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 Post subject: Politics vs National Security
PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:52 pm 

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Normally I'm one to avoid political arguments online.

HOWEVER... I've come to the conclusion that the Democrat Party is an enemy of the United States.

They want no border control.

They use lies, attempting to destroy good Americans like Kavenaugh.

They flip-flop on issues of National Security, only for political advantage - note the border wall.

I have taken an oath to defend the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Where do I put the Democrat Party members?

Kinda lost here...

Thanks, Guy


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 Post subject: Re: Politics vs National Security
PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:37 pm 

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Guy

As a whole I couldn’t agree more. It’s tough to lump any bunch of people together for their beliefs but I think that the leaders that the Democratic Party have chosen to champion their cause, who will twist any words, stoop to any low to get the results they want are pure evil. They are enemies of truth, enemies of our nation and the people they have been given charge to protect. Would to God we are spared from them forthwith. But I’m afraid we won’t be.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:42 pm 
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:50 pm 

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Tragically true, Guy. There was a time when I considered people American, whether they had a "D" or an "R" following their name. I believed that though we may have disagreed on means, we each sought what was best for the nation. There was a time during my younger days when statesmen occupied the positions of government. I am hard-pressed to think of any statesmen, though I am aware of numerous political hacks today. It is difficult, if not impossible in many instances, to believe that many seek what is best for the nation today. Many who wear the label of "Democrat" appear hellbent on destroying the nation. And what is true of the United States, has become increasingly true of Canada. The leadership of the Democratic party is waltzing toward a clash with American values that can only be destructive whichever way the situation plays out.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:22 pm 
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No boarder control means undocumented people can enter this country, sign up for free entitlement programs that are supported by the Dems. All they ask for in return is their support at the polls.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:58 am 

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I'm right there with you. As the saying goes, "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." They want nothing less than absolute power. They want to control your life in all aspects, and make you totally dependent on the State. It is nothing less than evil.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:47 am 

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Besides the large number of folks who try to and do enter illegally, Guy you and other current and former LEO's know that the amount of drugs coming across our border each and EVERY DAY is staggering, as is the money that crosses our borders back into Mexico to pay for those drugs. I wish that the FBI, Homeland Security, and other agency's that know the real story would speak out and release these numbers. They truly are staggering.

I went to some training where these numbers were shown and it's truly hard to imagine it. They showed us pictures of rooms in houses and other locations that were full of U.S. money neatly stacked from the floor to the ceiling, and corner to corner. These rooms are large rooms also, not just a small nook or closet! Our government which is supposed to be an extension of the people needs to let folks know the real story and how pervasive this problem is in many ways to include the simple fact that our border is not secure. I wish that I had jotted some of these numbers down and I cannot recall them off the top of my head, but if people know they would be shocked, and this happens 365 days out of the year each and every day!

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:56 am 

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I just hope that the R side shows a bit more civility than their friends on the other side are the next time the pendulum swings left. The old gun - toting working-class red-blooded American D’s like truck driver’s dad and my granddad would be ashamed of their parties’ behavior today.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:42 am 

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I hope the radical lefts constituents see the flip flopping they are doing on this border wall/fence and they hold them to task the next election but I won't hold my breath. Most of them are nut job guppies getting dragged along after being molded in our excellent education system :roll: . If nothing else the wall/fence would show all the central American countries we are serious about securing our borders and reduce/eliminate the caravans that claim to be fleeing persecution/violence in their own country. I understand the US is a better place to live then Mexico but if your fleeing your country and Mexico has open arms, and is the first semi safe country you hit, why would you risk traveling another 1000+ miles to the US, especially with a young child, only to be shoved into a stadium to await a asylum court date. If people in the US treat a child that way they would be jailed for child endangerment. 25 billion is a drop in the bucket compared to the money illegals in this country cost tax payers every year. Not to mention the violence and deaths associated with them. I'm baffled why Trump doesn't relate that to the people. He should change his tactics and make it all about tax payer dollars. Tell people how much the average taxpayer spends every year to support illegals. When people see the numbers I think it will change a lot of their minds.

I think a metal slatted fence with razor sharp points at the top would make a excellent deterrent. Someone also said to use it like power lines and electrify it, works for me. BTW the lefts idea of using drones and modern tech is awesome (that was sarcasm BTW) A drone still won't catch a person but a wall would deter them. I'm not sure how a wall is immoral but according to Pelosi it is. :lol: I guess it's immoral to make people obey our laws. If they got the wall then they could focus on better securing the crossings.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:42 pm 
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I think they're trying to leverage their new assault weapons ban against wall funding.

Sign the ban, we'll fund the wall...

I hope Trump don't fall for it.

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