Surplus Powder Loading Guidelines

Antelope_Sniper

Handloader
Jan 25, 2008
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About 15 years ago, while paging through a Shotgun news, I ran across an add for some surplus powder. Although I'd never head of WC860, and had no idea what it would be good for, at $3.65 per pound delivered, I had to try it. It's been an interesting experience. Having no real data, but an idea, a chronograph, and enough sense to know when to stop.

First let’s look at the 5 main sources of surplus/non-canister powder.

1. Military pulldown. The U.S. Military is not permitted to sell loaded ammunition as surplus. Instead they sell the loaded ammo to contractor, who separated it into component parts, and sells them separately. Most pulldown powder began life in spec, but is now old, and may have lost some of its zip. It's common for these powder to run a little slower then new virgin powder.

2. Military Overruns. The made too much of the new good stuff, and had to sell it off at a discount. Typically warmer then pulldown.

3. Out of Spec. Sometimes a lot doesn't meet standards and gets sold off. This can be some great powder, but is it out of spec because it too hot, or too cold? Start extra low and work up.

4. Plant closing. From time to time, a commercial loader will go out of business, and their powder will get sold off. The commercial guys have access to some really nice powder, about twice as many as we do.

5. Foreign manufacture. Some surplus sellers are importing powder from Russian, and other for iron curtain countries. This is usually high quality powder, and often times difficult to tell the difference between powders you know and love, usually with good data.

Now if all those variables didn't scare you off, and you bought your new, only half known power, where do you start with your loads. The first step is to determine the maximum velocity potential of a given powder, in a given cartridge. We start with a light for caliber bullet, a low powder charge, and work up to a case full of powder, 2 rounds per interval. Once you found this maximum velocity, compare it with your loading manual, and see what weight bullets are typically launched around these velocities, and you now know about what bullet weight will be close to optimum for that cartridge, powder combination. Work up your bullet weights in stages, making sure data hold with each increased bullet weight. Another benefit of this method is a light bullet will generate less pressure. This provides an extra margin of safety while learning the properties of the new powder. Once you've worked up loads with 3 or 4 different bullet weights in one caliber, and chrongraphed along the way, you now have some decent data you can compare with your loading books.

Sometimes you will run into a powder that is just too cold for a give cartridge. Well, since a lot of the powder is .50BMG or 20mm pull down, it can be pretty slow. In this case, remember these three rules: The bigger the case, the sharper the bottle neck, and the longer the barrel, the slower the powder you can use, and still get maximum performance. The 7mm STW, 7mm and 300 ultra mags were made for surplus powder.

Here are the surplus/commercial powder's I've loaded with: remember lots vary.

WC820: Ball powder. It’s similar in burn rate to H110. Original used in the .30 carbine. I have a jug of pulldown, and not surprisingly, it’s somewhat slower then H110. Some commercial loaders are using this as new virgin powder in .357 and .44 mag. loads. I’ve had good results in .357 mag.

WC297: Commercial powder, slightly slower then W296. This is probably the finest pistol powder I’ve ever used. It works great in my .44 Mag.

WC844. Ball powder, original application 5.56 NATO. Use H335 data. My lot is hot. If I attempt to use the original U.S Army loading data it blows primers. This is my primary .223 powder.

WC846: Chemically identical to WC844 (see above). The fast lots are labeled WC844, the slow lots are labeled WC846. Original application 7.62 NATO. Use BLC-2 data. I can’t tell the difference between my lot and BLC-2. I’ve had excellent results in 22-250, .308, and .338 Mag. It shoots one hole with all three rifles.

WC852: Ball Powder, original application 30.06. This powder has been reported to have a wide variation of burn rates, any where from H414 to RL22. There were several large, out of spec lots of this powder. My lot is very close to H450. If it’s designated WC852f (for fast) it might be even hotter. For regular WC852, start with H414 minimum data, and work up from there, and stop when your gun tells you to. I’ve had acceptable results with .270 Winchester, and .338 Win Mag.

