Reloading Info help

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you guys can give me a hand here.

Before I left Spain, I was trying to help some friends in Austria. First off you guys have it a tad easier than people in other countries do in regards to hand loading. Some countries require one to take a course, as well as other hoops you must jump through.

I told them that when someone asks for reloading help from the members of this forum they could expect 15 to 20 responses, minimum

Two questions for you reloading guru's

1. I had advised those I was trying to help that IMHO both Norma and Weatherby sold good ammo and if one wanted to use their ammo, that I did not believe they would be disappointed. A. Do you agree ? B. Who else, besides Weatherby and Norma do you use when using factory loaded ammo ?

2. I was helping them with reloading info my husband had used, but it is many years old --so would you be so kind as to share your reloading notes for the 505 Gibbs, the 9.3 x 74R and the 7 x 57R--thank you

Right now they can buy from Norma, 600 gr solid and soft woodleigh for the Gibbs, 285 Oryz for the 9.3 and 156 Oryx for the 7x57. Personally this is the way I would go, but I know you fellows prefer to roll your own, so wanted to at least share your recipes with them and then they can decide which way they want to proceed--thank you
 
I'm not sure but I believe Norma loads Weatherby ammo or at least makes the brass for it and a lot of that info is a trade secret. But it is good quality ammo and if that is what's available I don't think they can go wrong using it.
One of the guys who have QL can run some numbers for you if they knew what powders would be available to your friends.
 
1. Agreed. I generally really like Federal ammo (pistol, shotgun and rifle), they typically have a good selection of third party bullet types and accuracy is generally adequate to good. Federal's Premium Safari line for the big bores is good, but their offerings are fairly limited... I'm not sure on European availability of Federal ammo, I have found some fabled Federal 280 Rem 160 grain Trophy Bonded Tips listed on a German or Dutch website last year.

I know Federal offers a solid and soft point 9.3x74R load but I don't think they have anything for the 505 Gibbs. Federal's Power-Shok and Fusion bullets, I feel, leaves a bit on the table. Federal does have a 140 grain Nosler Partition load for the 7x57 Mauser and two Power-Shok loads.

I really like the Federal Trophy Bonded Tip & Bear Claw bullets along with the Vital-Shok line of rifle ammo.

Given its availability, I wouldn't hesitate to give my blessing on the Norma ammo. That Norma 156 grain 7x57 load should be better than the Federal loadings for Red Stag sized animals.

2. Sorry, but I don't have any experience reloading those rounds. Closest I can come to the 7x57 Mauser is my 280 Remington...

As you know others with more experience will be along shortly.
 
Code:
Cartridge          : 7 x 57 R
Bullet             : .284, 156, Norma ORYX 67004
Useable Case Capaci: 55.112 grain H2O = 3.578 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.071 inch = 78.00 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 48500 psi, or 334 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

