.25-06 Remington performance 22" Barrel vs 24" Barrel

[Larry in SD]

Yesterday I put a Stevens .25-06 on lay a way. Currently the only rifle I own is a DPMS 16" Oracle .223 that I use for work and calling Coyotes. For that it is working quite well. However it is not what I would call an ideal Deer Rifle or Cartridge. I had thought about just buying another upper receiver assembly in a cartridge more suited for Deer Hunting but stumbled onto this Stevens .25-06.

I have had and hunted with several different cartridges / calibers over the past 36 years but have never had a .25-06. Most all of the data I see for the .25-06 is for 24" Barrels. This particular Stevens .25-06 has a 22" Barrel. Now I fully realize that velocity isn't everything and that accuracy is far more important as is the particular bullet used.

I am just wondering if anyone is shooting a .25-06 from a 22" Barrel and what you favorite loads are and their velocities.

Thanks

Larry

 

[FOTIS]

Never had a 25-06 without a 24" tube personally.

That said I doubt you will ever see any difference.

 

[DrMike]

I would anticipate about 25-70 fps differential in the two barrel lengths.

 

[SJB358]

I don't think you'll notice too awful much. I wouldn't be scared of a 25-06 with a 22" barrel. Bet you could still run 115 PT's or BT's over 3000 without any drama.

Cartridge : .25-06 Rem.
Bullet : .257, 115, Nosler BalTip 25115
Useable Case Capaci: 60.107 grain H2O = 3.903 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.250 inch = 82.55 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 63000 psi, or 434 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

165 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant Reloder 33 110.0 67.0 4.34 3179 95.3 62394 16388 1.069 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N570 110.0 64.3 4.16 3175 94.2 61156 16581 1.077 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25 107.8 59.4 3.85 3163 100.0 63000 14466 1.061 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 99.8 57.7 3.74 3158 99.8 63000 15018 1.071 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 2 110.0 60.9 3.95 3157 98.7 63000 15380 1.074 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum 104.0 61.7 4.00 3156 98.7 63000 15103 1.058 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517 104.4 61.7 4.00 3155 98.7 63000 15089 1.058 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 101.6 57.5 3.73 3154 97.8 63000 15343 1.065 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12 104.2 61.6 3.99 3154 98.7 63000 15065 1.059 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 106.1 57.2 3.70 3148 98.2 63000 14909 1.054 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 100.4 57.2 3.70 3148 98.2 63000 14909 1.054 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 101.8 60.0 3.89 3141 96.5 63000 15385 1.072 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213 101.4 56.8 3.68 3134 98.1 63000 14751 1.051 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 101.9 57.1 3.70 3131 99.1 63000 14784 1.070 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 101.9 57.1 3.70 3131 99.1 63000 14784 1.070 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15 101.9 57.1 3.70 3131 99.1 63000 14784 1.070 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR 104.6 57.3 3.72 3130 99.0 63000 14795 1.070 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 2214 105.2 60.5 3.92 3126 98.5 63000 14563 1.051 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H1000 110.0 60.3 3.91 3102 98.2 61608 14458 1.062 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905 103.2 56.7 3.68 3101 97.8 63000 14426 1.068 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 98.3 54.2 3.51 3097 99.0 63000 14053 1.056 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation 105.0 59.3 3.84 3096 96.3 63000 14478 1.055 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 98.9 54.8 3.55 3093 99.0 63000 14115 1.064 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 99.6 55.2 3.58 3086 99.0 63000 14012 1.065 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 94.4 54.0 3.50 3086 100.0 63000 13687 1.071 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 96.9 53.7 3.48 3073 98.8 63000 13776 1.063 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4 96.9 53.7 3.48 3073 98.8 63000 13776 1.063 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 93.9 53.7 3.48 3073 98.8 63000 13776 1.063 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365 95.8 52.8 3.42 3070 100.0 63000 12748 1.083 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC 100.1 56.1 3.63 3069 97.5 63000 13904 1.061 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 104.1 56.1 3.63 3069 97.5 63000 13904 1.061 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 94.0 51.5 3.34 3068 100.0 63000 13139 1.075 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 94.1 51.6 3.34 3068 100.0 63000 13136 1.075 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 91.4 51.7 3.35 3067 100.0 63000 13276 1.079 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 97.4 51.6 3.34 3062 100.0 63000 13120 1.093 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385 99.0 55.5 3.59 3055 99.5 63000 13513 1.083 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation 94.6 53.2 3.45 3049 99.7 63000 13296 1.075 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 98.6 52.3 3.39 3049 100.0 63000 12863 1.084 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904 97.8 53.4 3.46 3046 98.1 63000 13455 1.063 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 97.5 57.0 3.69 3045 98.9 63000 13403 1.069 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165 104.2 57.1 3.70 3040 99.3 63000 13196 1.074 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Retumbo 110.0 61.3 3.97 3040 99.4 53895 14975 1.136
Lovex S071 107.8 56.5 3.66 3039 100.0 63000 13137 1.098 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100 107.8 56.5 3.66 3039 100.0 63000 13137 1.098 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350 96.6 52.3 3.39 3037 99.5 63000 13071 1.065 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350 94.8 52.2 3.38 3037 99.5 63000 13046 1.065 ! Near Maximum !





