QL request for 416 Rem Mag

Cleveland48

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Jul 28, 2015
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Can someone help me out with this i was able to find some powder that should be usable in this cartridge.
416 Rem Mag, hornady brass, IMR 4451 powder, 350 grain barns TTSX, and 24" barrel. Thanks in advance I really appreciate it.

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SJB358

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This might be helpful. A good place to start either way.
 

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DrMike

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Nov 8, 2006
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Code:
Cartridge          : .416 Rem. Mag.
Bullet             : .416, 350, Barnes 'TTSX' 30519
Useable Case Capaci: 78.048 grain H2O = 5.068 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.600 inch = 91.44 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder             : IMR 4451 Enduron *C*T

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   97    69.12   2257    3959   44124   6385     91.9    1.374
-09.0   98    69.89   2281    4045   45563   6464     92.4    1.354
-08.0   99    70.66   2306    4132   47047   6543     92.8    1.335
-07.0  100    71.42   2330    4221   48582   6619     93.3    1.316
-06.0  102    72.19   2355    4310   50171   6695     93.7    1.297
-05.0  103    72.96   2380    4401   51816   6769     94.1    1.279
-04.0  104    73.73   2404    4492   53519   6841     94.5    1.261  ! Near Maximum !
-03.0  105    74.50   2429    4585   55283   6911     94.9    1.243  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  106    75.26   2454    4678   57112   6980     95.3    1.226  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0  107    76.03   2478    4773   59006   7047     95.7    1.209  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  108    76.80   2503    4868   60971   7112     96.0    1.192  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0  109    77.57   2528    4965   63008   7175     96.4    1.175  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0  110    78.34   2552    5062   65122   7236     96.7    1.159  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0  111    79.10   2577    5161   67317   7295     97.0    1.143  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  112    79.87   2602    5261   69595   7352     97.3    1.127  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  113    80.64   2626    5361   71961   7407     97.6    1.112  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    108    76.80   2615    5315   71619   7116     99.4    1.116  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    108    76.80   2358    4322   50633   6818     89.5    1.290
 

Cleveland48

Handloader
Jul 28, 2015
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SJB358":1fqbrw6u said:
This might be helpful. A good place to start either way.
Thats where I ended up picking out the powder to try lol. Was gonna see about what difference was. Hodgdon seems to load a little light on some cartridges it seems

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Cleveland48

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Jul 28, 2015
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DrMike":g8kgzzor said:
Code:
Cartridge          : .416 Rem. Mag.
Bullet             : .416, 350, Barnes 'TTSX' 30519
Useable Case Capaci: 78.048 grain H2O = 5.068 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.600 inch = 91.44 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder             : IMR 4451 Enduron *C*T

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   97    69.12   2257    3959   44124   6385     91.9    1.374
-09.0   98    69.89   2281    4045   45563   6464     92.4    1.354
-08.0   99    70.66   2306    4132   47047   6543     92.8    1.335
-07.0  100    71.42   2330    4221   48582   6619     93.3    1.316
-06.0  102    72.19   2355    4310   50171   6695     93.7    1.297
-05.0  103    72.96   2380    4401   51816   6769     94.1    1.279
-04.0  104    73.73   2404    4492   53519   6841     94.5    1.261  ! Near Maximum !
-03.0  105    74.50   2429    4585   55283   6911     94.9    1.243  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  106    75.26   2454    4678   57112   6980     95.3    1.226  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0  107    76.03   2478    4773   59006   7047     95.7    1.209  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  108    76.80   2503    4868   60971   7112     96.0    1.192  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0  109    77.57   2528    4965   63008   7175     96.4    1.175  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0  110    78.34   2552    5062   65122   7236     96.7    1.159  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0  111    79.10   2577    5161   67317   7295     97.0    1.143  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  112    79.87   2602    5261   69595   7352     97.3    1.127  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  113    80.64   2626    5361   71961   7407     97.6    1.112  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    108    76.80   2615    5315   71619   7116     99.4    1.116  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    108    76.80   2358    4322   50633   6818     89.5    1.290
Thanks DrMike

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Cleveland48

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Jul 28, 2015
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remingtonman_25_06":q1usjpbz said:
I really need to get me a 416 Mag. For no other real good reason other than to smash an elk or bear in the timber!!
That would be awesome to see.

