7mm 168 gr ABLR 280 AI

JD338 · Mar 3, 2014

I shot three 7mm 168 gr ABLR's into water jugs and recovered them, all in the 5th jug.
Distance to jugs was 40 yds
Temperature was 13* F
Load was 60.0 grs RL 22 which produced a MV of 2936 fps 12' from the muzzle.

From L to R-
.501" 74.9 grs; .503" 73.5 grs; .490" 76.5 grs

Additional testing will be done at longer ranges once the snow melts. I am also going to shoot a couple from my T/C Contender 7x30 Waters at a much lower velocity to simulate extreme long range expansion and penetration.

JD338

SJB358 · Mar 3, 2014

Very nice Jim. Just under 50% is pretty good I'd think. Especially up close like that.

DrMike · Mar 3, 2014

That is pretty good performance, Jim. There appears to be a fair degree of consistency in performance from that lot, which you do want to see.

Guy Miner · Mar 3, 2014

Muzzle velocity hanging around 3000 fps or so?

The bullets look real good. Good work, getting out there in the cold and testing those for us!

Guy

EOD Diver · Mar 3, 2014

Way to be JD! I've got some loaded up and ready to go, I just have to get out to the range and get after it already.
Joe

nvbroncrider · Mar 4, 2014

Jim,

Looks just like the 175's. How close to a max load are you?

Jake

FOTIS · Mar 4, 2014

Awesome Jim! Love o see the the slower speed test.

JD338 · Mar 4, 2014

FOTIS":3cykmsd9 said:
Awesome Jim! Love o see the the slower speed test.

If you can run QL, I can shoot next weekend.

7x30 Waters
14" barrel (TC Contender)
150 gr ABLR
168 gr ABLR

I'm thinking IMR4895, RL 15, and Varget would be powders of interest.
I would like to get a MV of around 1800 fps.

JD338

DrMike · Mar 4, 2014

Code:

Cartridge          : 7 - 30 Waters
Bullet             : .284, 150, Nosler Accubond LR 58734 G7
Useable Case Capaci: 30.781 grain H2O = 1.999 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.550 inch = 64.77 mm
Barrel Length      : 14.0 inch = 355.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 49000 psi, or 337 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Accurate 2495                      102.6     28.5     1.85    2162    99.0    49000   10600   0.960  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064                      108.8     30.2     1.96    2161    97.0    49000   10814   0.954  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17                 110.0     32.7     2.12    2156    89.7    48306   11423   0.920  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2                       99.7     30.9     2.00    2153    93.2    49000   10788   0.927  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                      108.2     31.0     2.01    2152    92.8    49000   10826   0.933  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520                      100.3     30.0     1.94    2148    95.6    49000   10540   0.936  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895                           104.1     29.6     1.91    2148    91.6    49000   10803   0.930  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B                         105.5     29.9     1.94    2140    91.5    49000   10668   0.931  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15                 104.8     29.7     1.93    2135    90.6    49000   10613   0.932  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                     109.5     32.9     2.13    2128    83.5    49000   10738   0.920  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                       109.5     32.9     2.13    2128    83.5    49000   10738   0.920  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                       106.2     30.8     2.00    2116    88.3    49000   10430   0.934  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460                       94.9     29.0     1.88    2106    94.7    49000   10041   0.951  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 201                          102.0     28.3     1.83    2103    93.6    49000   10113   0.950  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550                    110.0     31.9     2.07    2088    86.5    44696   10686   0.961  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC                       106.7     30.7     1.99    2062    83.4    49000    9762   0.942  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2700                      106.2     31.4     2.04    2022    82.8    49000    9132   0.946  ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP                          110.0     30.9     2.00    2010    84.4    40693   10126   1.003
Norma 204                          110.0     32.2     2.09    2002    77.1    44300    9603   0.969  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter                     110.0     32.2     2.09    1996    80.5    41110    9997   1.000
Accurate 4350                      110.0     31.2     2.02    1991    83.6    38336   10188   1.031
IMR 4350                           110.0     31.0     2.01    1987    80.3    43233    9354   0.983  ! Near Maximum !