69 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 85%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant Reloder-26                 100.3     54.8     3.55    2808    99.4    48501   11189   1.271  ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP                          100.5     53.3     3.45    2767    97.4    48501   10965   1.273  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25                 108.1     54.6     3.54    2765    99.0    48501   10772   1.267  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 60                   90.3     48.1     3.12    2756   100.0    48501    9895   1.268  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 70                   96.6     52.3     3.39    2743    97.7    48501   10617   1.267  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560                    101.8     52.8     3.42    2740    93.5    48501   10867   1.274  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-23                 105.0     52.2     3.38    2738    99.9    48501   10020   1.279  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17                  89.3     47.6     3.08    2734   100.0    48501    9830   1.276  ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17                            89.3     47.6     3.08    2734   100.0    48501    9830   1.276  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO                    102.5     55.4     3.59    2732    91.6    48501   10878   1.279  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22                 102.1     52.4     3.40    2731    95.8    48501   10621   1.278  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15                       102.1     52.4     3.40    2731    95.8    48501   10621   1.278  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation       102.1     52.4     3.40    2731    95.8    48501   10621   1.278  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR                     104.8     52.7     3.41    2730    95.7    48501   10620   1.279  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP15                        104.8     52.7     3.41    2730    95.7    48501   10620   1.279  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12                  105.0     56.9     3.69    2730    94.3    48501   10807   1.268  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517                105.2     57.0     3.70    2729    94.2    48501   10816   1.268  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP30                        110.0     55.9     3.62    2723    94.2    46472   10970   1.300  ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 2                        110.0     55.9     3.62    2723    94.2    46472   10970   1.300  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828                           105.9     52.3     3.39    2717    93.8    48501   10514   1.269  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC                       100.2     52.3     3.39    2717    93.8    48501   10514   1.269  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365                        96.1     48.5     3.15    2715   100.0    48501    9414   1.288  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-16                  95.6     47.3     3.06    2709    99.8    48501    9704   1.288  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum                     102.5     56.7     3.67    2707    96.3    48501   10290   1.271  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 62                   92.8     49.4     3.20    2702    99.2    48501    9888   1.298  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213                        100.9     51.8     3.36    2701    93.6    48501   10369   1.269  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 518                 94.5     49.6     3.21    2693    97.9    48501    9960   1.285  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511                 90.7     49.1     3.18    2692    98.2    48501    9911   1.287  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter                      93.7     49.2     3.19    2691    98.2    48501    9898   1.287  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905                      103.2     52.0     3.37    2690    93.5    48501   10185   1.282  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 2214                        105.1     55.4     3.59    2684    93.5    48501   10290   1.269  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19                  98.0     49.8     3.23    2683    95.7    48501   10007   1.281  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                        88.3     47.4     3.07    2680    97.4    48501    9831   1.292  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                      88.3     47.4     3.07    2680    97.4    48501    9831   1.292  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209                         97.5     49.2     3.19    2679    95.4    48501    9930   1.275  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation          98.8     50.2     3.25    2677    95.6    48501    9938   1.282  ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP                           93.0     46.8     3.03    2675    99.3    48501    9567   1.296  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation          93.1     46.8     3.03    2675    99.3    48501    9564   1.296  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350                       92.8     47.2     3.06    2675    99.4    48501    9609   1.316  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550                     90.2     46.8     3.03    2672    99.2    48501    9648   1.303  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2217                        110.0     55.3     3.58    2666    93.1    47648   10199   1.280  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H1000                      110.0     55.3     3.58    2666    93.1    47648   10199   1.280  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation       104.2     54.0     3.50    2661    90.8    48501   10046   1.276  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831                            97.8     47.6     3.08    2661    99.4    48501    9396   1.306  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4                         95.9     48.7     3.16    2658    95.4    48501    