307 Winchester

Surveyor":3c49kooz said:
Why is there no load data for the 307 Winchester?

Where are you looking and what are you looking for? I think Nosler only has 2 real bullets for the 307, the 170gr PT and the 150gr BST.. Let me know what you are looking for, I have a few manuals that have some good 307 data. Scotty
 
Surveyor,

First off, welcome to the forum. Unfortunately, the excellent .307 never captured the imagination of the shooting public. It is an excellent cartridge chambered in a classic rifle. There is data available, but it is somewhat limited. Scotty has offered to look up in his books, and I'm certain anyone here would be pleased to provide data if you tell us what bullet you want to use and perhaps the powders you have available.
 
DrMike":2nhb0hvw said:
Surveyor,

First off, welcome to the forum. Unfortunately, the excellent .307 never captured the imagination of the shooting public. It is an excellent cartridge chambered in a classic rifle. There is data available, but it is somewhat limited. Scotty has offered to look up in his books, and I'm certain anyone here would be pleased to provide data if you tell us what bullet you want to use and perhaps the powders you have available.

I forgot to say Welcome Aboard! You are in good hands buddy! Tell us what you need and I know you will get plenty of help. Have the scanner standing by to copy if you need it! Scotty
 
Welcome as well, I'm pretty sure Hodgdon would have some data for you on their website. I had a 307 for a while nice little gun kinda wish I still had it.
 
Hang in there. From the little Ive read the 307 is a fantastic round. AS Dr Mike said, much under-rated. Somebody here will have some help for you. CL
 
Welcome aboard Surveyor!
I can't wait to see what my .307 does as well. I'm sure the other's will come up with some data for you,,,maybe me too :lol: Although, mine is on the Encore action, and made to shoot both the .307/.308.. Looking to load 2 different bullet weights in the 2 cases,,, mess around hopefully regulating them as to shoot same POI,,,,might be wishful thinkin there :lol:
But I too would be suprised if Hodgdon don't have it on their site.
Just looking at their manual, and while not always, it looks like one could go 10% below .308 Win starting. But I did see some powders that were less when cross referencing.We'll all get it figured out together shortly!
 
First I want to thank everyone for such quick response to my question.
I am looking to see if anyone has used the 170 gr. Nosler Partition in the 307WIn. I developed a load for the 170 gr boat tail soft point that Nosler made years ago for the 3030. The load data is 40 grains of WW748 powder with a Winchester LR primer. I get three quarter inch grouping at 100yds. I am now down to my last seven rounds of that bullet and working on the 170gr Partition. I tried using the same data. My grouping are no better than four inches, which is terrible. Hopefully we can come up with something. Maybe Nosler can address this problem with some testing. Thanks again :)
 
Cartridge : .307 Win.
Bullet : .308, 170, Nosler PART RN 16333
Useable Case Capaci: 44.888 grain H2O = 2.915 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.560 inch = 65.02 mm
Barrel Length : 20.0 inch = 508.0 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 60000 psi, or 413 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