Code:

Cartridge          : 7 - 30 Waters
Bullet             : .284, 150, Nosler Accubond LR 58734 G7
Useable Case Capaci: 30.781 grain H2O = 1.999 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.550 inch = 64.77 mm
Barrel Length      : 14.0 inch = 355.6 mm
Powder             : IMR 4895

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   83    23.60   1684     944   25653   7847     78.7    1.236
-18.0   85    24.19   1728     994   27322   8156     80.2    1.205
-16.0   87    24.78   1773    1047   29103   8463     81.6    1.174
-14.0   89    25.37   1818    1101   31008   8768     83.0    1.143
-12.0   91    25.96   1864    1157   33044   9071     84.3    1.114
-10.0   94    26.55   1910    1214   35224   9370     85.7    1.085
-08.0   96    27.14   1956    1274   37559   9665     86.9    1.055
-06.0   98    27.73   2002    1336   40063   9954     88.2    1.023
-04.0  100    28.32   2049    1399   42747  10237     89.3    0.992  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  102    28.91   2097    1464   45631  10512     90.5    0.962  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  104    29.50   2144    1531   48722  10780     91.5    0.933  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0  106    30.09   2192    1600   52019  11038     92.5    0.905  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  108    30.68   2240    1671   55553  11286     93.5    0.878  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0  110    31.27   2288    1744   59355  11522     94.4    0.851  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0  112    31.86   2337    1819   63450  11746     95.3    0.826  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0  114    32.45   2386    1896   67869  11957     96.0    0.801  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    104    29.50   2277    1726   59112  11146     97.4    0.858  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    104    29.50   1982    1308   39095   9928     82.4    1.029

Code:

Cartridge          : 7 - 30 Waters
Bullet             : .284, 150, Nosler Accubond LR 58734 G7
Useable Case Capaci: 30.781 grain H2O = 1.999 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.550 inch = 64.77 mm
Barrel Length      : 14.0 inch = 355.6 mm
Powder             : Alliant Reloder-15

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   84    23.76   1672     932   25638   7689     77.6    1.239
-18.0   86    24.35   1717     981   27310   7992     79.1    1.207
-16.0   88    24.95   1761    1033   29096   8295     80.5    1.176
-14.0   90    25.54   1806    1087   31005   8596     81.9    1.145
-12.0   92    26.14   1852    1142   33050   8895     83.2    1.116
-10.0   94    26.73   1897    1199   35235   9192     84.6    1.086
-08.0   96    27.32   1943    1258   37582   9483     85.9    1.056
-06.0   98    27.92   1990    1319   40098   9771     87.1    1.024
-04.0  100    28.51   2037    1382   42797  10052     88.3    0.993  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  103    29.11   2084    1446   45695  10327     89.4    0.963  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  105    29.70   2131    1513   48785  10594     90.5    0.934  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0  107    30.29   2179    1582   52089  10853     91.6    0.906  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  109    30.89   2227    1652   55643  11102     92.6    0.878  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0  111    31.48   2276    1725   59469  11341     93.5    0.852  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0  113    32.08   2324    1799   63595  11568     94.4    0.826  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0  115    32.67   2373    1876   68051  11782     95.3    0.802  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    105    29.70   2264    1707   59034  11006     96.7    0.859  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    105    29.70   1970    1293   39210   9729     81.3    1.029

Code:

Cartridge          : 7 - 30 Waters
Bullet             : .284, 150, Nosler Accubond LR 58734 G7
Useable Case Capaci: 30.781 grain H2O = 1.999 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.550 inch = 64.77 mm
Barrel Length      : 14.0 inch = 355.6 mm
Powder             : Alliant Reloder-17

