338WM 200BT (or Accubond) QL data?

preacher

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Aug 19, 2012
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OK Using a 24" barrel, what is the best speeds/powder data does QL show for the 338 winmag and the Nosler 200gr? Thanks
 
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Cartridge          : .338 Win Mag.
Bullet             : .338, 200, Nosler Accubond 56382
Useable Case Capaci: 74.992 grain H2O = 4.869 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 61550 psi, or 424 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 112 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

2 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant Reloder-26                 111.3     82.7     5.36    3128    99.9    61550   11443   1.084  ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP                          111.8     80.7     5.23    3087    98.3    61550   11351   1.088  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 60                  101.5     73.6     4.77    3074   100.0    61550   10228   1.084  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 70                  107.6     79.2     5.13    3057    98.6    61550   10990   1.085  ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17                           100.6     72.9     4.73    3054   100.0    61550   10173   1.090  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17                 100.6     72.9     4.73    3054   100.0    61550   10173   1.090  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-16                 107.8     72.6     4.70    3030   100.0    61550   10054   1.100  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365                       108.0     74.3     4.81    3029   100.0    61550    9707   1.100  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC                       111.2     79.0     5.12    3026    95.1    61550   10901   1.087  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 62                  104.3     75.5     4.89    3022    99.7    61550   10255   1.108  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560                    112.0     79.1     5.13    3015    94.2    58759   11193   1.112  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 518                106.2     75.8     4.91    3012    98.8    61550   10401   1.099  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511                102.0     75.1     4.87    3011    99.0    61550   10353   1.100  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter                     105.4     75.2     4.87    3010    99.0    61550   10337   1.100  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213                        111.9     78.2     5.07    3008    94.9    61550   10774   1.088  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                        99.5     72.7     4.71    3002    98.4    61550   10308   1.104  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                      99.5     72.7     4.71    3002    98.4    61550   10308   1.104  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19                 109.9     75.9     4.92    2999    96.8    61550   10478   1.097  ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP                          104.9     71.7     4.65    2995    99.8    61550    9979   1.107  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation         104.9     71.8     4.65    2994    99.8    61550    9976   1.107  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15                       112.0     78.3     5.07    2993    96.3    57889   10893   1.122  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22                 112.0     78.3     5.07    2993    96.3    57889   10893   1.122  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation       112.0     78.3     5.07    2993    96.3    57889   10893   1.122  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550                    101.9     71.9     4.66    2993    99.7    61550   10099   1.112  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350                      104.3     72.1     4.67    2993    99.8    61550    9961   1.121  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation         110.6     76.5     4.95    2991    96.8    61550   10393   1.097  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209                        108.9     74.9     4.85    2991    96.6    61550   10369   1.092  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO                    112.0     82.3     5.33    2988    92.1    57908   11105   1.123  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum                     112.0     84.3     5.46    2985    97.0    60566   10452   1.098  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831                           110.1     72.9     4.72    2977    99.8    61550    9767   1.115  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation          107.4     74.2     4.81    2971    96.5    61550   10164   1.099  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204                          104.0     74.2     4.81    2971    96.5    61550   10164   1.099  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4                        107.4     74.2     4.81    2971    96.5    61550   10164   1.099  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385                       110.2     77.0     4.99    2966    97.8    61550   10072   1.115  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                