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I load 78grs of H-4831 with nosler 165s at about 3190 fps. This is the load off the side of the can from the late 90's it groups 7/8 at 100 yards. It will kick some, but it is flat with a 0 point blank out to 300 with 2in high at 100. This may be a bit to fast for accubonds on large game like...