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   88    26.32   1652     909   24611   7797     72.4    1.243
-18.0   91    26.98   1698     961   26295   8179     74.3    1.209
-16.0   93    27.64   1746    1016   28109   8564     76.2    1.175
-14.0   95    28.29   1796    1074   30066   8950     78.1    1.142
-12.0   97    28.95   1846    1135   32178   9334     80.0    1.110
-10.0   99    29.61   1897    1199   34462   9716     81.8    1.078
-08.0  102    30.27   1950    1266   36936  10092     83.5    1.047
-06.0  104    30.93   2003    1337   39619  10461     85.3    1.012
-04.0  106    31.58   2058    1410   42535  10821     86.9    0.978  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  108    32.24   2113    1487   45712  11169     88.5    0.944  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  111    32.90   2169    1568   49179  11504     90.0    0.912  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0  113    33.56   2227    1651   52974  11822     91.5    0.880  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  115    34.22   2285    1739   57134  12122     92.8    0.850  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0  117    34.87   2344    1829   61718  12400     94.1    0.820  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0  119    35.53   2403    1923   66779  12655     95.2    0.791  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0  122    36.19   2464    2021   72387  12883     96.3    0.762  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    111    32.90   2335    1816   59336  12064     97.5    0.834  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    111    32.90   1971    1294   40249  10147     77.8    1.009

Code:

Cartridge          : 7 - 30 Waters
Bullet             : .284, 168, Nosler Accubond LR 58623 G7
Useable Case Capaci: 29.022 grain H2O = 1.884 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.550 inch = 64.77 mm
Barrel Length      : 14.0 inch = 355.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 49000 psi, or 337 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant Reloder-17                 109.3     30.7     1.99    2042    91.9    49000   10939   0.965  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064                      107.3     28.1     1.82    2025    98.0    49000   10100   1.010  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495                      101.1     26.5     1.72    2022    99.5    49000    9828   1.016  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2                       98.5     28.8     1.86    2019    94.5    49000   10173   0.982  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                      106.8     28.9     1.87    2019    94.2    49000   10206   0.989  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895                           102.8     27.5     1.78    2015    93.1    49000   10190   0.986  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520                       99.0     27.9     1.81    2013    96.8    49000    9877   0.992  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B                         104.2     27.9     1.81    2007    93.0    49000   10066   0.986  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                       108.4     30.7     1.99    2004    85.4    49000   10248   0.973  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                     108.4     30.7     1.99    2004    85.4    49000   10248   0.973  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15                 103.5     27.7     1.79    2002    92.2    49000   10022   0.987  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550                    110.0     30.1     1.95    1992    89.1    46538   10331   0.998  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                       105.0     28.7     1.86    1986    89.9    49000    9884   0.990  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460                       93.7     27.0     1.75    1973    95.9    49000    9421   1.007  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 201                          100.7     26.4     1.71    1970    94.9    49000    9510   1.006  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC                       105.5     28.6     1.85    1937    85.1    49000    9288   0.997  ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP                          110.0     29.1     1.89    1920    87.2    42315    9821   1.041
Norma 204                          110.0     30.4     1.97    1910    79.9    45924    9363   1.008  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter                     110.0     30.4     1.97    1907    83.5    42657    9744   1.038  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350                      110.0     29.4     1.91    1906    86.7    40142    9892   1.067
Accurate 2700                      105.0     29.3     1.90    1900    84.6    49000    8691   1.003  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350                           110.0     29.3     1.90    1893    83.0    44811    9074   1.023  ! Near Maximum !

