Well, my bid failed on the "affordable" 26" 338WM, BUT...I did find a new, 22" 338 RCM for a good price, at least to start. ha Just in case, what does quickload show for powders to get these two bullets to 64K? The 22" barrel will help a little, though I am not going to try to make it a WinMag, I would like to know the "limits", and what powders gets it there, that make sense? I'm hoping I can get over 2800 with the 200 and close to 2900 with the 180, maybe? Thanks.