9714   1.284  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204                           92.9     48.7     3.16    2658    95.4    48501    9714   1.284  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation           95.9     48.7     3.16    2658    95.4    48501    9714   1.284  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100                      102.4     52.0     3.37    2657    98.2    48501    9611   1.316  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S071                         108.2     52.0     3.37    2657    98.2    48501    9611   1.316  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 11                   86.5     45.4     2.94    2657    99.8    48501    9203   1.296  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385                        98.5     50.6     3.28    2655    96.7    48501    9678   1.305  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                 95.8     47.1     3.05    2652   100.0    48501    8908   1.292  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831                      103.4     51.1     3.31    2650    93.0    48501    9731   1.281  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC                    99.4     51.1     3.31    2650    93.0    48501    9731   1.281  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780              97.3     52.1     3.38    2644    95.4    48501    9557   1.286  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165                    104.0     52.3     3.39    2644    96.3    48501    9449   1.290  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation        93.5     48.2     3.13    2642    97.1    48501    9478   1.300  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3                          85.8     44.1     2.86    2630   100.0    48501    8889   1.324  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                       85.8     44.1     2.86    2630   100.0    48501    8889   1.324  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                        85.4     44.3     2.87    2626    99.0    48501    9137   1.313  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903                       87.7     44.1     2.86    2624   100.0    48501    8826   1.323  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070                          92.3     46.4     3.00    2624    97.5    48501    9298   1.314  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904                       96.4     48.3     3.13    2623    94.1    48501    9372   1.291  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320                            85.7     42.8     2.78    2622    99.8    48501    8728   1.290  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350                       94.8     47.1     3.05    2621    96.7    48501    9206   1.294  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350                            93.0     47.0     3.04    2621    96.8    48501    9193   1.294  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7 NT ~approximation        87.2     44.7     2.90    2618    97.7    48501    8983   1.280  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355                        87.5     43.5     2.82    2617   100.0    48501    8790   1.317  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4955 Enduron                    99.7     49.3     3.19    2612    93.3    48501    9360   1.291  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160                    103.1     50.2     3.26    2611    93.9    48501    9225   1.292  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Retumbo                    110.0     56.2     3.64    2608    94.8    41142   10733   1.369
ADI AR 2225                        110.0     56.2     3.64    2608    94.8    41142   10733   1.369
ReloadSwiss RS 50                   85.2     45.0     2.92    2607    97.9    48501    9011   1.307  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065                          90.9     45.2     2.93    2605    98.5    48501    8993   1.315  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET                      86.2     42.4     2.74    2600    99.6    48501    8679   1.297  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2208                         85.9     42.4     2.74    2600    99.6    48501    8679   1.297  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4451 Enduron                    88.4     44.4     2.87    2600    97.2    48501    8980   1.295  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3 NT ~approximation        88.7     44.8     2.90    2600    98.5    48501    8810   1.294  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7                          89.9     44.8     2.90    2599    96.8    48501    9056   1.309  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907                       89.9     44.8     2.90    2599    96.8    48501    9056   1.309  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC                        87.0     44.8     2.91    2598    96.8    48501    9048   1.310  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S361                        95.6     51.7     3.35    2594    93.0    48501    9173   1.303  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4064                            86.7     41.6     2.69    2593    99.7    48501    8529   1.303  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N150                     92.5     44.3     2.87    2586   100.0    48501    8282   1.314  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4166 Enduron                    87.5     42.6     2.76    2576    97.3    48501    8686   1.301  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D100                         110.0     60.1     3.90    2566    81.5    47685    9297   1.301  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2700                       87.2     46.2     3.00    2556    96.5    48501    8553   1.314  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N135                     88.4     40.7     2.64    2552   100.0    48501    7568   1.325  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7977 Enduron                   104.4     52.4     3.40    2532    84.2    48501    8695   1.300  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N170                    110.0     55.3     3.58    2517    84.6    42763    9375   1.379  ! Near Maximum !
 