Code:

Cartridge          : 7 - 30 Waters
Bullet             : .284, 168, Nosler Accubond LR 58623 G7
Useable Case Capaci: 29.022 grain H2O = 1.884 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.550 inch = 64.77 mm
Barrel Length      : 14.0 inch = 355.6 mm
Powder             : Alliant Reloder-17

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   88    24.56   1565     913   24832   7592     75.5    1.310
-18.0   90    25.17   1609     965   26515   7948     77.3    1.274
-16.0   92    25.79   1654    1020   28325   8304     79.2    1.239
-14.0   94    26.40   1700    1078   30274   8659     80.9    1.204
-12.0   96    27.02   1747    1138   32374   9010     82.7    1.170
-10.0   98    27.63   1794    1201   34643   9357     84.4    1.137
-08.0  101    28.24   1843    1267   37094   9697     86.1    1.104
-06.0  103    28.86   1892    1335   39749  10028     87.6    1.067
-04.0  105    29.47   1942    1407   42629  10350     89.2    1.032  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  107    30.09   1993    1482   45759  10658     90.6    0.998  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  109    30.70   2044    1559   49169  10953     92.0    0.964  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0  112    31.31   2097    1640   52891  11231     93.3    0.931  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  114    31.93   2149    1723   56964  11490     94.4    0.900  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0  116    32.54   2203    1810   61436  11729     95.5    0.869  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0  118    33.16   2257    1900   66356  11944     96.5    0.839  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0  120    33.77   2311    1992   71797  12134     97.4    0.810  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    109    30.70   2193    1794   59353  11318     98.4    0.882  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    109    30.70   1863    1294   40226   9807     80.5    1.066

FOTIS · Mar 4, 2014

Guy Miner":24p332lb said:
Muzzle velocity hanging around 3000 fps or so?

The bullets look real good. Good work, getting out there in the cold and testing those for us!

Guy

2936 fps

su35 · Mar 4, 2014

Forget water jugs......

Here's the results of a 7mm 175 LRAB from an elk killed at just a little over 100 yds.

65 grains.....MV of 3,000

DrMike · Mar 4, 2014

That obviously worked well; at least the elk would have thought so. Great picture.

JD338 · Mar 4, 2014

su35":1sqlkg7n said:
Forget water jugs......

Here's the results of a 7mm 175 LRAB from an elk killed at just a little over 100 yds.

65 grains.....MV of 3,000

Nicely done Bob!
Can you give us the details?

JD338

su35 · Mar 4, 2014

Dec, 2013, I was lining up on a 4pt bull for a 700 yd shot, the bull was moving and in and out of some trees when a group of cows came out of now where. I went for the meat (I love to eat elk) and shot the lead cow, she was large.

I shot her with a Rem 700 7mm Wby at just a little over 100 yds. Hit her in the thickest part of her shoulder and dumped her hard. No follow up shot needed. I found the bullet on the opposite hide.

I'm eating probably the tastiest elk I've ever had. :grin:

JD338 · Mar 4, 2014

Awesome job on the elk, way to go Bob.

BTW, the LSS stock I bought from you a few years back is working well on my 280 AI.

JD338

SJB358 · Mar 4, 2014

Very nice. That 175 looks pretty danged good. Sounds like good penetration too

Elkman · Mar 6, 2014

Nice!

I have a couple hundred of those I am trying in my STW. I am now waiting for sme decent weather .

JD338 · Mar 10, 2014

Here is the simulated long range test.
168 gr ABLR loaded in a 7x30 Waters with 25.0 grs RL 15 for a MV of 1674 fps from the 14" T/C Contender. This represents what my 280 AI loaded at 2950 fps would do at around 1000 yds which is 1675 fps.
The first shot at 30 yds went through 6 jugs and was lost in the snow bank. I found the front nose of the bullet laying on the board, rather interesting.
The second shot was recovered in the 7th jug. It expanded to .449" and weighs 100.7 grs.

JD338

SJB358 · Mar 10, 2014

I think we have a winner. Looks real good to me. Pretty impressive. Be good to run one into an elk.

DrMike · Mar 10, 2014

That does look as if it will perform adequately even at long distance. Pretty much does what it is supposed to do.

7mm 168 gr ABLR 280 AI

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