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 Post subject: New Double Rifle decision
PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:18 pm 

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I was ask a question which I have answered but I also ask if I could ask you fellows, as when someone here starts a, which rifle to buy thread, they get like 50 responses

I was given permission as long as I leave out certain parts of the question/statement as it was sent too me, which I have done

Which caliber, manufacturer, lock system, would you buy and why

Westley Richards sidelock, 375 Flanged,

H & H round action/sidelock / hand detachable
450/400,

Rigby "Rising Bite" 416 sidelock

If someone here prefers the Drop lock or Box lock, please explain why as maybe something has changed that we dont know about

thanks

I should add, none of these calibers will be too much recoil and will be enough gun for the purpose intended


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:48 pm 
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Wish I can help but I have very little knowledge of double rifles.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:25 pm 

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I can't say either, other then all three are World Class gun makers of fine doubles. I'd pick the best value based on its face market value of the merchandise and condition?

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:47 pm 

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this is way above my pay grade both figuratively and in factually---But when time permits I will try to look some them up


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:40 pm 

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If anyone is interested try here:

https://www.wrusedguns.com/view/rifles/

FOTIS.... They have a very beautiful Wby in 378 w/a Leupold scope in QD bases/rings for $1,500.00 pounds you should check out? I think you would love it! Super nice wood!

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That is a question I WISH I could help answer.

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I am looking forward to following this post because I know absolutely nothing about doubles.


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Ok I don't know anything about double rifles and very little about the cartridges they are chambered in.
With saying that I would think I would get the H&H because of the side locks which are easy to access for repairs and what I believe by the description to be hand disassembled meaning you can break it down like a double shot gun by removing the forearm by a simple lever or button release mechanism with out tools for cleaning.
And caliber would be 375 Flanged since that is probably as much horse power as I want to deal with.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:21 pm 

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I'd get a Heym "PH"....plain sort of working gun. No engraving.

Likely get it in .375 H&H or 450/400 since it would be regulated with Hornady ammunition that I can get pretty easily (comparatively). I don't really hunt big DG... but still, classy.

I'd also want that set of matching 20ga barrels since we're dreaming big!

I've looked at such a rifle... but it's ultimately too spendy for my wallet. A few years ago I saw a used one in Fairbanks in .470N.E...very businesslike. I liked it, except for the price.

I should have bought it...it'd easily be worthy several thousand more than the price tag now.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:57 pm 

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I've owned, or had possession of only one for a few years. A 577 NE. Wasn't all that bad to shoot but you did have to hang on. That being said and considering the intended purpose, I would keep things as clean and simple as possible. I think I too would go with Heyms PH. In 450/400 or 470. But hell, unless I win the lottery I'll never own one.... but if I do


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I wish someone like Henry would make one in 45/70 in the more affordable range. I'd love to have one. Maybe it's something that can't be mass produced.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:55 pm 

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I wish someone like Henry would make one in 45/70 in the more affordable range. I'd love to have one. Maybe it's something that can't be mass produced.


I think it could be mass produced, but the market just isn't there to make tooling up worthwhile...much like double barrel SxS shotguns. Lots of folks want one, much fewer actually buy them. The folks who make them stay busy, but it's unlikely they are very profitable until you get into the high end guns. The numbers to bring the price down to mass market levels just aren't there.

It's the product for a connoisseur, not the mass market for the most part.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:13 am 

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Europe wrote:
I was ask a question which I have answered but I also ask if I could ask you fellows, as when someone here starts a, which rifle to buy thread, they get like 50 responses

I was given permission as long as I leave out certain parts of the question/statement as it was sent too me, which I have done

Which caliber, manufacturer, lock system, would you buy and why

Westley Richards sidelock, 375 Flanged,

H & H round action/sidelock / hand detachable
450/400,

Rigby "Rising Bite" 416 sidelock

If someone here prefers the Drop lock or Box lock, please explain why as maybe something has changed that we dont know about

thanks

I should add, none of these calibers will be too much recoil and will be enough gun for the purpose intended

This is the one I would choose.
https://www.johnrigbyandco.com/guns/the-rising-bite/

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:48 am 

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Wow, stopping for a power ball ticket today.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:31 am 

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Ken, that is the one I recommended as well

Hodgeman--they make an excellent working mans double and they are very well made. They have been discussed, but when push came to shove the three mentioned were in the lead. Also in reference to shotguns, think "Connecticut" LOL

Rodger, thank you. We can't change the calibers, as the ones mentioned are all finished and ready to go out the door. We could, of course, get any of them in whatever caliber we want, but it would be 2019, before we got them.

Thanks guys, appreciate the input ---especially salmon chaser.( power ball ticket ) which is a good idea, but fortunately for me, I am not paying for this rifle.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:15 am 

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Do they only shoot two rounds at a time?

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Elkman wrote:
Do they only shoot two rounds at a time?
Ha Ha Ha that's a good one and I sure wouldn't want to be behind one when they do. I've had a 12ga double barrel shot gun double up on me and that was no fun.

April I miss read your post and yeah I would agree with you on the Rigby in 416.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:30 am 

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hodgeman wrote:
gbflyer wrote:
I wish someone like Henry would make one in 45/70 in the more affordable range. I'd love to have one. Maybe it's something that can't be mass produced.


I think it could be mass produced, but the market just isn't there to make tooling up worthwhile...much like double barrel SxS shotguns. Lots of folks want one, much fewer actually buy them. The folks who make them stay busy, but it's unlikely they are very profitable until you get into the high end guns. The numbers to bring the price down to mass market levels just aren't there.

It's the product for a connoisseur, not the mass market for the most part.


No doubt you're correct sir. There are the Baikal double rifles, imported by various makers, even Remington for a time. They look like they were built in a high school ag shop and I've not heard good reports about QC.

Fun conversation. Nothing like dreaming of double rifles and beautiful French walnut.


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Elkman wrote:
Do they only shoot two rounds at a time?


and at the same time, on occasion . The conventional wisdom is front trigger first and then back trigger. But some shoot the back trigger first so as to eliminate any chance of firing them both, and it does happen and when it does it gets ones attention.

As to firing two shots and then needing a third and fourth --with practice it can be done very quickly--or--one can do what Aleena does and has her gun bearer carry two rifles and when the she shoots both barrels of the first rifle, he hands her the second rifle. My husband and I were lucky to have one used rifle, so we never tried the gun bearer trick. Well actually we never even had a gun bearer, but those doubles weight so much, it is not a bad idea

I can not resist----the doubles in question do not come in stainless and synthetic stock!!!lol thank God---you guys and your dislike for walnut )-:


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Elkman wrote:
Do they only shoot two rounds at a time?


There are stories in the Peter Capstick books about loosing both barrels. I cannot imagine the bruise.


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A stainless steel and synthetic stocked double rifle,might as well eat peach ice cream with sauerkraut.

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A stainless steel and synthetic stocked double rifle,might as well eat peach ice cream with sauerkraut.
Hmmm that might be right tasty. You may have something there. :grin:


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:16 pm 

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:57 pm 

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gbflyer wrote:
No doubt you're correct sir. There are the Baikal double rifles, imported by various makers, even Remington for a time. They look like they were built in a high school ag shop and I've not heard good reports about QC.

Fun conversation. Nothing like dreaming of double rifles and beautiful French walnut.


A friend of mine had one of the Baikals in 45-70.... high school ag shop is (if anything) too kind.

There was a lot of interest and speculation in Ruger producing one back when they made the Gold Label shotgun. Unfortunately the rifle never appeared and the shotgun vanished after a brief appearance in the catalog.


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