AR2213SC: Commercial equivalent of H4831SC. I can’t tell the difference. I’ve had Great results in .270 Winchester, and .338 Win Mag.

WC868: 20mm new virgin
WC860: 50 Cal pulldown.
WC872: 20mm new virgin and pull down.

I listed these three powders together, in order of my lots, fastest to slowest. These are very slow powders, WC860 is generally the easiest to find, and considered to be 8% slower then H870. These are great powders for anything with STW, or RUM in its name with a 26+” barrel. Use either FED215, or FED215GM primers. IME the rest are a waste of time with these powders.

IMR5010. Original application 50 BMG. In come applications IMR5010 and WC860 are used interchangeably my lot of pulldown 5010 is slower then the loading manuals would suggest, but it’s very accurate in my 7mm STW. If I was going to shoot matches with it, and was not concerned about velocity, this is probably the powder I would use.

So next time you look at my signature block, you might better understand the motto, “Start low and work up. When in doubt, start lower.”
 

HTDUCK

Handloader
Apr 18, 2009
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Excellent post Sir and very sage advice.

Thank you.

I'm about to dive off into uncharted territory with two magnum cartridges I have never loaded before and plan on using WC872 in both of them.
One is a 264 Win Mag the other is a 7STW.

HOWEVER, I like to shoot my 44 mags alot and now I have to go find some WC297. :mrgreen:

Thanks again,
Howard
 

30-338

Handloader
Jun 12, 2009
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Good read.

I had to laugh when IMR-8208 hit the market. Surplus IMR-8208(EX8208-4)been around for alot of years and depending on what lot it was used by the BR shooter and price accordingly. I'd seen it get as high $150. for 8lbs and I paid $48 shipped for 8lbs plus I still have some.

If anyone remembers the old Scot Powder Co that sold SOLO/BRIGADIER powders. They sold Brigadier 3032 that was the old AR3032 just another type H-322. I think I paid $4 per lb shipped and I still have some of that powder use that in my 223.

Here a good article on the 223 powders surplus
http://www.thegunzone.com/556prop.html
 

DrMike

Ballistician
Nov 8, 2006
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Excellent write-up, Sniper. It should stimulate a few people to try surplus powders. These powders are harder to obtain here in Canada, not impossible, just harder. Thanks, again, for taking the time to educate us.
 

JD338

Range Officer
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Nov 4, 2004
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Tom,

Great write up!
I have not seen surplus powders around here, but then I have never looked either.
Now you got me thinking.....

JD338
 

Ridge_Runner

Handloader
Sep 29, 2006
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HTDUCK":2vyejfef said:
Excellent post Sir and very sage advice.

Thank you.

I'm about to dive off into uncharted territory with two magnum cartridges I have never loaded before and plan on using WC872 in both of them.
One is a 264 Win Mag the other is a 7STW.

HOWEVER, I like to shoot my 44 mags alot and now I have to go find some WC297. :mrgreen:

Thanks again,
Howard
HT start around 92 gr of WC872 for the stw with a 160 I toped out at 95 gr with a 160 AccuBond at 3340 fps.
RR
 

CMBTshooter

Handloader
Jun 8, 2011
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I set up a weidener's account just so they would email me when they get WC846 in stock. I usually use IMR 4064 for .308 Win but for $94 per 8 pound jug, I can't pass it up. Plus that's the cost of 3 pounds of IMR powder around here before the shortage.
 

Antelope_Sniper

Handloader
Jan 25, 2008
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Gentlemen thanks for the compliments.
I've bought from both Jeff at GI Brass and Pat at Pats powders.
Recently Jeff's listed some WC857.
It's .50 BMG tracer powder, and he claims it's burn rate is similar to H1000.
I have no experence with this powder, but would sure like to try a couple jugs of it.
 
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