Jimbeaux82
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Could one of our esteemed members please run a composite QL for 7mm Weatherby mag, 168 gr Nosler ABLR, Weatherby cases, 26" barrel.
Thanks
Jimbeaux
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Jimbeaux
7mm Wea Mag 168 gr ABLR QL request
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Cartridge : 7 mm Weath. Mag.
Bullet : .284, 168, Nosler Accubond LR 58623 G7
Useable Case Capaci: 76.858 grain H2O = 4.990 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.360 inch = 85.34 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 63250 psi, or 436 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
31 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
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ADI AR 2218 109.0 82.3 5.33 3209 98.9 63250 15029 1.227 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N570 105.1 78.5 5.09 3185 98.5 63250 14698 1.252 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 80 108.2 83.2 5.39 3179 99.2 63250 14455 1.249 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-33 106.9 82.1 5.32 3172 98.8 63250 14518 1.254 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2225 108.9 77.6 5.03 3143 100.0 63250 12770 1.246 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Retumbo 108.9 77.6 5.03 3143 100.0 63250 12770 1.246 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H870 110.0 80.5 5.21 3112 99.2 59932 14035 1.287 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP30 104.2 73.8 4.78 3112 100.0 63250 13055 1.267 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 2 104.2 73.8 4.78 3112 100.0 63250 13055 1.267 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 96.3 69.7 4.52 3110 99.9 63250 13138 1.256 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517 99.1 75.0 4.86 3110 100.0 63250 12828 1.252 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-50 110.0 84.3 5.46 3110 97.8 59375 14670 1.315 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12 99.0 74.8 4.85 3109 100.0 63250 12796 1.253 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 96.6 72.8 4.72 3106 99.4 63250 13332 1.263 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 217 110.0 76.8 4.97 3106 100.0 60278 13089 1.295 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-26 93.2 71.0 4.60 3103 100.0 63250 12386 1.274 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 95.3 69.3 4.49 3099 100.0 63250 12688 1.246 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 100.7 69.3 4.49 3099 100.0 63250 12688 1.246 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 94.5 69.8 4.53 3098 100.0 63250 12563 1.264 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25 102.0 71.9 4.66 3092 100.0 63250 12092 1.256 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 70 91.8 69.3 4.49 3091 100.0 63250 12195 1.249 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 2214 100.3 73.8 4.78 3091 100.0 63250 12420 1.239 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213 96.4 69.1 4.48 3089 99.9 63250 12618 1.242 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H1000 105.5 73.9 4.79 3088 100.0 63250 12386 1.240 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2217 105.5 73.9 4.79 3088 100.0 63250 12386 1.240 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 96.6 69.2 4.48 3079 100.0 63250 12482 1.262 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 96.6 69.2 4.48 3079 100.0 63250 12482 1.262 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15 96.6 69.2 4.48 3079 100.0 63250 12482 1.262 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP15 99.2 69.5 4.51 3078 100.0 63250 12510 1.262 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR 99.2 69.5 4.51 3078 100.0 63250 12510 1.262 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori 24N41 107.7 81.3 5.27 3078 93.8 63250 13481 1.244 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation 100.2 72.3 4.69 3065 99.3 63250 12649 1.243 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum 96.5 74.5 4.82 3056 100.0 63250 11892 1.261 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905 98.0 68.9 4.47 3056 99.8 63250 12363 1.260 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 93.5 65.9 4.27 3043 100.0 63250 11895 1.248 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 94.0 66.6 4.31 3040 100.0 63250 11950 1.256 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 94.7 67.1 4.35 3034 100.0 63250 11870 1.256 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors 12,7mmRA NC1214 Lot20115087 110.0 82.4 5.34 3028 90.8 59590 14024 1.329 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC 95.3 68.3 4.42 3026 99.7 63250 11989 1.252 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 99.2 68.3 4.42 3026 99.7 63250 11989 1.252 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 518 90.3 66.1 4.28 3025 100.0 63250 11540 1.263 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N170 108.4 75.9 4.92 3023 97.2 63250 12609 1.273 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 92.2 65.4 4.24 3020 100.0 63250 11686 1.255 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4 92.2 65.4 4.24 3020 100.0 63250 11686 1.255 