Cartridge : .25-06 Rem.
Bullet : .257, 115, Nosler BalTip 25115
Useable Case Capaci: 60.107 grain H2O = 3.903 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.250 inch = 82.55 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : IMR 7828 SSC

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.0 90 51.30 2794 1993 44038 13375 93.3 1.247
-09.0 91 51.87 2828 2042 45582 13552 93.9 1.226
-08.0 92 52.44 2862 2092 47183 13724 94.5 1.206
-07.0 93 53.01 2897 2143 48845 13890 95.0 1.187
-06.0 94 53.58 2931 2194 50571 14051 95.6 1.167
-05.0 95 54.15 2966 2246 52362 14205 96.1 1.148
-04.0 96 54.72 3000 2299 54222 14353 96.5 1.130
-03.0 97 55.29 3035 2352 56155 14495 97.0 1.111 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 98 55.86 3070 2406 58162 14630 97.4 1.093 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 99 56.43 3104 2460 60250 14758 97.8 1.076 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 100 57.00 3139 2516 62419 14879 98.2 1.058 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 101 57.57 3173 2571 64679 14991 98.5 1.041 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 102 58.14 3208 2627 67027 15097 98.8 1.024 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 103 58.71 3242 2684 69469 15194 99.0 1.008 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 104 59.28 3277 2741 72019 15283 99.3 0.992 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 105 59.85 3311 2799 74673 15363 99.5 0.976 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 100 57.00 3302 2784 76034 14568 100.0 0.974 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 100 57.00 2918 2174 50428 14266 91.2 1.167

 

[Vince]

I want my next 25-06 to have a 26" tube. That's just me. The 22" tube should be more than OK at traditional hunting distances.

 

[Creedmore]

I have a 22" Shilen barrel on my Mauser 98 in .25-06. Last weekend I finally had a chance to chrono the loads. 115gr Berger Hunting VLD at 2950fps.

 

[JD338]

A 22" barrel is fine but a 24" barrel is better.

JD338

 

[Larry in SD]

Thanks ever so much guys. This gives me something to go on.

Larry

 

[FOTIS]

I want my next 25-06 to have a 26" tube. That's just me. The 22" tube should be more than OK at traditional hunting distances.

And who sells one besides the BVss Savage 116 or sendero?

 

[Vince]

I'll get a custom barrel.

 

[FOTIS]

That I can see!

 

[SJB358]

That I can see!

I would really be excited to see Nosler put out an ABLR for the .257's. I could see me really liking one of those in a 25-06. Not that we don't have good bullets, but the 25-06 is a cool round. Justa very pleasant rifle to shoot with good HP to boot..

 

[JD338]

That I can see!

I would really be excited to see Nosler put out an ABLR for the .257's. I could see me really liking one of those in a 25-06. Not that we don't have good bullets, but the 25-06 is a cool round. Justa very pleasant rifle to shoot with good HP to boot..

Next year buddy. :wink:

JD338

 

[SCRUBS]

I`m running a max charge of R22 under a 117gr Hornady Innerlock/115NBT @ about 3100 out of a 22" factory Savage barrel. I also have shot a max charge of R22 with 100NBT @ around 3300fps out of it. All of these loads were sub moa and all bullets were moly`d.

A 22' tube is just fine for hunting IMHO.

 

[WYcoyote]

I have a Marlin XL7 25-06 with a 22" barrel and it's a great carry and treestand rifle.
If using a 25-06 for a longer range plains rifle a 24" would be my choice.
It just depends on the intended duty of the gun.
Either way it's a wonderful chambering.
Just load it what it shoots the best and go with it.
Mine likes 54gr. of H4831 behind 115gr. Berger HVLDs for 3050 fps.

 

[gerry]

I can't imagine it would make much difference in the field between the two.

 

[SCRUBS]

Mine likes 54gr. of H4831 behind 115gr. Berger HVLDs for 3050 fps.

I`m just starting to work with this powder to replace my R22 loads because I can find any R22. It`s encouraging that you are having such success with it.

 

[cloverleaf]

work up a load for some 110 Ab's or a BT and let her rock. The Deer will never know the difference. The 25-06 has a rep like Thor's Hammer on deer (as you probably alreadt know). CL

 

[Larry in SD]

Thanks again guys. I'll more than likely start with 115gr. Ballistic Tips as I shoot mainly ballistic tips in other cartridges. You guys have given me lots of ideas on powder also. Thanks again.

Larry

 

[Guy Miner]

Larry, I think you're going to like that 115 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip.

I've found them to be very accurate from my .25-06, and very effective on game. Last year was the first time I took game with the 115 Ballistic Tips. Two instant, one-shot kills:

Mule deer buck @ 260 yards, hit in the chest, but farther back than I'd intended. Instant drop & death.

Pronghorn antelope @ 160 yards, it in the chest. Instant drop & death.

Both bullets exited too. And accurate? Oh yeah...

Best of luck! Guy