Code:
Cartridge          : 9.3 x 74 R
Bullet             : .366, 285, Norma ORYX 69308
Useable Case Capaci: 71.016 grain H2O = 4.611 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.720 inch = 94.49 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 48500 psi, or 334 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

40 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 85%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant Reloder-26                 106.8     75.2     4.87    2544    98.7    48501    9736   1.293  ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP                          106.9     73.0     4.73    2502    96.1    48501    9454   1.299  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 60                   96.1     66.0     4.28    2498   100.0    48501    8638   1.297  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17                  95.2     65.4     4.24    2481    99.9    48501    8570   1.303  ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17                            95.2     65.4     4.24    2481    99.9    48501    8570   1.303  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365                       102.8     67.0     4.34    2473   100.0    48501    8224   1.309  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560                    108.1     72.3     4.68    2471    91.7    48501    9277   1.304  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 70                  102.4     71.4     4.63    2470    96.4    48501    9117   1.300  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15                       108.6     71.8     4.66    2469    94.4    48501    9120   1.306  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22                 108.6     71.8     4.66    2469    94.4    48501    9120   1.306  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation       108.6     71.8     4.66    2469    94.4    48501    9120   1.306  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-16                 102.2     65.2     4.22    2464    99.5    48501    8439   1.312  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO                    108.9     75.8     4.91    2463    89.6    48501    9262   1.307  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 62                   99.4     68.2     4.42    2461    98.7    48501    8592   1.319  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 518                100.7     68.1     4.41    2441    96.9    48501    8596   1.314  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511                 96.7     67.4     4.37    2441    97.3    48501    8562   1.314  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter                      99.9     67.5     4.37    2440    97.3    48501    8550   1.314  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-23                 110.0     70.4     4.56    2440    99.3    45761    8652   1.337  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC                       106.0     71.3     4.62    2439    91.8    48501    8917   1.304  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350                       99.3     65.0     4.21    2433    98.9    48501    8334   1.339  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP15                        110.0     71.2     4.62    2431    93.5    46337    8987   1.334  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR                     110.0     71.2     4.62    2431    93.5    46337    8987   1.334  ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP                           99.3     64.3     4.17    2430    98.8    48501    8291   1.323  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                      94.2     65.2     4.22    2430    96.5    48501    8467   1.320  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                        94.2     65.2     4.22    2430    96.5    48501    8467   1.320  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation          99.3     64.3     4.17    2430    98.8    48501    8289   1.323  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum                     108.2     77.1     5.00    2427    94.3    48501    8758   1.305  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550                     96.2     64.3     4.17    2426    98.6    48501    8366   1.331  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905                      109.5     71.1     4.61    2426    91.8    48501    8676   1.312  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213                        106.6     70.5     4.57    2424    91.6    48501    8792   1.306  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19                 104.1     68.2     4.42    2424    94.3    48501    8572   1.314  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12                  110.0     76.9     4.98    2418    91.4    47082    9071   1.320  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation         104.9     68.6     4.45    2418    94.2    48501    8508   1.314  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831                           104.4     65.5     4.24    2417    98.9    48501    8144   1.332  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 52                   90.0     60.8     3.94    2416   100.0    48501    7804   1.331  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100                      109.3     71.5     4.64    2415    97.3    48501    8307   1.337  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209                        103.2     67.2     4.35    2413    93.9    48501    8468   1.310  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517                