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-23 98.7 68.4 4.43 3018 100.0 63250 11202 1.276 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-16 90.8 62.6 4.06 3004 100.0 63250 10971 1.273 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D100 105.3 80.3 5.20 3001 94.3 63250 12439 1.263 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385 94.1 67.4 4.37 2998 100.0 63250 11346 1.277 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904 93.2 65.1 4.22 2998 99.9 63250 11511 1.254 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 92.9 69.4 4.50 2995 100.0 63250 11393 1.263 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4955 Enduron 96.8 66.7 4.32 2994 99.8 63250 11636 1.252 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation 90.0 64.7 4.19 2988 100.0 63250 11153 1.268 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165 99.2 69.5 4.50 2985 100.0 63250 11119 1.268 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160 99.5 67.6 4.38 2981 99.9 63250 11310 1.258 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365 90.6 63.8 4.13 2979 100.0 63250 10617 1.283 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S071 102.4 68.6 4.45 2974 100.0 63250 10963 1.295 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100 96.8 68.6 4.45 2974 100.0 63250 10963 1.295 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 93.6 63.5 4.11 2971 100.0 63250 10722 1.280 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S361 92.3 69.7 4.52 2970 99.7 63250 11358 1.266 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon US 869 110.0 83.0 5.38 2963 92.1 56357 13117 1.323 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon 50BMG 110.0 79.1 5.13 2959 88.1 56130 13249 1.323 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7977 Enduron 101.4 71.1 4.60 2952 95.5 63250 11600 1.254 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 91.5 62.7 4.07 2940 100.0 63250 10132 1.274 ! Near Maximum !- Thread starter
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Jimbeaux82
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as always Dr. Mike, thanks for your quick reply.
Jimbeaux
Jimbeaux
DrMike
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Are you shooting a MK V?
I ask because mine has a 1:10 twist and was wondering if it will stabilize this?
I ask because mine has a 1:10 twist and was wondering if it will stabilize this?
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Jimbeaux82
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Fotis,
I am shooting a Mark V Accumark. Not sure what the twist is.
Jimbeaux
I am shooting a Mark V Accumark. Not sure what the twist is.
Jimbeaux
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Jimbeaux82
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According to Weatherby website it is a 1-10 twist. Do you think I will have issues with 168 gr LRAB?
Jimbeaux
Jimbeaux
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Jimbeaux82
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DrMike":38kopj2y said:
De reain, mon ami.
You may or may not have issues Jim. Only one way to know I guess. The 168's are long suckers though.
I still can't believe Weatherby can't run a little faster with their 7mm. Such an awesome cartridge but hampered with the 10 twist with todays bullets.
Not sure what powders you are running, but H1000, Retumbo, RL33 and RL26 have worked excellent for me with the 160-175's in the Mashburn which is just about a twin to the Weatherby.
I still can't believe Weatherby can't run a little faster with their 7mm. Such an awesome cartridge but hampered with the 10 twist with todays bullets.
Not sure what powders you are running, but H1000, Retumbo, RL33 and RL26 have worked excellent for me with the 160-175's in the Mashburn which is just about a twin to the Weatherby.
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Jimbeaux82
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Scotty,
I have been loading 160 gr Accubonds with VVN 160 getting about 3/4 in groups and 3100 fps. I primarily hunt white tailed deer and have been satisfied with this load, able to ring steel targets out to 600 yds with relative ease. Just on a whim , since I had ordered some 150 gr and 168 gr ABLR last year, I decided to try Noslers "most accurate load" in their manual to see how they shoot. I will also run the 160 gr NAB with their most accurate load recommendation and see how they shoot. The only problem I have had with using Nosler data is that the velocities I get are usually way under what Nosler publishes. I understand all the reasons for this but other manuals data comes closer to what I get than Nosler. My Weatherby Accumark has a custom 26" barrel which should have tighter tolerances and the 2 extra inches over Nosler's 24" Lilja barrel should help on the velocity. We will see. I have loaded the 150 gr ABLR yesterday with retumbo at the recommended most accurate charge and will be loading the 160 NAB today with RL 25 at the recommended most accurate charge. Nosler recommends Supreme 780 as the most accurate for 168 gr ABLR and I dont have any of that. Not sure if I will go and buy some just for this test so may just try other powders from Dr Mike's QL run.