92 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Ramshot BigGame 108.0 46.2 2.99 2656 98.2 60000 9330 1.011 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 106.1 46.1 2.98 2656 97.7 60000 9441 1.004 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 11 108.2 46.2 3.00 2655 98.2 60000 9317 1.011 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 109.6 48.0 3.11 2653 93.6 60000 9607 1.009 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 109.6 48.0 3.11 2653 93.6 60000 9607 1.009 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895 104.3 43.1 2.80 2643 98.4 60000 9237 1.024 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 3031 105.3 40.7 2.64 2638 100.0 60000 8369 1.020 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2 99.5 44.9 2.91 2638 99.2 60000 9093 1.024 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 748 96.9 43.1 2.80 2637 99.7 60000 8819 1.017 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 107.5 45.0 2.91 2636 99.0 60000 9085 1.030 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B 105.6 43.7 2.83 2632 98.3 60000 9120 1.025 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15 105.0 43.4 2.82 2630 97.8 60000 9133 1.025 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA11 105.0 43.4 2.82 2630 97.8 60000 9133 1.025 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 ~approximation 105.0 43.4 2.82 2630 97.8 60000 9133 1.025 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903 109.9 45.0 2.92 2628 98.8 60000 8985 1.031 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520 102.1 43.5 2.82 2618 99.9 60000 8598 1.034 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6 102.1 43.5 2.82 2618 99.9 60000 8598 1.034 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895 101.1 41.8 2.71 2617 98.8 60000 8916 1.028 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355 109.5 44.3 2.87 2617 98.7 60000 8943 1.030 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495 105.2 41.2 2.67 2611 100.0 60000 8251 1.056 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206H 101.4 42.0 2.72 2611 98.3 60000 8911 1.029 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 106.1 44.9 2.91 2610 96.4 60000 9085 1.029 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320 106.7 43.4 2.81 2610 98.1 60000 8786 1.013 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 9 102.0 43.6 2.83 2605 98.2 60000 8840 1.024 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 507 98.4 42.5 2.75 2602 99.2 60000 8681 1.026 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot TAC 95.7 42.4 2.75 2602 99.3 60000 8665 1.026 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S321 96.5 43.0 2.78 2602 99.3 60000 8715 1.031 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 516 102.1 45.0 2.92 2600 96.3 60000 8947 1.023 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 110.0 46.5 3.01 2599 95.8 55107 9458 1.052
Lovex S062 106.0 42.7 2.76 2596 99.2 60000 8623 1.035 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N540 104.4 43.7 2.83 2596 100.0 60000 8487 1.029 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H335 92.0 41.5 2.69 2595 100.0 60000 8346 1.027 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 202 102.1 41.5 2.69 2594 100.0 60000 8336 1.032 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N530 97.3 40.5 2.62 2591 99.3 60000 8550 1.027 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S341 100.2 44.6 2.89 2590 98.1 60000 8609 1.024 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 10 91.6 40.5 2.62 2590 100.0 60000 8303 1.030 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 508 (PCL223) 91.5 40.5 2.63 2589 100.0 60000 8291 1.030 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H322 97.5 39.1 2.54 2587 100.0 60000 8061 1.024 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2219 91.6 39.1 2.54 2587 100.0 60000 8061 1.024 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET 107.1 42.9 2.78 2585 97.6 60000 8700 1.022 