110.0     76.9     4.98    2413    91.1    46827    9058   1.324  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 11                   92.3     62.4     4.04    2412    99.5    48501    7987   1.325  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                102.2     64.7     4.19    2408    99.8    48501    7730   1.319  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Big Game                    89.3     62.3     4.04    2407    99.5    48501    7900   1.326  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385                       105.0     69.5     4.50    2407    95.6    48501    8326   1.331  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204                           98.6     66.6     4.32    2400    94.0    48501    8301   1.317  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation          101.8     66.6     4.32    2400    94.0    48501    8301   1.317  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4                        101.8     66.6     4.32    2400    94.0    48501    8301   1.317  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895                            88.3     57.8     3.75    2393    99.6    48501    7841   1.342  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation        99.5     66.1     4.28    2391    96.0    48501    8140   1.331  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                       91.6     60.6     3.93    2389    99.9    48501    7730   1.353  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3                          91.6     60.6     3.93    2389    99.9    48501    7730   1.353  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828                           110.0     70.0     4.53    2386    90.6    45468    8719   1.344  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation       109.9     73.4     4.75    2385    88.5    48501    8482   1.315  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B                          89.6     58.6     3.80    2385    99.6    48501    7761   1.343  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA11                        89.1     58.3     3.78    2384    99.3    48501    7792   1.343  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 ~approximation          89.1     58.3     3.78    2384    99.3    48501    7792   1.343  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15                  89.1     58.3     3.78    2384    99.3    48501    7792   1.343  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831                      109.4     69.6     4.51    2384    91.2    48501    8255   1.317  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC                   105.1     69.6     4.51    2384    91.2    48501    8255   1.317  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780             103.0     71.1     4.61    2383    93.9    48501    8152   1.318  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903                       93.6     60.6     3.93    2383    99.8    48501    7661   1.354  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165                    110.0     71.2     4.62    2378    94.7    47904    8054   1.328  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                        90.8     60.7     3.93    2377    98.4    48501    7874   1.346  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 2214                        110.0     74.8     4.84    2375    90.4    47296    8591   1.325  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320                            91.1     58.7     3.80    2374    99.5    48501    7532   1.324  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070                          98.1     63.5     4.12    2374    96.6    48501    7984   1.348  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25                 110.0     71.6     4.64    2373    96.0    41923    8953   1.388  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355                        93.2     59.7     3.87    2372    99.7    48501    7618   1.351  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 516                 87.2     60.8     3.94    2368    98.3    48501    7749   1.337  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895                       85.6     56.0     3.63    2368    99.8    48501    7538   1.346  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350                      100.6     64.4     4.17    2368    95.5    48501    7876   1.329  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350                            98.7     64.3     4.16    2367    95.6    48501    7866   1.329  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 3031                            88.5     54.2     3.51    2367   100.0    48501    6958   1.343  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904                      102.2     66.0     4.27    2366    92.6    48501    7981   1.325  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206H                        85.9     56.2     3.64    2365    99.5    48501    7565   1.346  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 9                    86.7     58.6     3.80    2363    99.5    48501    7538   1.340  ! Near Maximum !
