E-Tips or TTSX?

preacher

Handloader
Aug 19, 2012
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37
I'm interested in either one of these for my 7mm Express ( .280) I can get the 150 ABLR/154 SST to 2900 with R22 and the Speer 145BT to 2950 with IMR 4350. I get the 168 ABLR(R22) and my most accurate 160PT(imr 4350) to 2750... Since it seems to provide better speed with the 150's or so, I'd like to have a good load with either just for elk. I have a lot of experience with Barnes and I have always had good results with the TSX/TTSX. I like the looks of it but I see the Etip has no relief grooves. Is it a "sticky" bullet like the older Barnes X or Scirocco? I am after all the weight I can shoot the fastest, but I'm afraid to try the 160 TSX because of this rifes history. Now, that 168 ABLR is a flat shooter even at 2750, but I'm not sure it would work for a hard angling shot on elk or break shoulders up close. Am I overthinking this one? My main elk rifle is my Whelen AI, but its good to have a spare. Long way around to ask if the E Tips are as easy to get to shoot fast/well as the TSX/TTSX? Thanks. BTW, I saw a Kimber Montana at the LGS in .280 Ackley! OMG...my brain is pondering "any" excuse/reason to trade up, lol.
 

DrMike

Ballistician
Nov 8, 2006
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In my experience, the E-Tip works as well or better than the TSX. I have taken several head of game with E-Tip bullets; they have performed quite well for me.
 

Gunner46

Handloader
Jan 12, 2015
483
2
I took the advice of several friends far more 'Elk' experienced than I, and went with the 140 AB. No regrets. You should be able to break the 3K barrier without too much fuss. And Yes, it will hold up, and it will penetrate.
 

6mm Remington

Ammo Smith
Feb 27, 2006
5,096
84
I have no experience with the TTSX but quite a bit with the 90 gr. E-tip in my son's 6mm Remington. They penetrate extremely well and keep a high proportion of their weight. On game and in water jug tests they have been pretty impressive.

Now if you go with the Accubonds I'm sure you will be very satisfied with them also as they really have held together and penetrated very well also. Anything from the 140 to 160 weights you have been shooting will all work. I foolishly sold my .280 Remington several years ago, but it was not because it was not a fabulous cartridge. That thing is pretty darn fantastic in my opinion and one of the best all around cartridges out there. I shot several elk, deer, and antelope with it and it always works. I used 140 gr. Partitions in mine. Find one that your rifle really likes and go hunting.

David
 

efw

Handloader
Jan 17, 2011
617
0
When they were initially released I thought they & the GMX would be too hard due to their harder material compared to the solid copper of the Barnes. The reports I've seen from credible sources suggest that hasn't been the case, so as with any compare/contrast exercise with two good choice, I'd let the rifle decide.

139 GMX, 140 TTSX, 145 LRX, 150 TTSX, or 150 ETip would all be on the docket if I were you.
 

Vince

Handloader
May 26, 2012
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Being that the GMX needs a faster velocity than the TSX or TTSX I'd look elsewhere. I don't know enough about the E Tip to have an opinion but I've sworn off the GMX and swear by the TSX and TTSX.

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preacher

Handloader
Aug 19, 2012
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37
Thanks guys, saw some Barnes 145 LRTTSX this afternoon. May give them a try later.
 

Wincheringen

Handloader
Jan 10, 2012
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I haven't worked with the TTSX, but the 150 E Tips are really accurate in my 280 with RL22. I had no issues going up to 56.0 grains, which is the max load in Nosler 7.
 

DrMike

Ballistician
Nov 8, 2006
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The 130 E-Tip is my standard hunting load in the 270 WSM. It has accounted for several moose, elk, mule deer and whitetail deer so far. All died pretty dramatically and convincingly.
 

preacher

Handloader
Aug 19, 2012
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I decided to just stick with the loads I have for now. Just the other day I got into another deal, my smith is going to screw a factory 26" 7mm Rem mag barrel into a Mod 700 standard ( that he converted to magnum bolt face via opening the bolt face and set it up with an M16 extractor, ala Sako style) it should get those 150/168 ABLRs and the 160 Partition where I want speedwise. I don't/haven't taken an unwounded animal past 370 or so, though I know where my rifles hit out to 500 in case I wound something. My normal/average range out here ( Utah/WY) is around 250 and I like how hard the magnums hit critters, no doubt. I haven't had a magnum for about 2 yrs ( sold a custom 7mm RUM, try finding brass for it now!) I think I will experiment with the 150 Etip in this 7 mag. I'm thinking 3200 or close with 150 anythings out of a 26" should be doable. Only 7 Remags I've had over the years were all (3) 24" Mod 700s. I'm itching to see how a 26 does. My 7 Rum had a 25" bbl, it could have used more really. The 2 7mm STWS had 26" barrels ( another hard to find case now too!) I like being able to use factory loads too, and the 7 Rem Mag is all over the place out here, heck, always has been! Thanks guys.
 

SJB358

Ballistician
Dec 24, 2006
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I think you'll do really well with the 150 ET's. I would think you'd get 3200 pretty easily, or at least danged close..