107.8     72.1     4.67    2960   100.0    61550    9188   1.105  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation       104.9     73.6     4.77    2954    98.1    61550    9899   1.111  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC                   110.5     77.2     5.01    2953    94.3    61550   10125   1.098  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                       97.2     67.9     4.40    2945   100.0    61550    9265   1.129  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3                          97.2     67.9     4.40    2945   100.0    61550    9265   1.129  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780             107.9     78.6     5.09    2943    96.5    61550    9878   1.101  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                        96.5     68.2     4.42    2943    99.6    61550    9582   1.121  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070                         104.1     71.2     4.61    2940    98.5    61550    9759   1.122  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903                       99.4     67.9     4.40    2938   100.0    61550    9188   1.129  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904                      108.0     73.6     4.77    2932    95.4    61550    9823   1.105  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355                        99.3     67.2     4.35    2931   100.0    61550    9191   1.125  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4955 Enduron                   111.6     75.1     4.86    2920    94.7    61550    9828   1.106  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065                         102.7     69.5     4.50    2918    99.2    61550    9439   1.124  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905                      112.0     76.8     4.98    2916    93.5    56050   10332   1.143  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7                    91.1     67.5     4.38    2913    99.5    61550    9237   1.125  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6                        92.1     65.6     4.25    2911   100.0    61550    8685   1.133  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520                       90.0     65.6     4.25    2911   100.0    61550    8685   1.133  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907                      101.3     68.7     4.45    2911    97.8    61550    9523   1.120  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7                         101.3     68.7     4.45    2911    97.8    61550    9523   1.120  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12                  112.0     82.6     5.36    2911    93.6    54420   10740   1.149  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC                        98.1     68.8     4.46    2910    97.8    61550    9516   1.120  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064                       96.9     65.5     4.25    2908   100.0    61550    8678   1.151  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100                      112.0     77.4     5.02    2908    98.5    57519    9796   1.157  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-23                 112.0     75.7     4.91    2908    99.8    52039   10102   1.177
PB Clermont PCL 517                112.0     82.6     5.36    2905    93.3    54115   10730   1.152  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP15                        112.0     76.6     4.96    2902    94.9    52533   10617   1.174
Winchester WXR                     112.0     76.6     4.96    2902    94.9    52533   10617   1.174
Somchem S361                       106.6     78.5     5.09    2894    94.3    61550    9565   1.117  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495                       91.2     61.7     4.00    2882   100.0    61550    8341   1.157  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831                      112.0     75.2     4.88    2865    92.9    55785    9852   1.147  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901                       91.2     59.9     3.88    2865   100.0    61550    8327   1.141  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828                           112.0     75.2     4.88    2855    92.3    51314   10359   1.181
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation       112.0     78.9     5.12    2854    90.3    54848   10080   1.154  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 2214                        112.0     80.4     5.21    2854    92.5    54016   10203   1.157  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165                    112.0     76.6     4.96    2840    95.9    54395    9511   1.166  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25                 112.0     77.0     4.99    2835    97.3    47426   10539   1.222
Vihtavuori N160                    112.0     74.2     4.81    2826    93.9    55679    9364   1.157  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S071                         112.0     73.2     4.74    2726    96.4    46327    9378   1.275
Norma MRP 2                        112.0     77.4     5.02    2723    90.0    42387   10308   1.293
Bofors RP30                        112.0     77.4     5.02    2723    90.0    42387   10308   1.293
IMR 7977 Enduron                   112.0     76.6     4.96    2717    83.6    54912    8680   1.175  ! Near Maximum !