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2208 106.7 42.9 2.78 2585 97.6 60000 8700 1.022 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 8208 XBR 99.5 41.2 2.67 2583 99.2 60000 8461 1.028 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 201 98.1 41.5 2.69 2583 99.2 60000 8551 1.041 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7 100.0 44.4 2.88 2580 96.3 60000 8729 1.034 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4064 107.9 42.2 2.73 2580 97.8 60000 8566 1.026 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460 95.3 42.3 2.74 2577 99.6 60000 8328 1.045 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.5 95.3 42.3 2.74 2577 99.6 60000 8328 1.045 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R902 104.4 41.7 2.70 2575 99.2 60000 8442 1.042 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N140 104.2 42.3 2.74 2570 100.0 60000 8004 1.030 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7 NT ~approximation 106.9 44.6 2.89 2569 93.8 60000 8687 1.015 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3 NT ~approximation 109.3 44.9 2.91 2568 95.2 60000 8617 1.020 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901 100.4 39.5 2.56 2567 100.0 60000 8176 1.053 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.4 93.6 41.5 2.69 2564 99.6 60000 8180 1.042 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2230 93.6 41.5 2.69 2564 99.6 60000 8180 1.042 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 110.0 42.5 2.76 2560 100.0 54817 8542 1.093
IMR 4007 SSC 107.1 44.9 2.91 2559 92.7 60000 8743 1.034 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-12 97.1 41.0 2.66 2558 100.0 60000 7861 1.030 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP2 NT ~approximation 100.4 41.2 2.67 2553 98.6 60000 8240 1.029 ! Near Maximum !
SF-033 fl 91.8 38.8 2.51 2551 100.0 60000 7383 1.047 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2210 92.3 39.4 2.56 2551 99.6 60000 8094 1.033 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-10x 94.8 37.0 2.40 2547 100.0 60000 7545 1.043 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N135 110.0 41.3 2.67 2545 100.0 57180 7768 1.055 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907 110.0 44.7 2.89 2545 92.5 58863 8701 1.043 ! Near Maximum !
ADI BM2 90.3 39.8 2.58 2543 99.6 60000 8023 1.034 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Benchmark 98.1 40.0 2.59 2543 99.5 60000 8037 1.034 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S060 100.9 40.6 2.63 2540 98.3 60000 8169 1.032 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2015 96.5 38.6 2.50 2538 100.0 60000 7489 1.048 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206 100.2 41.0 2.66 2532 98.6 60000 8064 1.033 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S335 101.6 41.1 2.66 2528 100.0 60000 7655 1.045 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065 110.0 44.5 2.89 2517 94.4 55313 8658 1.072
Vihtavuori N133 103.5 39.2 2.54 2514 100.0 60000 7240 1.036 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 110.0 45.0 2.92 2513 94.5 49658 9089 1.097
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 110.0 45.0 2.92 2512 94.5 49609 9084 1.098
Bofors RP1 NT ~approximation 90.3 36.2 2.35 2508 100.0 60000 7384 1.030 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2700 107.8 46.1 2.99 2507 92.2 60000 8171 1.041 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4198 94.0 34.9 2.26 2503 100.0 60000 6983 1.031 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 110.0 47.0 3.05 2503 88.3 53336 8869 1.067
Ramshot Hunter 110.0 47.0 3.05 2503 91.8 49763 9159 1.096
Vihtavuori N130 97.5 37.7 2.44 2499 100.0 60000 7124 1.044 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4198 90.8 35.3 2.29 2497 100.0 60000 7223 1.032 ! Near Maximum !
Kazan Sunar 308W 92.9 37.6 2.44 2493 100.0 60000 7100 1.046 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070 110.0 45.0 2.92 2489 92.0 52338 8730 1.096