Cartridge : 7 mm Rem. Mag.(SAAMI)
Bullet : .284, 150, Nosler E-Tip 59426
Useable Case Capaci: 72.855 grain H2O = 4.730 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 63000 psi, or 434 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

19 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Vihtavuori N570 110.0 77.9 5.05 3304 96.8 62502 14145 1.188 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-33 110.0 81.2 5.26 3278 97.0 61959 13929 1.194 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 2 109.3 73.4 4.76 3248 99.7 63000 12808 1.199 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP30 109.3 73.4 4.76 3248 99.7 63000 12808 1.199 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517 103.8 74.4 4.82 3244 99.7 63000 12564 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12 103.6 74.3 4.81 3243 99.7 63000 12538 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 101.0 69.3 4.49 3242 99.1 63000 12828 1.190 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 99.1 69.5 4.50 3241 100.0 63000 12380 1.196 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25 107.1 71.5 4.64 3241 100.0 63000 11893 1.186 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 101.2 72.3 4.68 3233 98.2 63000 12933 1.197 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 105.5 68.8 4.46 3232 99.4 63000 12412 1.179 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 99.8 68.8 4.46 3232 99.4 63000 12412 1.179 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213 100.8 68.5 4.44 3218 99.3 63000 12317 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 101.2 68.7 4.45 3214 99.9 63000 12275 1.196 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 101.2 68.7 4.45 3214 99.9 63000 12275 1.196 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15 101.2 68.7 4.45 3214 99.9 63000 12275 1.196 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR 103.9 69.1 4.47 3213 99.8 63000 12295 1.197 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP15 103.9 69.1 4.47 3213 99.8 63000 12295 1.197 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 2214 104.7 73.0 4.73 3213 99.6 63000 12130 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 70 92.8 66.4 4.30 3209 100.0 63000 11522 1.186 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H1000 110.0 73.1 4.74 3208 99.6 62877 12091 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2217 110.0 73.1 4.74 3208 99.6 62877 12091 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum 101.0 73.9 4.79 3193 100.0 63000 11681 1.191 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation 104.5 71.5 4.63 3183 98.0 63000 12210 1.181 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905 102.5 68.3 4.43 3183 99.1 63000 12045 1.196 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 80 110.0 80.1 5.19 3176 96.3 55816 13607 1.249 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 97.7 65.3 4.23 3173 99.8 63000 11667 1.185 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 98.2 66.0 4.27 3170 99.8 63000 11724 1.192 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 98.9 66.5 4.31 3164 99.8 63000 11643 1.193 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2218 110.0 78.7 5.10 3161 94.7 55374 13926 1.242 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511 90.8 64.9 4.21 3159 100.0 63000 11265 1.199 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 93.8 65.0 4.21 3158 100.0 63000 11250 1.200 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2225 110.0 74.3 4.81 3156 100.0 55056 12426 1.253
Hodgdon Retumbo 110.0 74.3 4.81 3156 100.0 55056 12426 1.253
Hodgdon H4831 SC 99.5 67.5 4.38 3148 98.9 63000 11640 1.190 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 103.5 67.5 4.38 3148 98.9 63000 11640 1.190 ! Near Maximum !


Cartridge : 7 mm Rem. Mag.(SAAMI)
Bullet : .284, 150, Nosler E-Tip 59426
Useable Case Capaci: 72.855 grain H2O = 4.730 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-22

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 81 55.20 2580 2218 32364 10042 92.6 1.612
-18.0 83 56.58 2646 2331 34642 10346 93.8 1.569
-16.0 85 57.96 2711 2448 37085 10637 94.9 1.527
-14.0 87 59.34 2776 2567 39706 10912 96.0 1.479
-12.0 89 60.72 2841 2689 42521 11171 96.9 1.432
-10.0 91 62.10 2906 2813 45530 11412 97.7 1.387
-08.0 94 63.48 2971 2940 48722 11633 98.3 1.345
-06.0 96 64.86 3036 3069 52130 11834 98.9 1.304
-04.0 98 66.24 3100 3200 55777 12012 99.4 1.264 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 100 67.62 3164 3334 59682 12168 99.7 1.226 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 102 69.00 3227 3468 63866 12299 99.9 1.189 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 104 70.38 3290 3605 68353 12405 100.0 1.153 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 106 71.76 3352 3742 73169 12491 100.0 1.119 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 108 73.14 3414 3882 78345 12571 100.0 1.086 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 110 74.52 3475 4022 83915 12647 100.0 1.054 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 112 75.90 3536 4164 89917 12719 100.0 1.024 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 102 69.00 3359 3758 77047 11824 100.0 1.100 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 102 69.00 3033 3065 51018 12300 96.1 1.308


Cartridge : 7 mm Rem. Mag.(SAAMI)
Bullet : .284, 150, Nosler E-Tip 59426
Useable Case Capaci: 72.855 grain H2O = 4.730 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-25

