257 Roberts +P Quickload Request

D21ALASKA

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Oct 29, 2013
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Hey guys. As usual I've been lurking and not posting for quite a while. I was hoping someone may be able to run some numbers for me on a new to me rifle I'm working a load up for. It's a sweet little Venezuelan Mauser I picked up for a song and will be my go to for the mountains if I can get a good load figured out.

Mauser action
20" barrel
115 gr. BT's
Federal GM210M primers
Nosler 257+P brass

Specifically I'm looking to see what it says as a load with RL22 as there's nothing in the book for it with the BT's.
The short barrel is obviously not giving me book speeds but I'm over MAX with IMR4350 right now. No pressure signs, though I don't really want to push it any further. I've got good nodes from 40 to 40.4 grains giving me 2572/2574/2580 fps at .2 increments. And another 11fps spread, 2619-2630, at 41.2 to 41.6 grains.
I'm fine with the ballistics at either of those speeds, there's not a big enough difference between the two and I'll stick with the 40.2 load for that but I've heard good things with the RL22 and want to see what it gives me.
Thanks as always fellas.

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Bruce Mc

Handloader
Oct 26, 2005
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Re 22 is a great powder for "bob". You will likely get close to 2900 fps with the shorter barrel. My 24" barrel exceeds 3000 fps. Hopefully someone will post the quick load.
 

DrMike

Ballistician
Nov 8, 2006
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Code:
Cartridge          : .257 Roberts +P+ (not SAAMI)
Bullet             : .257, 115, Nosler BalTip 25115
Useable Case Capaci: 47.503 grain H2O = 3.084 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.775 inch = 70.49 mm
Barrel Length      : 20.0 inch = 508.0 mm
Powder             : Alliant Reloder-22

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   97    43.02   2573    1691   39993  12241     89.6    1.228
-09.0   98    43.50   2606    1735   41408  12428     90.3    1.208
-08.0   99    43.98   2640    1779   42880  12610     91.0    1.187
-07.0  100    44.45   2673    1824   44410  12789     91.6    1.167
-06.0  102    44.93   2706    1870   46000  12965     92.3    1.148
-05.0  103    45.41   2740    1917   47655  13136     92.9    1.129
-04.0  104    45.89   2773    1964   49376  13302     93.5    1.110  ! Near Maximum !
-03.0  105    46.37   2807    2012   51167  13464     94.1    1.092  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  106    46.84   2841    2061   53032  13621     94.6    1.073  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0  107    47.32   2875    2111   54975  13773     95.1    1.055  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  108    47.80   2909    2161   56998  13919     95.6    1.038  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0  109    48.28   2943    2212   59109  14060     96.1    1.020  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0  110    48.76   2977    2263   61309  14195     96.6    1.003  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0  111    49.23   3011    2316   63606  14323     97.0    0.987  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  112    49.71   3046    2369   66002  14445     97.4    0.970  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  113    50.19   3080    2423   68504  14561     97.8    0.954  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    108    47.80   3084    2428   70152  14013     99.6    0.950  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    108    47.80   2684    1840   45671  13007     87.0    1.148

Other options:

Code:
Cartridge          : .257 Roberts +P+ (not SAAMI)
Bullet             : .257, 115, Nosler BalTip 25115
Useable Case Capaci: 47.503 grain H2O = 3.084 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.775 inch = 70.49 mm
Barrel Length      : 20.0 inch = 508.0 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 57250 psi, or 394 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 112 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