Code:
Cartridge          : .338 Win Mag.
Bullet             : .338, 200, Nosler BalTip 33200
Useable Case Capaci: 75.427 grain H2O = 4.897 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 61550 psi, or 424 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 112 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

3 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant Reloder-26                 111.1     83.0     5.38    3131    99.9    61550   11496   1.084  ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP                          111.6     81.0     5.25    3090    98.4    61550   11409   1.088  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 60                  101.3     73.9     4.79    3077   100.0    61550   10275   1.084  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 70                  107.4     79.5     5.15    3060    98.7    61550   11046   1.084  ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17                           100.4     73.2     4.74    3056   100.0    61550   10219   1.090  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17                 100.4     73.2     4.74    3056   100.0    61550   10219   1.090  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-16                 107.5     72.8     4.72    3032   100.0    61550   10099   1.100  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365                       107.8     74.5     4.83    3031   100.0    61550    9752   1.100  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC                       111.0     79.3     5.14    3030    95.1    61550   10963   1.087  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560                    112.0     79.6     5.16    3025    94.4    59171   11276   1.108  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 62                  104.1     75.8     4.91    3024    99.8    61550   10304   1.108  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 518                106.0     76.1     4.93    3015    98.8    61550   10453   1.099  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511                101.8     75.4     4.89    3014    99.0    61550   10404   1.100  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter                     105.2     75.5     4.89    3012    99.0    61550   10388   1.100  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213                        111.8     78.5     5.09    3012    95.0    61550   10835   1.088  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                        99.3     73.0     4.73    3005    98.4    61550   10360   1.103  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                      99.3     73.0     4.73    3005    98.4    61550   10360   1.103  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22                 112.0     78.7     5.10    3003    96.5    58307   10969   1.119  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation       112.0     78.7     5.10    3003    96.5    58307   10969   1.119  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15                       112.0     78.7     5.10    3003    96.5    58307   10969   1.119  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19                 109.7     76.2     4.94    3002    96.9    61550   10534   1.096  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO                    112.0     82.8     5.36    2999    92.4    58345   11191   1.119  ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP                          104.7     72.0     4.67    2997    99.8    61550   10026   1.107  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation         104.7     72.0     4.67    2997    99.8    61550   10023   1.107  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550                    101.7     72.2     4.68    2996    99.7    61550   10147   1.112  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350                      104.1     72.4     4.69    2995    99.8    61550   10009   1.121  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum                     112.0     84.8     5.50    2995    97.2    61025   10523   1.094  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209                        108.7     75.2     4.87    2994    96.7    61550   10425   1.091  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation         110.4     76.8     4.97    2994    96.8    61550   10449   1.097  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831                           109.9     73.2     4.74    2979    99.9    61550    9813   1.115  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4                        107.2     74.5     4.83    2974    96.6    61550   10219   1.099  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204                          103.8     74.5     4.83    2974    96.6    61550   10219   1.099  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation          107.2     74.5     4.83    2974    96.6    61550   10219   1.099  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385                       110.0     77.3     5.01    2969    97.8    61550   10124   1.115  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                107.6     72.4     4.69    2962   100.0    61550    9231   1.105  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation       104.7     73.9     4.79    2957    98.1    61550    9950   1.111  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC                   110.3     77.6     5.03    2957    94.3    61550   10183   1.097  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3                          97.0     68.2     4.42    2947   100.0    61550    9308   1.129  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                       97.0     68.2     4.42    2947   100.0    61550    9308   1.129  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780             107.7     78.9     5.11    2946    96.6    61550    9932   1.101  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                        96.3     68.4     4.43    2945    99.6    61550    9629   1.121  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070                         103.9     71.4     4.63    2942    98.5    61550    9809   1.122  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903                       99.2     68.2     4.42    2940   100.0    61550    9230   1.129  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904                      107.8     73.9     4.79    2935    95.4    61550    9877   1.105  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355                        99.1     67.4     4.37    2934   100.0    61550    9234   1.125  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905                      112.0     77.3     5.01    2925    93.7    56447   10409   1.139  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4955 Enduron                   111.4     75.4     4.88    2923    94.7    61550    9882   1.106  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12                  112.0     83.1     5.39    2922    93.8    54820   10823   1.145  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065                         102.5     69.7     4.52    2921    99.2    61550    9486   1.123  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100                      112.0     77.9     5.05    2917    98.6    57989    9857   1.152  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-23                 112.0     76.2     4.94    2917    99.8    52425   10159   1.173
PB Clermont PCL 517                112.0     83.1     5.39    2915    93.5    54514   10813   1.148  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7                    90.9     67.8     4.39    2915    99.6    61550    9283   1.124  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7                         101.1     69.0     4.47    2914    97.8    61550    9573   1.119  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907                      101.1     69.0     4.47    2914    97.8    61550    9573   1.119  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6                        91.9     65.9     4.27    2913   100.0    61550    8726   1.133  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC                        97.9     69.1     4.47    2913    97.8    61550    9566   1.119  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP15                        112.0     77.0     4.99    2911    95.0    52906   10695   1.170
Winchester WXR                     112.0     77.0     4.99    2911    95.0    52906   10695   1.170
Accurate 4064                       96.7     65.8     4.26    2910   100.0    61550    8719   1.150  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S361                       106.4     78.8     5.11    2897    94.4    61550    9619   1.117  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495                       91.0     61.9     4.01    2884   100.0    61550    8381   1.157  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831                      112.0     75.7     4.90    2874    93.0    56143    9927   1.143  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901                       91.0     60.1     3.90    2867   100.0    61550    8368   1.141  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828                           112.0     75.7     4.90    2864    92.5    51650   10441   1.177
ADI AP 2214                        112.0     80.8     5.24    2864    92.7    54378   10284   1.153  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation       112.0     79.4     5.15    2864    90.5    55190   10160   1.150  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165                    112.0     77.0     4.99    2849    96.1    54778    9578   1.162  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25                 112.0     77.5     5.02    2845    97.4    47753   10611   1.218
Vihtavuori N160                    112.0     74.7     4.84    2835    94.1    56033    9434   1.153  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S071                         112.0     73.6     4.77    2735    96.5    46704    9443   1.271
Bofors RP30                        112.0     77.9     5.05    2733    90.2    42699   10393   1.288
Norma MRP 2                        112.0     77.9     5.05    2733    90.2    42699   10393   1.288
IMR 7977 Enduron                   112.0     77.0     4.99    2725    83.8    55245    8754   1.171  ! Near Maximum !
 
