QL Request and/or Pet Loads for ETIP

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sithlord6512

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Hi There,
I'm hoping to develop a 168 g Etip load for my new .300WSM Sako 85. Could somebody please run a Quickload for me. The powders I have on hand are N550, N560, IMR4831, RL17, H4350, and IMR4350. Alternatively, has anyone found a pet load (with velocities) I can try using the 168 g Etips (for any powder). Thanks.
 
Cartridge : .300 WSM (CIP)
Bullet : .308, 168, Nosler E-Tip 59415
Useable Case Capaci: 69.745 grain H2O = 4.528 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.860 inch = 72.64 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Vihtavuori N550

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 79 52.00 2498 2327 33365 8773 94.8 1.502
-18.0 81 53.30 2557 2440 35605 9012 95.8 1.462
-16.0 83 54.60 2617 2554 37990 9240 96.7 1.421
-14.0 85 55.90 2676 2671 40527 9455 97.4 1.379
-12.0 87 57.20 2735 2790 43227 9656 98.1 1.337
-10.0 89 58.50 2793 2911 46100 9843 98.7 1.297
-08.0 91 59.80 2852 3034 49158 10014 99.1 1.260
-06.0 93 61.10 2910 3158 52415 10169 99.5 1.223
-04.0 95 62.40 2967 3284 55883 10307 99.8 1.188 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 97 63.70 3024 3411 59581 10427 99.9 1.154 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 99 65.00 3080 3539 63524 10529 100.0 1.122 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 101 66.30 3136 3669 67733 10618 100.0 1.090 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 103 67.60 3192 3800 72230 10703 100.0 1.060 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 105 68.90 3247 3932 77037 10786 100.0 1.031 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 107 70.20 3301 4065 82184 10865 100.0 1.003 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 109 71.50 3355 4200 87700 10940 100.0 0.976 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 99 65.00 3190 3797 75615 10142 100.0 1.044 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 99 65.00 2916 3173 51630 10667 97.4 1.226

Cartridge : .300 WSM (CIP)
Bullet : .308, 168, Nosler E-Tip 59415
Useable Case Capaci: 69.745 grain H2O = 4.528 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.860 inch = 72.64 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Vihtavuori N560

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 88 57.60 2451 2241 30510 9088 83.5 1.527
-18.0 90 59.04 2518 2366 32701 9431 85.1 1.484
-16.0 92 60.48 2587 2496 35057 9767 86.7 1.443
-14.0 94 61.92 2655 2630 37598 10094 88.2 1.401
-12.0 96 63.36 2724 2769 40339 10411 89.7 1.354
-10.0 99 64.80 2794 2912 43298 10715 91.1 1.309
-08.0 101 66.24 2864 3060 46497 11006 92.4 1.266
-06.0 103 67.68 2934 3212 49962 11282 93.6 1.225
-04.0 105 69.12 3005 3369 53719 11540 94.7 1.185
-02.0 107 70.56 3076 3530 57797 11780 95.7 1.146 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 110 72.00 3147 3695 62235 12000 96.6 1.108 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 112 73.44 3219 3864 67069 12197 97.4 1.072 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 114 74.88 3290 4038 72349 12371 98.1 1.037 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 116 76.32 3362 4215 78128 12520 98.7 1.003 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 118 77.76 3433 4397 84458 12642 99.2 0.970 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 121 79.20 3505 4582 91441 12735 99.6 0.938 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 110 72.00 3323 4119 76480 11914 99.9 1.019 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 110 72.00 2916 3171 49970 11378 88.7 1.223

Cartridge : .300 WSM (CIP)
Bullet : .308, 168, Nosler E-Tip 59415
Useable Case Capaci: 69.745 grain H2O = 4.528 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.860 inch = 72.64 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : IMR 4831

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 84 52.00 2444 2227 31530 8461 94.5 1.539
-18.0 87 53.30 2503 2337 33693 8693 95.5 1.498
-16.0 89 54.60 2562 2449 35996 8913 96.4 1.458
-14.0 91 55.90 2622 2564 38452 9119 97.2 1.416
-12.0 93 57.20 2681 2680 41071 9311 97.9 1.373
-10.0 95 58.50 2739 2799 43866 9488 98.6 1.331
-08.0 97 59.80 2797 2919 46849 9649 99.1 1.292
-06.0 99 61.10 2855 3041 50033 9793 99.5 1.253
-04.0 101 62.40 2913 3165 53434 9919 99.7 1.216
-02.0 103 63.70 2970 3290 57069 10026 99.9 1.181 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 106 65.00 3026 3417 60956 10115 100.0 1.146 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 108 66.30 3082 3544 65116 10189 100.0 1.113 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 110 67.60 3138 3673 69574 10259 100.0 1.082 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 112 68.90 3193 3803 74354 10326 100.0 1.051 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 114 70.20 3247 3934 79488 10390 100.0 1.021 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 116 71.50 3302 4066 85007 10449 100.0 0.993 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 106 65.00 3139 3675 73254 9697 100.0 1.064 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 106 65.00 2858 3046 48934 10274 97.2 1.258