7 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant Reloder-26                 105.8     49.8     3.23    2987    99.3    57250   14650   1.032  ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP                          106.2     48.5     3.15    2948    97.2    57250   14369   1.033  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 60                   96.1     44.2     2.86    2943   100.0    57250   13127   1.028  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 70                  102.3     47.7     3.09    2926    97.6    57250   13944   1.026  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560                    107.8     48.2     3.12    2923    93.3    57250   14260   1.032  ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17                            95.2     43.7     2.83    2921   100.0    57250   13044   1.034  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17                  95.2     43.7     2.83    2921   100.0    57250   13044   1.034  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-23                 111.1     47.6     3.08    2917    99.9    57250   13186   1.037  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation       108.1     47.9     3.10    2913    95.7    57250   13937   1.036  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22                 108.1     47.9     3.10    2913    95.7    57250   13937   1.036  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15                       108.1     47.9     3.10    2913    95.7    57250   13937   1.036  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR                     111.0     48.1     3.12    2911    95.5    57250   13933   1.036  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP15                        111.0     48.1     3.12    2911    95.5    57250   13933   1.036  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO                    108.2     50.4     3.26    2911    91.4    57250   14214   1.036  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12                  110.2     51.5     3.34    2905    94.1    57250   14035   1.026  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517                110.3     51.6     3.34    2905    94.0    57250   14044   1.026  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828                           112.0     47.7     3.09    2901    93.7    57250   13799   1.026  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC                       105.9     47.7     3.09    2901    93.7    57250   13799   1.026  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365                       102.1     44.5     2.88    2897   100.0    57250   12491   1.045  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-16                 101.8     43.4     2.81    2895    99.8    57250   12888   1.044  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 62                   98.7     45.3     2.93    2886    99.2    57250   13086   1.052  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213                        106.7     47.2     3.06    2884    93.5    57250   13599   1.026  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum                     107.5     51.3     3.32    2882    96.1    57250   13383   1.029  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 518                100.6     45.5     2.95    2878    97.8    57250   13155   1.041  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511                 96.6     45.0     2.92    2876    98.1    57250   13101   1.042  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25                 112.0     48.8     3.16    2876    98.2    53207   13894   1.064  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter                      99.8     45.1     2.92    2875    98.1    57250   13082   1.042  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905                      109.1     47.4     3.07    2872    93.3    57250   13369   1.037  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                      94.1     43.6     2.83    2868    97.4    57250   13042   1.045  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                        94.1     43.6     2.83    2868    97.4    57250   13042   1.045  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19                 104.2     45.7     2.96    2868    95.6    57250   13200   1.036  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209                        103.5     45.1     2.92    2866    95.4    57250   13092   1.030  ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP                           99.2     43.0     2.79    2862    99.3    57250   12696   1.048  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation          99.3     43.0     2.79    2862    99.3    57250   12693   1.048  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation         105.0     46.0     2.98    2862    95.5    57250   13101   1.037  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 2214                        110.6     50.3     3.26    2861    93.3    57250   13409   1.026  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350                       98.7     43.2     2.80    2860    99.3    57250   12737   1.065  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550                     96.3     43.1     2.79    2859    99.2    57250   12800   1.054  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831                           104.2     43.7     2.83    2847    99.4    57250   12467   1.056  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204                           98.7     44.7     2.89    2844    95.3    57250   12820   1.037  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4                        102.0     44.7     2.89    2844    95.3    57250   12820   1.037  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation          102.0     44.7     2.89    2844    95.3    57250   12820   1.037  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation       110.2     49.2     3.19    2841    90.7    57250   13152   1.031  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385                       104.6     46.3     3.00    2838    96.7    57250   12760   1.055  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                102.0     43.2     2.80    2836   100.0    57250   11838   1.045  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100                      108.2     47.4     3.07    2835    98.1    57250   12622   1.066  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831                      109.5     46.6     3.02    2833    92.9    57250   12782   1.034  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC                   105.3     46.6     3.02    2833    92.9    57250   12782   1.034  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation        99.5     44.2     2.87    2828    97.0    57250   12529   1.050  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165                    110.0     47.7     3.09    2823    96.2    57250   12415   1.043  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780             102.8     47.5     3.08    2823    95.3    57250   12515   1.039  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3                          91.8     40.6     2.63    2818   100.0    57250   11863   1.069  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                       91.8     40.6     2.63    2818   100.0    57250   11863   1.069  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                        91.3     40.9     2.65    2816    99.0    57250   12168   1.059  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903                       93.9     40.7     2.64    2813   100.0    57250   11786   1.069  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070                          98.6     42.7     2.77    2812    97.5    57250   12346   1.060  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904                      102.6     44.3     2.87    2809    94.1    57250   12393   1.041  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355                        93.9     40.2     2.61    2807    99.9    57250   11745   1.063  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4955 Enduron                   106.1     45.2     2.93    2797    93.3    57250   12351   1.041  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065                          97.3     41.7     2.70    2795    98.4    57250   11965   1.060  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160                    109.5     46.0     2.98    2794    93.9    57250   12167   1.043  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7                          96.0     41.3     2.68    2789    96.7    57250   12033   1.055  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907                       96.0     41.3     2.68    2789    96.7    57250   12033   1.055  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC                        93.0     41.3     2.68    2788    96.7    57250   12024   1.055  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064                       91.3     39.1     2.53    2786   100.0    57250   11117   1.090  ! Near Maximum !
 

D21ALASKA

Beginner
Oct 29, 2013
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Thank you as always Doc. Looks like I'll start about 45.5 and creep up from there.

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D21ALASKA

Beginner
Oct 29, 2013
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Big shout out to Doc for this one. Looks like this load should do just fine.
Super stoked with this rifle. With the super long throat and mag on it I'm able to load a full .2" over listed MAX COAL. I had Doc run the #'s for me again in a PM with the new length to verify the no pressure signs the brass was giving me at this high of a charge. All good.
Obviously need to zero her in but that may be the best group I've ever shot in my life. Caribou season can't come soon enough.

.257 Roberts+P
Mauser action
20" barrel
115 BT's
48.5 gr. RL22
2963 fps. avg.
11 fps. ES
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DrMike

Ballistician
Nov 8, 2006
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Oh, yeah, that'll do. Fine riflery and a good load. I may need to dig out my Bob and see if I can't improve what I'm now getting.
 

JD338

Range Officer
Staff member
Nov 4, 2004
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RL22 and the 115 gr BT shoots lights out in a M700 Classic. This is a long action so I can seat the bullets long.

JD338
 

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D21ALASKA

Beginner
Oct 29, 2013
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Nice shooting JD. I'm definitely happy with the results of that combo on this end.

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SJB358

Ballistician
Dec 24, 2006
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Great shooting 257’s. Looks like they’re hammering with the 115 Ballistic Tips.
 

Guy Miner

Master Loader
Apr 6, 2006
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Excellent! Great accuracy and velocity.

I think you'll be pleased with the results on game too.

Regards, Guy
 

ShadeTree

Handloader
Mar 6, 2017
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Have to echo what Guy posted above. Pretty impressive out of a 20" barrel for sure. Great looking round all loaded up for business.

JD, good shooting. The Classic's are nice rifles. You gotta be pleased with that combination.
 

Silent Sam

Handloader
Dec 22, 2010
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That is a powerful, flat shooting load out of a short barrel. Maybe I'll have to try RL22 in my Ruger UL...
 
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