Vihtavuori N150 110.0 42.9 2.78 2471 98.5 51399 8199 1.099
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation 110.0 46.2 2.99 2469 90.4 50273 8702 1.099
IMR 4350 110.0 45.3 2.93 2466 90.5 51826 8486 1.087
Somchem S365 110.0 45.3 2.93 2460 96.8 44047 9103 1.150
Vihtavuori N120 91.8 34.7 2.25 2446 100.0 60000 6450 1.053 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350 110.0 44.5 2.89 2416 89.3 48677 8301 1.118
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 110.0 45.5 2.95 2409 86.3 47465 8504 1.125
Raufoss RA4 110.0 45.5 2.95 2409 86.3 47465 8504 1.125
Accurate 4350 110.0 43.5 2.82 2381 92.1 41180 8721 1.201
ADI AR 2209 110.0 45.3 2.93 2378 84.9 45680 8471 1.143
Rottweil R904 110.0 44.9 2.91 2367 84.6 46827 8101 1.138
Alliant Reloder-19 110.0 45.5 2.95 2364 85.0 43804 8508 1.165
Somchem S361 110.0 48.5 3.14 2364 83.7 48312 7969 1.131
IMR 4831 110.0 43.6 2.82 2361 92.1 41305 8472 1.198
Winchester Supreme 780 110.0 48.0 3.11 2355 85.0 46202 8170 1.142
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 110.0 45.5 2.95 2339 84.4 42819 8354 1.179
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 110.0 42.5 2.76 2329 93.8 40637 8114 1.202
Norma MRP 110.0 47.5 3.08 2328 83.7 39419 8987 1.216
Somchem S385 110.0 46.0 2.98 2322 86.2 41072 8271 1.205
IMR 7828 SSC 110.0 46.8 3.03 2295 78.8 41562 8325 1.195
Hodgdon H4831 SC 110.0 46.0 2.98 2293 80.3 42949 7920 1.182
ADI AR 2213 110.0 46.0 2.98 2275 78.6 41039 8149 1.203
Vihtavuori N560 110.0 46.5 3.01 2269 77.5 38329 8428 1.238
Raufoss RA15 110.0 46.0 2.98 2264 80.9 37526 8405 1.249
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 110.0 46.0 2.98 2264 80.9 37526 8405 1.249
Alliant Reloder-22 110.0 46.0 2.98 2264 80.9 37526 8405 1.249
Accurate MAGPRO 110.0 48.4 3.14 2222 74.0 36900 8171 1.263
Rottweil R905 110.0 45.2 2.93 2202 77.3 36542 7791 1.269
Winchester WXR 110.0 45.0 2.92 2189 78.6 34377 8034 1.297
Hodgdon H4831 110.0 44.2 2.87 2184 77.4 37437 7441 1.260
Vihtavuori N160 110.0 43.6 2.83 2176 79.8 37557 7216 1.263
Vihtavuori N165 110.0 45.0 2.92 2163 81.3 35583 7384 1.286
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation 110.0 46.4 3.01 2162 73.2 37174 7377 1.268
IMR 7828 110.0 44.2 2.87 2137 74.1 34270 7545 1.304
Ramshot Magnum (Big Boy) 110.0 48.7 3.16 2124 72.5 35060 7667 1.299
SNPE Vectan SP 12 110.0 48.6 3.15 2118 72.5 34725 7635 1.305
PB Clermont PCL 517 110.0 48.6 3.15 2112 72.1 34557 7599 1.308
Alliant Reloder-25 110.0 45.3 2.93 2107 79.0 31361 7841 1.349
ADI AP 2214 110.0 47.2 3.06 2106 72.1 35615 7226 1.293
Accurate 3100 110.0 43.0 2.79 2045 80.8 28046 7238 1.413
Norma MRP 2 110.0 45.5 2.95 1994 69.3 27531 7196 1.442
Hodgdon H1000 110.0 45.0 2.92 1968 67.3 29798 6475 1.394
Vihtavuori N570 110.0 48.0 3.11 1925 57.8 27187 6653 1.457
Lovex D100 110.0 49.0 3.17 1891 57.9 29191 5778 1.433
Hodgdon Retumbo 110.0 45.8 2.97 1881 64.1 25375 6312 1.510
Vihtavuori N170 110.0 45.0 2.92 1870 61.8 25400 6008 1.511
Vihtavuori 24N41 110.0 48.5 3.14 1846 52.6 27626 5572 1.468
Vihtavuori N32C Tin Star 99.3 20.5 1.33 1805 100.0 60000 3008 1.203 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2218 110.0 48.5 3.14 1793 48.3 25818 5330 1.511
Hodgdon H870 110.0 47.0 3.05 1749 53.0 21960 5575 1.606
Hodgdon 50BMG 110.0 46.2 2.99 1706 45.9 22377 4948 1.603
Hodgdon US 869 110.0 48.5 3.14 1690 47.5 22045 4895 1.619
SNPE Vectan SP 13 110.0 46.5 3.01 1642 50.0 19697 4844 1.694
Alliant Reloder-50 110.0 49.2 3.19 1642 46.3 19183 5174 1.697
PB Clermont PCL 513/520/9520 110.0 46.5 3.01 1597 46.8 18769 4521 1.732
Accurate 8700 110.0 46.6 3.02 1562 44.2 18757 4154 1.743
Vihtavuori 20N29 110.0 49.0 3.17 1559 42.6 18582 4293 1.745
IMR TrailBoss 110.0 15.3 0.99 1546 100.0 37676 2342 1.464
ADI AS 25 BP 110.0 15.3 0.99 1546 100.0 37676 2342 1.464
NC A3502 ,test only 110.0 44.5 2.89 1528 33.5 19527 3375 1.729
TLP A 502(RH) ,test only 110.0 44.5 2.89 1498 35.1 17926 3465 1.786
V1734 7-multiperf ,test only 110.0 44.5 2.89 1097 16.6 10913 1637 2.354
 