Cartridge : .300 WSM (CIP)
Bullet : .308, 168, Nosler E-Tip 59415
Useable Case Capaci: 69.745 grain H2O = 4.528 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.860 inch = 72.64 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : IMR 4350

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 81 52.00 2441 2223 33261 8152 90.7 1.493
-18.0 83 53.30 2499 2330 35473 8399 91.9 1.453
-16.0 85 54.60 2557 2439 37825 8639 92.9 1.412
-14.0 87 55.90 2615 2551 40311 8869 93.9 1.372
-12.0 89 57.20 2673 2665 42935 9091 94.9 1.332
-10.0 91 58.50 2731 2782 45724 9302 95.7 1.293
-08.0 94 59.80 2789 2901 48693 9503 96.5 1.256
-06.0 96 61.10 2846 3022 51854 9692 97.2 1.220
-04.0 98 62.40 2904 3145 55223 9868 97.9 1.186 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 100 63.70 2961 3270 58814 10031 98.4 1.153 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 102 65.00 3018 3398 62646 10180 98.9 1.121 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 104 66.30 3075 3527 66737 10314 99.3 1.090 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 106 67.60 3131 3657 71110 10433 99.6 1.060 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 108 68.90 3187 3790 75788 10535 99.8 1.032 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 110 70.20 3243 3924 80800 10621 99.9 1.004 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 112 71.50 3299 4059 86174 10689 100.0 0.977 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 102 65.00 3138 3674 73622 9910 100.0 1.047 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 102 65.00 2852 3035 51861 9985 93.9 1.217

Cartridge : .300 WSM (CIP)
Bullet : .308, 168, Nosler E-Tip 59415
Useable Case Capaci: 69.745 grain H2O = 4.528 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.860 inch = 72.64 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 75 50.40 2504 2339 33017 8624 96.1 1.470
-18.0 77 51.66 2562 2449 35154 8850 96.9 1.435
-16.0 78 52.92 2620 2560 37425 9062 97.7 1.400
-14.0 80 54.18 2677 2674 39837 9259 98.4 1.358
-12.0 82 55.44 2735 2789 42401 9442 98.9 1.319
-10.0 84 56.70 2791 2906 45129 9608 99.3 1.281
-08.0 86 57.96 2848 3025 48032 9757 99.7 1.245
-06.0 88 59.22 2903 3145 51120 9888 99.9 1.211
-04.0 90 60.48 2959 3266 54410 10000 100.0 1.177
-02.0 92 61.74 3014 3388 57917 10096 100.0 1.145 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 93 63.00 3068 3510 61657 10188 100.0 1.114 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 95 64.26 3121 3634 65650 10277 100.0 1.084 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 97 65.52 3174 3759 69917 10363 100.0 1.055 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 99 66.78 3227 3885 74480 10446 100.0 1.027 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 101 68.04 3279 4012 79364 10526 100.0 1.000 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 103 69.30 3331 4140 84599 10602 100.0 0.974 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 93 63.00 3169 3746 73458 9825 100.0 1.041 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 93 63.00 2914 3168 50893 10451 98.3 1.210
 
Thanks Doc,
Deciding which weight of monolithic to use has been challenging (moose is the primary quarry). With my previous .300WSM, I settled on a 180TTSX. However, some, including noted gunwriter John Barsness, think the 150 g monolithics may be the way to go for all large, non-dangerous North American grain. I can't bring myself to go that light.
 
I believe the 168 will perform wonderfully on moose. I wouldn't hesitate to use it out of my 300 WSM. I have used the 130 grain E-Tip out of my 270 WSM to take moose and elk, and it performed quite well. The 168 from the 300 is just more of a good thing. Of the data generated, I'd likely lean toward the N550 or N560. However, I'll not be surprised if you get better accuracy with the 550 than the 560.
 
I played around with 168 ET's and RL17 with about the same data posted for you with RL19.. It was very slow compared to what was published. I haven't continued with load work with the 168 ET's as I found a great load with the 180 AB's, but I would have hunted happily with the 168 ET. great BC and excellent speeds. Plus, the bullet will probably weight 167 grains if it was ever captured by an animal. Good luck. Looking forward to hearing how you make out. Scotty
 
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