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Cleveland48

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Jul 28, 2015
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Seems like quick load data maxes out quite a bit before the hodgdon data. Wonder if the barnes bullet is causing more pressure since hodgdon data is with the 350 gr speer?

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SJB358

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Dec 24, 2006
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Could be but I’d let the chrono be my guide. 4451 didn’t line up for beans when I tried using it with 4451. Magnetospeed and let it tell you. I’d imagine 2400-2500 is a handful as well.
 

Cleveland48

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Jul 28, 2015
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SJB358":1nzoxujh said:
Could be but I’d let the chrono be my guide. 4451 didn’t line up for beans when I tried using it with 4451. Magnetospeed and let it tell you. I’d imagine 2400-2500 is a handful as well.
Yeah definitely will have the magneto speed attached. I actually found some 4451 locally and already have some 4166, and trying to make do with them. I do have a great load with 300 tsx and 4166 already. Wanting to move up to the 350 gr in the rem mag with 4451, and load 400 gr in the taylor improved with 4166. DrMike already ran QL for me with the taylor improved and 4166. All this could of been avoided if I just had RL 15 lol. Should of saved it and stopped shooting haha.

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SJB358

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Dec 24, 2006
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Cleveland48":1yju64ku said:
SJB358":1yju64ku said:
Could be but I’d let the chrono be my guide. 4451 didn’t line up for beans when I tried using it with 4451. Magnetospeed and let it tell you. I’d imagine 2400-2500 is a handful as well.
Yeah definitely will have the magneto speed attached. I actually found some 4451 locally and already have some 4166, and trying to make do with them. I do have a great load with 300 tsx and 4166 already. Wanting to move up to the 350 gr in the rem mag with 4451, and load 400 gr in the taylor improved with 4166. DrMike already ran QL for me with the taylor improved and 4166. All this could of been avoided if I just had RL 15 lol. Should of saved it and stopped shooting haha.

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I can’t stop myself. As long as there are similar powders I’ll make do myself!

I’ve got some work to do myself. Waiting for the end of deer season. Then it’s goof off time.
 

Cleveland48

Handloader
Jul 28, 2015
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DrMike":g77cpg2r said:
Code:
Cartridge          : .416 Rem. Mag.
Bullet             : .416, 350, Barnes 'TTSX' 30519
Useable Case Capaci: 78.048 grain H2O = 5.068 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.600 inch = 91.44 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder             : IMR 4451 Enduron *C*T

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   97    69.12   2257    3959   44124   6385     91.9    1.374
-09.0   98    69.89   2281    4045   45563   6464     92.4    1.354
-08.0   99    70.66   2306    4132   47047   6543     92.8    1.335
-07.0  100    71.42   2330    4221   48582   6619     93.3    1.316
-06.0  102    72.19   2355    4310   50171   6695     93.7    1.297
-05.0  103    72.96   2380    4401   51816   6769     94.1    1.279
-04.0  104    73.73   2404    4492   53519   6841     94.5    1.261  ! Near Maximum !
-03.0  105    74.50   2429    4585   55283   6911     94.9    1.243  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  106    75.26   2454    4678   57112   6980     95.3    1.226  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0  107    76.03   2478    4773   59006   7047     95.7    1.209  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  108    76.80   2503    4868   60971   7112     96.0    1.192  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0  109    77.57   2528    4965   63008   7175     96.4    1.175  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0  110    78.34   2552    5062   65122   7236     96.7    1.159  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0  111    79.10   2577    5161   67317   7295     97.0    1.143  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  112    79.87   2602    5261   69595   7352     97.3    1.127  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  113    80.64   2626    5361   71961   7407     97.6    1.112  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    108    76.80   2615    5315   71619   7116     99.4    1.116  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    108    76.80   2358    4322   50633   6818     89.5    1.290
Hey DrMike I managed to find 8lb jug of imr 4166 this morning. Hodgdon does not list it with their 350 gr load data. Can you run a QL for this powder with a 350 TTSX for me? Hornady brass, 24" barrel. I appreciate the help.