Anyway, as most of us handloaders do, I'm just a tinkerin' in the endless search for the "ultimate load".
Take care
Jimbeaux
I have been loading 160 gr Accubonds with VVN 160 getting about 3/4 in groups and 3100 fps. I primarily hunt white tailed deer and have been satisfied with this load, able to ring steel targets out to 600 yds with relative ease. Just on a whim , since I had ordered some 150 gr and 168 gr ABLR last year, I decided to try Noslers "most accurate load" in their manual to see how they shoot. I will also run the 160 gr NAB with their most accurate load recommendation and see how they shoot. The only problem I have had with using Nosler data is that the velocities I get are usually way under what Nosler publishes. I understand all the reasons for this but other manuals data comes closer to what I get than Nosler. My Weatherby Accumark has a custom 26" barrel which should have tighter tolerances and the 2 extra inches over Nosler's 24" Lilja barrel should help on the velocity. We will see. I have loaded the 150 gr ABLR yesterday with retumbo at the recommended most accurate charge and will be loading the 160 NAB today with RL 25 at the recommended most accurate charge. Nosler recommends Supreme 780 as the most accurate for 168 gr ABLR and I dont have any of that. Not sure if I will go and buy some just for this test so may just try other powders from Dr Mike's QL run.
Anyway, as most of us handloaders do, I'm just a tinkerin' in the endless search for the "ultimate load".
Take care
Jimbeaux
Jimbeaux82":adycxwxw said:
I absolutely understand the tinkering part Jim. Your 160 AB at 3100 is one of the perfect sorta loads in my opinion and I was able to attain decent accuracy with RL25 and the 168's in my 7 WSM. If they will stabilize in your barrel, I would think Retumbo would have to hum with that bullet.
Was your new barrel set up with a Wby chamber or did you have it cut differently.
Even if the 168's didn't stabilize, I'd imagine those 150 ABLR's rocking along at 3200 would be pretty serious as well. Plus, it would be a laser beam at distance. Good luck and please keep us updated to how it all goes.
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Jimbeaux82
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Scotty,
rifle has a Weatherby chamber. It was a Mark V originally that I sent back to Weatherby for a conversion to Accumark after the accuracy of my original barrel fell off to below what I was happy with. I went ahead and loaded the 168 gr ABLR with 74 and 76 gr Retumbo and will report back next week after I have shot them as well as the other loads I have tried.
Jimbeaux
rifle has a Weatherby chamber. It was a Mark V originally that I sent back to Weatherby for a conversion to Accumark after the accuracy of my original barrel fell off to below what I was happy with. I went ahead and loaded the 168 gr ABLR with 74 and 76 gr Retumbo and will report back next week after I have shot them as well as the other loads I have tried.
Jimbeaux
Nice, looking forward to seeing what you get with it. Retumbo is really danged good for getting incredible speeds from the heavier bullets in my 7mm Mashburn. I think once I am done monkeying with the 150-154 class of bullets I am going to try some Retumbo with 175 Partitions or Woodleighs.
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Jimbeaux82
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Scotty,
I just finished firing my test loads and was again disappointed with the ABLR's. Again I was trying to duplicate loads listed in the Nosler manual as "most accurate" and shooting them thru a Weatherby 7mm Wea Mag Accumark. Here is what I shot:
1 - 76.0 gr Retumbo, 150 gr ABLR, 3.360" as per manual, Fed 215, 3020 fps , 3 shots - 2.625"
2 - 78.0 gr Retumbo, 150 gr ABLR, 3.360, Fed 215 , 3093 fps, 3 shots - 2.293"
3 - 72.0 gr RL 25, 160 gr NAB, 3.360", Fed 215, 3020 fps, 3 shots - .965"
4 - 74.0 gr RL 25, 160 gr NAB, 3.360", Fed 215, 3128 fps, 3 shots - .988"
5 - 74.0 gr Retumbo, 168 gr ABLR, 3.340" per manual, Fed 215, 2915 fps, 3 shots - 1.428"
6 - 76.0 gr Retumbo, 168 gr ABLR, 3.340", Fed 215, 2985 fps, 3 shots - 3.390"
As you can see, 160 AB's do very well in my rifle but RL 25 does just about what VV N160 does so no reason to change. But it does not like the 150 gr nor 168 gr ABLR. I did not chase bullet seating depths but as you can see they were seated with considerable jump which is what is generally recommended for ABLR's. I may try and reshoot the 150 gr with BT's and see what happens or I may just stick to what I have now with the 160 gr AB's.