Elcho TR140 - preliminary data      90.2     60.9     3.95    2363    98.5    48501    7656   1.343  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064                       91.0     58.3     3.78    2362   100.0    48501    7189   1.381  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6                        86.5     58.3     3.78    2362   100.0    48501    7200   1.359  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7 NT ~approximation        92.2     60.9     3.95    2358    96.7    48501    7669   1.320  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065                          96.5     61.8     4.00    2355    97.7    48501    7725   1.351  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4955 Enduron                   105.5     67.2     4.36    2355    91.8    48501    7968   1.327  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 50                   90.4     61.5     3.99    2355    97.0    48501    7719   1.344  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160                    109.3     68.6     4.44    2354    92.4    48501    7845   1.327  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S341                        85.4     60.2     3.90    2353    99.5    48501    7377   1.340  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7                    85.5     60.0     3.89    2351    98.3    48501    7572   1.352  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2208                         91.0     57.8     3.75    2349    99.1    48501    7469   1.336  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET                      91.3     57.8     3.75    2349    99.1    48501    7469   1.336  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S062                          89.9     57.3     3.71    2349   100.0    48501    7282   1.356  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3 NT ~approximation        94.0     61.1     3.96    2347    97.6    48501    7549   1.332  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N150                     98.4     60.8     3.94    2345   100.0    48501    7191   1.347  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N540                     88.7     58.7     3.80    2345   100.0    48501    7127   1.349  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4451 Enduron                    93.5     60.5     3.92    2344    96.1    48501    7668   1.335  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907                       95.2     61.1     3.96    2344    95.6    48501    7727   1.348  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7                          95.2     61.1     3.96    2344    95.6    48501    7727   1.348  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC                        92.2     61.2     3.97    2343    95.6    48501    7722   1.348  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4064                            91.9     56.8     3.68    2343    99.3    48501    7332   1.342  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495                       85.5     54.7     3.55    2341   100.0    48501    6863   1.391  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S361                       101.3     70.6     4.58    2338    91.4    48501    7799   1.339  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 202                           86.3     55.6     3.60    2338   100.0    48501    6959   1.353  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 201                           87.0     55.7     3.61    2337    99.9    48501    7221   1.363  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R902                       88.7     56.0     3.63    2330    99.9    48501    7135   1.364  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N140                     88.4     56.7     3.68    2319   100.0    48501    6705   1.351  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4166 Enduron                    92.3     57.9     3.75    2318    96.3    48501    7385   1.344  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N135                     94.3     56.0     3.63    2318   100.0    48501    6537   1.359  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP2 NT ~approximation        85.6     55.6     3.60    2316    99.7    48501    7021   1.344  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S060                          85.9     54.7     3.55    2306    99.5    48501    6965   1.347  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2700                       92.2     63.0     4.08    2302    95.3    48501    7272   1.355  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206                         85.3     55.2     3.58    2297    99.7    48501    6863   1.347  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S071                         110.0     68.1     4.41    2283    95.2    40425    7943   1.452
Somchem S335                        86.1     55.1     3.57    2280   100.0    48501    6408   1.368  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP30                        110.0     72.0     4.67    2274    88.1    37279    8672   1.471
Norma MRP 2                        110.0     72.0     4.67    2274    88.1    37279    8672   1.471
IMR 7977 Enduron                   109.9     71.1     4.61    2267    81.8    48501    7257   1.343  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N133                     87.5     52.4     3.40    2260   100.0    48501    6050   1.358  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H1000                      110.0     71.2     4.62    2225    86.6    39287    7979   1.445
ADI AR 2217                        110.0     71.2     4.62    2225    86.6    39287    7979   1.445
ADI AR 2225                        110.0     72.4     4.69    2161    87.4    33601    8366   1.540
Hodgdon Retumbo                    110.0     72.4     4.69    2161    87.4    33601    8366   1.540
Lovex D100                         110.0     77.5     5.02    2136    74.3    38830    7116   1.474
Vihtavuori N170                    110.0     71.2     4.62    2105    78.1    34307    7250   1.550
 