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DrMike

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Nov 8, 2006
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Code:
Cartridge          : .416 Rem. Mag.
Bullet             : .416, 350, Barnes 'TTSX' 30519
Useable Case Capaci: 78.068 grain H2O = 5.069 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.600 inch = 91.44 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder             : IMR 4166 Enduron *C*T

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   96    66.42   2243    3910   44925   6181     92.4    1.375
-09.0   97    67.16   2267    3994   46358   6255     92.9    1.355
-08.0   99    67.90   2291    4078   47837   6328     93.3    1.336
-07.0  100    68.63   2315    4164   49366   6400     93.7    1.318
-06.0  101    69.37   2338    4250   50945   6470     94.1    1.299
-05.0  102    70.11   2362    4337   52577   6539     94.5    1.281
-04.0  103    70.85   2386    4425   54263   6607     94.9    1.264  ! Near Maximum !
-03.0  104    71.59   2410    4514   56007   6672     95.3    1.246  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  105    72.32   2434    4604   57810   6736     95.6    1.229  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0  106    73.06   2458    4694   59676   6799     96.0    1.213  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  107    73.80   2482    4786   61606   6860     96.3    1.196  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0  108    74.54   2505    4878   63604   6918     96.6    1.180  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0  109    75.28   2529    4972   65673   6975     96.9    1.164  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0  110    76.01   2553    5066   67816   7031     97.2    1.148  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  111    76.75   2577    5161   70036   7084     97.5    1.133  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  112    77.49   2601    5257   72338   7135     97.7    1.118  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    107    73.80   2587    5203   71794   6845     99.5    1.122  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    107    73.80   2345    4273   51715   6609     90.1    1.291
 

Cleveland48

Handloader
Jul 28, 2015
1,939
65
DrMike":s18tx2tp said:
Code:
Cartridge          : .416 Rem. Mag.
Bullet             : .416, 350, Barnes 'TTSX' 30519
Useable Case Capaci: 78.068 grain H2O = 5.069 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.600 inch = 91.44 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder             : IMR 4166 Enduron *C*T

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   96    66.42   2243    3910   44925   6181     92.4    1.375
-09.0   97    67.16   2267    3994   46358   6255     92.9    1.355
-08.0   99    67.90   2291    4078   47837   6328     93.3    1.336
-07.0  100    68.63   2315    4164   49366   6400     93.7    1.318
-06.0  101    69.37   2338    4250   50945   6470     94.1    1.299
-05.0  102    70.11   2362    4337   52577   6539     94.5    1.281
-04.0  103    70.85   2386    4425   54263   6607     94.9    1.264  ! Near Maximum !
-03.0  104    71.59   2410    4514   56007   6672     95.3    1.246  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  105    72.32   2434    4604   57810   6736     95.6    1.229  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0  106    73.06   2458    4694   59676   6799     96.0    1.213  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  107    73.80   2482    4786   61606   6860     96.3    1.196  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0  108    74.54   2505    4878   63604   6918     96.6    1.180  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0  109    75.28   2529    4972   65673   6975     96.9    1.164  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0  110    76.01   2553    5066   67816   7031     97.2    1.148  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  111    76.75   2577    5161   70036   7084     97.5    1.133  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  112    77.49   2601    5257   72338   7135     97.7    1.118  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    107    73.80   2587    5203   71794   6845     99.5    1.122  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    107    73.80   2345    4273   51715   6609     90.1    1.291
Thanks DrMike!

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RL338

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Mar 23, 2017
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Barnes 350 TTSX is a great bullet I found out in this year’s season , you will be happy with that choice. That combo of yours will flatten anything on this continent.
 

Cleveland48

Handloader
Jul 28, 2015
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RL338":17td0pk3 said:
Barnes 350 TTSX is a great bullet I found out in this year’s season , you will be happy with that choice. That combo of yours will flatten anything on this continent.
Thanks, I've been pleased with the 300 gr TSX so far this season. I have some of the 350 TTSX, so thought I should atleast work up a load for them.

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