I did not see any evidence of keyholing with the 168 gr ABLR's.
Jimbeaux
I just finished firing my test loads and was again disappointed with the ABLR's. Again I was trying to duplicate loads listed in the Nosler manual as "most accurate" and shooting them thru a Weatherby 7mm Wea Mag Accumark. Here is what I shot:
1 - 76.0 gr Retumbo, 150 gr ABLR, 3.360" as per manual, Fed 215, 3020 fps , 3 shots - 2.625"
2 - 78.0 gr Retumbo, 150 gr ABLR, 3.360, Fed 215 , 3093 fps, 3 shots - 2.293"
3 - 72.0 gr RL 25, 160 gr NAB, 3.360", Fed 215, 3020 fps, 3 shots - .965"
4 - 74.0 gr RL 25, 160 gr NAB, 3.360", Fed 215, 3128 fps, 3 shots - .988"
5 - 74.0 gr Retumbo, 168 gr ABLR, 3.340" per manual, Fed 215, 2915 fps, 3 shots - 1.428"
6 - 76.0 gr Retumbo, 168 gr ABLR, 3.340", Fed 215, 2985 fps, 3 shots - 3.390"
As you can see, 160 AB's do very well in my rifle but RL 25 does just about what VV N160 does so no reason to change. But it does not like the 150 gr nor 168 gr ABLR. I did not chase bullet seating depths but as you can see they were seated with considerable jump which is what is generally recommended for ABLR's. I may try and reshoot the 150 gr with BT's and see what happens or I may just stick to what I have now with the 160 gr AB's.
I did not see any evidence of keyholing with the 168 gr ABLR's.
Jimbeaux
Dr. Vette
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Thanks for posting your information.
My 7mm Wby Fibermark shot the factory 160AB's very well, but they no longer offer those. I have been contemplating using the RL-25 as per Nosler, or the RL-26, when getting it ready for an elk hunt this fall. Your data suggests that the RL-25 may work well.
Did you ever think of the RL-26 for this one too?
And did you ever try the factory 160 AB loads in this rifle?
Thanks!
My 7mm Wby Fibermark shot the factory 160AB's very well, but they no longer offer those. I have been contemplating using the RL-25 as per Nosler, or the RL-26, when getting it ready for an elk hunt this fall. Your data suggests that the RL-25 may work well.
Did you ever think of the RL-26 for this one too?
And did you ever try the factory 160 AB loads in this rifle?
Thanks!
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Jimbeaux82
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Dr Vette,
I have a good supply of RL 25 so did not consider RL 26, but I would think it work work about the same. The Weatherby Factory 160 AB's shot about 1" in my rifle and I have been able to slightly better that with my handloads. MY VVN160, 67.0 gr, 3100 fps load shoots about 3/4 inch.
Jimbeaux
I have a good supply of RL 25 so did not consider RL 26, but I would think it work work about the same. The Weatherby Factory 160 AB's shot about 1" in my rifle and I have been able to slightly better that with my handloads. MY VVN160, 67.0 gr, 3100 fps load shoots about 3/4 inch.
Jimbeaux
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Yes, until they quit making it.SJB358":e3o1mlz2 said:
I have tried, as did the previous owner of my 257 ULW, to match the Weatherby factory ammo's performance. So far it's not possible. It shoots <0.5 inch at 200 yards with the factory ballistic tips or Accubonds. Not so for reloads.