All QL shows is a magnum Gibbs

Code:
Cartridge          : .505 Mag. Gibbs
Bullet             : .505, 600, Woodleigh PP WeldCore 11A
Useable Case Capaci: 146.245 grain H2O = 9.496 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.750 inch = 95.25 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 38500 psi, or 265 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

97 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 85%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant Reloder-26                  94.9    137.5     8.91    2298    98.1    38501    9594   1.509  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma MRP                           94.7    133.2     8.63    2257    95.3    38501    9241   1.516  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma MRP 2                        105.5    142.2     9.21    2255    92.2    38501    9371   1.514  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP30                        105.5    142.2     9.21    2255    92.2    38501    9371   1.514  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-25                 101.9    136.6     8.85    2254    97.3    38501    9156   1.510  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon Retumbo                    109.2    148.0     9.59    2249    94.8    38501    9567   1.508  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2225                        109.2    148.0     9.59    2249    94.8    38501    9567   1.508  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-23                  98.8    130.4     8.45    2241    99.3    38501    8589   1.520  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 70                   90.7    130.2     8.44    2231    95.6    38501    8910   1.512  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N560                     95.6    131.7     8.54    2228    90.7    38501    9035   1.519  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate MAGPRO                     96.9    138.8     9.00    2226    88.7    38501    9082   1.521  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Raufoss RA15                        96.0    130.8     8.48    2226    93.5    38501    8888   1.522  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation        96.0    130.8     8.48    2226    93.5    38501    8888   1.522  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-22                  96.0    130.8     8.48    2226    93.5    38501    8888   1.522  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S365                        90.1    120.8     7.83    2225   100.0    38501    8069   1.529  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP15                         98.6    131.4     8.52    2224    93.3    38501    8884   1.522  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester WXR                      98.6    131.4     8.52    2224    93.3    38501    8884   1.522  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 12                   99.7    143.5     9.30    2224    91.4    38501    9113   1.510  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 517                 99.9    143.7     9.31    2223    91.2    38501    9118   1.510  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-16                  89.4    117.3     7.60    2213    99.1    38501    8206   1.531  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 62                   87.1    123.0     7.97    2210    98.1    38501    8358   1.542  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Magnum                      97.3    142.9     9.26    2210    93.8    38501    8732   1.514  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 7828 SSC                        94.2    130.4     8.45    2207    90.9    38501    8738   1.515  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 7828                            99.5    130.4     8.45    2207    90.9    38501    8738   1.515  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 518                 88.4    123.0     7.97    2195    96.1    38501    8326   1.531  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2213                         94.7    129.1     8.36    2193    90.8    38501    8601   1.516  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Hunter                      87.6    121.9     7.90    2193    96.5    38501    8278   1.532  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R905                       97.1    129.8     8.41    2190    90.9    38501    8483   1.527  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 4350                       87.0    117.3     7.60    2184    98.3    38501    8113   1.567  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AP 2214                         99.4    139.1     9.02    2182    90.3    38501    8603   1.516  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-19                  91.6    123.5     8.00    2182    93.4    38501    8302   1.528  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma URP                           86.8    115.7     7.50    2181    98.2    38501    8022   1.544  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP19 ~approximation          86.8    115.7     7.50    2181    98.2    38501    8020   1.544  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2217                        104.5    139.4     9.03    2180    90.3    38501    8577   1.516  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H1000                      104.5    139.4     9.03    2180    90.3    38501    8577   1.516  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP14 ~approximation          92.3    124.5     8.07    2177    93.3    38501    8249   1.528  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2209                         91.1    122.1     7.91    2176    93.1    38501    8228   1.522  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 3100                       96.7    130.4     8.45    2175    96.6    38501    8160   1.565  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex S071                         102.3    130.4     8.45    2175    96.6    38501    8160   1.565  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4831                            91.3    117.9     7.64    2171    98.3    38501    7904   1.556  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                 89.6    116.8     7.57    2167    99.5    38501    7554   1.537  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S385                        92.4    125.9     8.16    2164    94.7    38501    8098   1.554  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 204                           86.8    120.8     7.83    2161    93.1    38501    8050   1.532  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Raufoss RA4                         89.6    120.8     7.83    2161    93.1    38501    8050   1.532  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP4 ~approximation           89.6    120.8     7.83    2161    93.1    38501    8050   1.532  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation        97.8    134.4     8.71    2161    87.7    38501    8300   1.524  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N165                     97.8    130.4     8.45    2157    94.1    38501    7926   1.535  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester Supreme 780              91.6    130.3     8.44    2156    93.2    38501    8007   1.532  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4831                       97.0    127.1     8.24    2154    90.3    38501    8065   1.528  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4831 SC                    93.3    127.1     8.24    2154    90.3    38501    8065   1.528  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation        87.4    119.6     7.75    2150    95.2    38501    7892   1.551  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N170                    108.1    144.1     9.34    2146    83.9    38501    8221   1.545  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex S070                          85.7    114.3     7.41    2131    95.8    38501    7702   1.571  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R904                       89.9    119.5     7.74    2131    91.7    38501    7734   1.540  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4350                       88.0    116.1     7.52    2128    94.6    38501    7601   1.546  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4350                            86.4    115.8     7.50    2127    94.8    38501    7590   1.546  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N160                     96.5    124.7     8.08    2123    91.5    38501    7639   1.541  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4955 Enduron                    92.9    121.9     7.90    2121    90.8    38501    7710   1.541  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S361                        89.4    128.4     8.32    2109    90.4    38501    7597   1.555  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N150                     85.8    109.1     7.07    2107    99.9    38501    6980   1.569  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex D100                         105.2    152.5     9.88    2104    78.4    38501    7804   1.537  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 7977 Enduron                    98.0    130.7     8.47    2056    81.1    38501    7147   1.552  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
 
April,

Generally speaking, European ammunition brands are excellent quality. Norma, RWS and Lapua are top of the line. Weatherby ammunition is good quality, as is much of Federal offerings. You've received some good advice from the fellows so far, and I can add little to what is already posted.
 