Is 60,000PSI safe in the M94 BB's? Just wondering.. Seems like that is really smoking! Scotty
 
Surveyor":1of3wb9a said:
First I want to thank everyone for such quick response to my question.
I am looking to see if anyone has used the 170 gr. Nosler Partition in the 307WIn. I developed a load for the 170 gr boat tail soft point that Nosler made years ago for the 3030. The load data is 40 grains of WW748 powder with a Winchester LR primer. I get three quarter inch grouping at 100yds. I am now down to my last seven rounds of that bullet and working on the 170gr Partition. I tried using the same data. My grouping are no better than four inches, which is terrible. Hopefully we can come up with something. Maybe Nosler can address this problem with some testing. Thanks again :)


You are using your 30-30 data in teh .307...or did I misread that?
But sorry, no experience using WW748.
If I were to use the 170 PT, I would likely start with Varget or RL15
 
beretzs":2wj2xp80 said:
Is 60,000PSI safe in the M94 BB's? Just wondering.. Seems like that is really smoking! Scotty

Hmmm, I wonder too. I had in the back of my mind, that the BigBore rifles ran in the 42-44000 psi range,,,,maybe 46000. But 60000 :?:
 
SAAMI pressure limits were set at 52000 CUP, which is roughly equivalent to 60000 PSI.
 
onesonek":2fdg3bbe said:
Surveyor":2fdg3bbe said:
First I want to thank everyone for such quick response to my question.
I am looking to see if anyone has used the 170 gr. Nosler Partition in the 307WIn. I developed a load for the 170 gr boat tail soft point that Nosler made years ago for the 3030. The load data is 40 grains of WW748 powder with a Winchester LR primer. I get three quarter inch grouping at 100yds. I am now down to my last seven rounds of that bullet and working on the 170gr Partition. I tried using the same data. My grouping are no better than four inches, which is terrible. Hopefully we can come up with something. Maybe Nosler can address this problem with some testing. Thanks again :)


You are using your 30-30 data in teh .307...or did I misread that?
But sorry, no experience using WW748.
If I were to use the 170 PT, I would likely start with Varget or RL15
 
DrMike":33abtc4j said:
SAAMI pressure limits were set at 52000 CUP, which is roughly equivalent to 60000 PSI.

YUP

60191 psi
 
DrMike":2kpgt2re said:
SAAMI pressure limits were set at 52000 CUP, which is roughly equivalent to 60000 PSI.

Ok, thanks Doc!
Just wasnt sure nor up to speed on the BB 94.
 
DrMike":23jlg5u8 said:
SAAMI pressure limits were set at 52000 CUP, which is roughly equivalent to 60000 PSI.

Wow! That really would make that 307 and 170gr PT rock! Scotty
 
beretzs":3tn7kzvn said:
DrMike":3tn7kzvn said:
SAAMI pressure limits were set at 52000 CUP, which is roughly equivalent to 60000 PSI.

Wow! That really would make that 307 and 170gr PT rock! Scotty

Why did I ever sell the one I had especially with a 170 PT available? Makes you wonder why it wasn't a commercial success especially when it out performs the 30-30.
 
The 307 will rock and could have a come back if for instance Winchester would make available their
308 flat point bullet. Next the bullet manufactures create a few more premium 150gr, 170gr and 180gr. bullets for the 307 ( with data). I noticed somewhere the 307 was being compared as an equal to a 300 Savage and very close to the 308, well if that's the case the 307 should be around for a very long while. Maybe I am just babbling to hear myself. what do you think, am I just wasting my time talking about it???????????????
 
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