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 86 57.20 2589 2233 31314 10264 96.3 1.620
-18.0 88 58.63 2656 2350 33533 10539 97.3 1.576
-16.0 90 60.06 2723 2470 35916 10789 98.2 1.533
-14.0 92 61.49 2790 2592 38476 11013 98.9 1.487
-12.0 94 62.92 2856 2716 41229 11209 99.4 1.439
-10.0 96 64.35 2921 2843 44195 11374 99.8 1.393
-08.0 98 65.78 2987 2971 47382 11508 100.0 1.349
-06.0 101 67.21 3051 3100 50828 11613 100.0 1.306
-04.0 103 68.64 3114 3231 54544 11710 100.0 1.265
-02.0 105 70.07 3177 3363 58557 11803 100.0 1.225 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 107 71.50 3240 3496 62902 11891 100.0 1.187 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 109 72.93 3301 3630 67606 11976 100.0 1.150 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 111 74.36 3363 3766 72711 12056 100.0 1.115 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 113 75.79 3423 3904 78259 12132 100.0 1.081 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 116 77.22 3484 4043 84293 12202 100.0 1.048 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 118 78.65 3544 4184 90828 12268 100.0 1.016 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 107 71.50 3361 3762 77779 11440 100.0 1.095 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 107 71.50 3052 3102 50056 12389 99.1 1.309


Cartridge : 7 mm Rem. Mag.(SAAMI)
Bullet : .284, 150, Nosler E-Tip 59426
Useable Case Capaci: 72.855 grain H2O = 4.730 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H1000

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 88 58.40 2494 2073 30201 9577 88.7 1.638
-18.0 90 59.86 2564 2189 32405 9918 90.3 1.591
-16.0 92 61.32 2634 2310 34784 10246 91.9 1.546
-14.0 95 62.78 2704 2435 37354 10557 93.3 1.501
-12.0 97 64.24 2775 2565 40134 10849 94.6 1.450
-10.0 99 65.70 2846 2698 43146 11120 95.7 1.401
-08.0 101 67.16 2918 2835 46413 11368 96.8 1.353
-06.0 103 68.62 2989 2976 49963 11591 97.7 1.308
-04.0 106 70.08 3061 3121 53823 11786 98.5 1.263
-02.0 108 71.54 3133 3269 58034 11951 99.1 1.220 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 110 73.00 3204 3420 62635 12085 99.5 1.179 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 112 74.46 3276 3574 67671 12186 99.8 1.139 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 114 75.92 3347 3731 73199 12252 100.0 1.100 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 116 77.38 3418 3890 79283 12286 100.0 1.063 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 119 78.84 3488 4052 85996 12311 100.0 1.026 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 121 80.30 3558 4217 93431 12328 100.0 0.991 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 110 73.00 3358 3756 76646 11567 100.0 1.086 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 110 73.00 2982 2962 50583 11889 94.0 1.299


Cartridge : 7 mm Rem. Mag.(SAAMI)
Bullet : .284, 150, Nosler E-Tip 59426
Useable Case Capaci: 72.855 grain H2O = 4.730 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : IMR 7828 SSC

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 80 55.20 2567 2195 31983 9943 90.1 1.601
-18.0 82 56.58 2634 2311 34227 10269 91.5 1.558
-16.0 84 57.96 2701 2431 36624 10583 92.8 1.516
-14.0 86 59.34 2769 2554 39195 10882 94.0 1.469
-12.0 88 60.72 2836 2680 41954 11164 95.1 1.422
-10.0 90 62.10 2904 2809 44920 11429 96.2 1.377
-08.0 92 63.48 2971 2941 48108 11674 97.0 1.334
-06.0 94 64.86 3039 3076 51538 11898 97.8 1.292
-04.0 96 66.24 3106 3213 55234 12099 98.5 1.252
-02.0 98 67.62 3173 3353 59220 12276 99.0 1.213 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 100 69.00 3240 3496 63525 12428 99.5 1.175 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 102 70.38 3306 3640 68176 12553 99.8 1.139 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 104 71.76 3372 3787 73219 12650 99.9 1.104 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 106 73.14 3437 3935 78687 12718 100.0 1.070 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 108 74.52 3502 4086 84621 12771 100.0 1.037 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 110 75.90 3567 4238 91042 12818 100.0 1.006 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 100 69.00 3385 3815 77313 11943 100.0 1.086 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 100 69.00 3032 3062 51277 12253 94.3 1.291
 

preacher

Handloader
Aug 19, 2012
2,068
37
Thanks Pard! I'm thinking a 150 ETip will shoot through just about anything!
 

6mm Remington

Ammo Smith
Feb 27, 2006
5,096
84
I really am impressed with the E-tip. My son has taken several antelope, deer, and a large cow with his 6mm Remington and the 90 gr. E-tip. On his cow she was broadside at 350 yards and he put it tight behind her right shoulder and it went through and exited out the center of her left shoulder. She only went 25 yards and tipped over. Expansion even at long distances has been good. The E-tip in this pictures does not look like it expanded much, but if you look at it from the top, it has. These were all out of the 6mm Remington at 400 yards. 100 gr. Partition 3140 fps, 90 gr. AccuBond 3200+, and the 90 gr. E-tip 3300 fps. Shot into water jugs.





 
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