Nimrod84, Dr Mike, thank you gentlemen

Rodger, I believe you are correct

Dewey, thank you, I will pass that along, appreciate the information. Also Dewey, I should have mentioned that they ( or at least some of them ) are using RWS now. But, yes, your right. I have also used them in the past and always with good results. thank you

Does anyone have any loads that you have perfected, for these calibers, that you would like to share ?
 
We do use Weatherby ammo and have never had a complaint.

I have zero knowledge of any of the calibers mentioned April. Dewey has certainly come through for you, and hopefully Homeroz, ElmerFudd and Jamila will see your thread. Perhaps there are others here who have reloading experience with those calibers as well.
 
Norma loads first quality ammunition and is the contracted provider of most of Weatherby's ammunition (and has been for decades). Quality is the same across the board.

Other European companies like RWS and Lapua do an excellent job as well. I use a lot of different factory ammunition- Federal and Nosler are the bulk of it though and I've been happy.

7x57R is the rimmed version of the 7x57 and is generally slightly downloaded over the rimless cartridge to ensure good functioning in break open actions. Data might be a bit obscure (especially in the U.S.), but you could take 7x57 starting load data and work up slowly.

Trying to get high performance ballistics from any of the rimmed cartridges is probably not where you'd want to be- sticky extraction and just plain wear and tear on a hinge gun is reason enough to stick with middling loads at most. A double will likely regulate something under full power loads with either the 7x57R or the 9.3x74R and regulating them is more important than a few more feet per second.

Norma's factory loads for the 7x57 and 7x57R vary by 50fps...and that'd be a good target to shoot for.

The Gibbs is made for a repeating rifle and if it were mine- I'd look to Kynoch for ammo. They've been loading for the Gibbs since it was new.
 
I handload all my ammo but don't have any experience with the ones listed. Sorry. But I am a big fan of Lapua and Norma brass.
Duane
 
hodgeman":2qweb5uh said:
Norma loads first quality ammunition and is the contracted provider of most of Weatherby's ammunition (and has been for decades). Quality is the same across the board.

Other European companies like RWS and Lapua do an excellent job as well. I use a lot of different factory ammunition- Federal and Nosler are the bulk of it though and I've been happy.

7x57R is the rimmed version of the 7x57 and is generally slightly downloaded over the rimless cartridge to ensure good functioning in break open actions. Data might be a bit obscure (especially in the U.S.), but you could take 7x57 starting load data and work up slowly.

Trying to get high performance ballistics from any of the rimmed cartridges is probably not where you'd want to be- sticky extraction and just plain wear and tear on a hinge gun is reason enough to stick with middling loads at most. A double will likely regulate something under full power loads with either the 7x57R or the 9.3x74R and regulating them is more important than a few more feet per second.

Norma's factory loads for the 7x57 and 7x57R vary by 50fps...and that'd be a good target to shoot for.

The Gibbs is made for a repeating rifle and if it were mine- I'd look to Kynoch for ammo. They've been loading for the Gibbs since it was new.

Hodgeman, as I told you privately, good information. Thank you. Kynoch is an excellent idea for the Gibbs. I like Norma and RWS, they both do a good job, but for the Gibbs, I believe you are spot on and will so advise them. Do you or have you used the 505 Gibbs ?

My son had one for a short time as well as the 460 Weatherby, but he sold them both. I never used either one of them. Fotis I know you like Weatherby, do you have a 460 ? Do you like it ?
 
Europe":28qwenzt said:
Do you or have you used the 505 Gibbs ?

I've shot one a friend of mine bought in a CZ (I believe CZ, I've slept since then but it wasn't a super pricey rifle)...I just shot paper, but it would have the right stuff on a critter.

It was OK- it reminded me of the .416 Rigby to some extent. Kind of an oddball big bore made for a repeater. It didn't recoil nearly as bad as I though it would.
 
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