Thanks guys! I'm just going to look for the best accuracy but about 2850-2900 with this bullet. I "may" try to push the 200AB a bit faster but hey, I don't like exit holes bigger than a silver dollar on anything I shoot, from antelope /deer, hogs, to elk. I've read good results with the older 200BT ( I have a wad now) even at 2900-3000 on elk size game. I would only shoot deer with this rifle "to get it Bloody", so to speak, but hogs are more on the agenda as is cow elk) BTW, nice shooting Uncle Roger!

Dr Mike- you ever use that N560 in the 338WM (or comparable?) I know you do in your 280, now that I found some, I have no .280! :)
 
I've used N560 on quite a variety of cartridges, but never on the 338WM. It would work, but it would be quite a compressed charge.

Cartridge : .338 Win Mag.
Bullet : .338, 200, Nosler AccuBond 56382
Useable Case Capaci: 74.992 grain H2O = 4.869 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Vihtavuori N560

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Code:
Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0  102    72.09   2703    3245   42424  10017     88.5    1.293
-09.0  103    72.89   2738    3330   43995  10165     89.3    1.271
-08.0  104    73.69   2774    3416   45635  10310     90.0    1.249
-07.0  105    74.49   2809    3504   47344  10452     90.7    1.228
-06.0  107    75.29   2844    3593   49125  10590     91.3    1.207
-05.0  108    76.10   2880    3683   50985  10725     92.0    1.187
-04.0  109    76.90   2916    3776   52927  10855     92.6    1.167
-03.0  110    77.70   2952    3869   54955  10981     93.2    1.147  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  111    78.50   2988    3964   57075  11103     93.8    1.127  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0  112    79.30   3024    4060   59292  11221     94.4    1.108  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  113    80.10   3060    4158   61609  11333     94.9    1.089  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0  115    80.90   3096    4258   64037  11440     95.4    1.070  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0  116    81.70   3133    4359   66580  11542     95.9    1.052  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0  117    82.50   3169    4461   69246  11639     96.4    1.034  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  118    83.30   3206    4565   72043  11730     96.8    1.016  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  119    84.11   3243    4670   74979  11814     97.2    0.999  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 113 80.10 3245 4676 75614 11410 99.4 1.000 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 113 80.10 2823 3539 49637 10593 86.0 1.203
 
I'm sure its a long bullet. I feel if I can get it to at least 2650 or so with accuracy I'm good. Its not a bullet I would do a lot of plinking with either, but I couldn't pass up the price! ha I figure I can always find 250pts to try later. I'm tempted to try the 300 Woodleigh round nose for timber elk/big hogs up to 250yds, Got any data for that one?
 
I’ve always used 76.5-77 grains of RL19 in WW brass and CCI250’s for 2950-3050 depending on the gun with the 200 grain AccuBond. It’s been pretty danged accurate as well. Same charge and load for the incredible 210 Partitions.

This year I’m using 72 grains of RL17 for 2934 FPS with the 210 Swift and its another very accurate load.
 
Preacher, the 200g Nosler BT is an excellant elk bullet, I run mine at 3080fps with WIN brass and F215 primer and RL17, I will be taking this load and 200acc load at same velocity on my early bull hunt in Arizona on Oct, 6.
 
69gto":ptvou41r said:
Preacher, the 200g Nosler BT is an excellant elk bullet, I run mine at 3080fps with WIN brass and F215 primer and RL17, I will be taking this load and 200acc load at same velocity on my early bull hunt in Arizona on Oct, 6.
Please be sure and give us a follow up, it should be a great hunt as I have a friend who bowhunts the cedars (junipers?) down there. He sees a wad of good bulls and often gets one. Good luck to you Pard!
 
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