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 Post subject: Re: rifle scopes, old v new
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 3:04 am 
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CL,
That review is based compleatly on it optically, as the 6500 MAY be 1000% better mechanically? But then comes this question; because the Extreame model comes with a fairly complex reticule for bullet compensation, and 99.9% of the end users are likely not going to ever be "spinning the dails" once it is lined up, how important is it that the erector sets are not of "Niteforce" quality???? But the glass is very close, and the price is 1/20th of the premier name brand?
Leupold has it posted right on their website that their lens are from Asia.... (preferred way to say China) they are very truthful about it, yet 99% of the public still believes that the logo "made in America" means that??? (False)
So if you ask any Leupold dude, where the lens come from in their Vx series,they will all answer :AMERICA, and that is simply not true! Assembly is done in Oregon, but the lens are from China, same for Burris, Vortex, Sightron etc.
So I prefer to forget the name on the side of the scope; and just go by how good they appear to me optically, and they are VERY good optically! Bushnell now has a commercial about their " no questions asked" warrantee,
They have pointed this directly at Vortex and Athlon who both offer stellar warranties; however Bushnell is advertising that "even if you run over it with your truck! :shock: )They will send you a new scope !!! No questions asked??? OMG
So NO ONE in the scope business can boast that ???
I run Zeiss scopes and some Leupolds cause I am old school,( And this Bushnell compares with a Vx3i easily; and is a sharp out to the edges as a Zeiss Conquest and has MORE FOV at ANY given power as either one :shock: )However being in the gun business ;I see all the new stuff, and get to play with them all,(with no dog in the fight) And the sad fact is; the Chinese now Dominates the lens industry! Period. UnAmerican ?? Yep, but a fact of life in 2018! I heard yesterday that even the newest Vortex Razor glass I assumed was from Japan,
Maybe high Grade Chinese???? School is still out on that one!
Point is if you say Bushnell in front of a Leupold dude he is going to snicker and say "buy that crap if you want
to; I only buy American" but in reality the lens actually came from the same hands, off the same table; And that table is not in Oregon. :(
I just ordered a new Vortex Diamondback HD 4-16x42mm Dead-Hold BDC Matte Black for a customer yesterday so will post an honest review of how it compares to the Bushnell Xtreame when it comes in! I tryed to offer him advise on these Bushnell Xtremes and he is a dyed in the wool Vortex guy........... so we will see when it gets here??? If it's better I will dam well say so, but if it's not I will say that toooo. With out a rebate it was $100 more money!
Hands down the best glass out there I have looked thru is German; S&B still grind and coat their own lens in house, however is it really practical to consider their stuff at $4000 scopes; for the avg guy reading this post ???( April n Scotty excluded) :lol: :lol: :lol:

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:15 pm 
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:47 pm 
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35 Whelen- you are obviously impressed and pleased with your new Bushnell. Great for you! I still own and use 4 of them myself but as I said they are of the cheaper variety. I went back and re-read your post. If they are as good as you say(not arguing with you) then they are impressive for $250 bucks.

As far as Leupold goes...I just got to the point where I could afford a $300 scope a few years back. They were a revelation compared to the $180 dollar bushnells or Tasco's or any other brand for that matter, compared to what I was used to. Obviously that wasn't an apples to apples comparison- so if I "slandered Bushnell's good name", Just one mans opinion, and now I have owned up to my limited experience....

Incidentally, it is not a revelation that good glass dosent come from the U.S.. Never has....

Thanks for the review- I may look that way again based on you opinion. CL

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:55 pm 
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CL,
Not really " MY" scope just mounting it for a customer, however I have certainly now ordered some because of the superb value I noticed in them. Plus besides the fact they are discounted heavily, the 30% Rebate gets them down into ridiculous money!
Don't take my word for it, simply look thru one and see for yourself! I had a friend here today that runs some high end optics on his stuff, he is a Swarvoski dude, we were comparing the Xtreame to a 4.5/14 Vx3i with 30mm tube with side focus a $700 scope and a Zeiss Conquest with a 1" tube , so I realize it sounds crazy; But the Xtreame, holds its own with either ......... comparing it to a 1" VX2 was no contest it smokes it, not even in same universe. He was as astonished as I am!
So it's not even something I even knew Bushnell made? Until it walked thru the door I had never even heard of their 30 mm scopes , so I am simply posting what we saw.......... amazingly cheap high grade optics!
I think Bushnell should have called this the new "B&L Balvar 7 HD" and priced it at $1195 and we all would have heard about it already! Let's face it the bulk of folks reading this, are going to have raised eyebrows; saying I can't believe he thinks a " Bushnell Scope" compares. Well it sure does. So check it out! Forget the name on the box and you will be blown away how good it is. The only negative thing about the scope is it's weight, at 19 oz it's 4/5 oz heavier than your little VX2 1", but about same as the Vx3i with same 30mm tube. On the plus side of that it is 6.25" between the power ring and objective lens so it will fit most any " long action" without having to get extension rings ! Which of course you can't do with a VX2 they are only 5.75" for ring
Distance........ I am 110% giving this thing my " Best Buy Award" cause it deserves it! And hey if you can't live
with the "B" on the covers , slap on some caps with an"L" s on it or double "V"s or what ever floats your boat down at the country club! :wink:

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:15 am 

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I say shoot em and put some rounds on them and see how they work. The best glass you can buy is the one that steers bullets correctly and doesn't need to be "tweaked" all the time. I have seen fellas zero in the fall and have a rifle that was "off" the next time they fired it. Could be anything really, but since going to solid rings/bases and scopes that track, that stuff is a thing of the past for me. I am with E though, I don't spend a million bucks on expensive scopes anymore cause even the 300 dollar SS's hold zero, let me have plenty of "glass" to hunt and put rounds where they are supposed to according to the dials aboard the optic. It's almost tough to wanna spend that big money on something that won't do those three things correctly for 2X or 3X's the money..

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:04 am 
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Well said.....
The old daying "buy the best you can afford" probably isnt
The thing to be doing in the scope market anymore, as you
Could spend a $1000 and struggle to see 1% difference from a $300 scope

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:50 am 

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35 Whelen wrote:
CL,

Hands down the best glass out there I have looked thru is German; S&B still grind and coat their own lens in house, however is it really practical to consider their stuff at $4000 scopes; for the avg guy reading this post ???( April n Scotty excluded) :lol: :lol: :lol:



I just saw this!

First off, Earle is correct, S & B makes good scopes, excellent scopes in fact and do, in fact still grind and coat their own glass--no Asia stuff for them! Theirs is the real deal!

secondly, Earle and Cheyenne who own their own airplanes, boats, cabins in the woods tractors, snowmobiles, they each have several dogs, several rifles, and they are giving me a hard time about one scope---pppllleeeaaassseee.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:36 pm 
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Lol, oh stop you know darn well her and I have all we can
Do to keep the bank from pounding the door down ! Lets
Face it: while your on the internet you can just drive around and take photos of some rich guys expensive toys
And then simply post them on here and claim they belong
To you. Thats why I am lurking around the Bushnell counter!! Just hoping next week is better than last week
As the kids are getting tired of corn flakes with no milk on them!!!! LoL

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 5:00 pm 

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Guy -

I couldn't agree more. Looking to upgrade to a VX-3i myself this summer, just gotta make up my mind whaich reticle I am planning to use.

Are you still slinging that old Redfield on your .30-06 or did you upgrade? If so what did you end up going with?

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