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...well, velocity starts changing when the bullet leaves the barrel, not much I can do about that, but when it comes to "expansion, penetration, energy", what I want in a bullet is "consistent terminal ballistics", not much interested in a bullet that works perfectly when fired @ a 'target' @...

...the "Holy Grail"... ;)

...splitting hairs between the two cartridges, but I'd check the price, options, weight, feel of the Brownings & Tikkas available in both, compare them to the Camillia...

...Gunwerks & BotW are using 7mm WSM's, a lot of the gunsmiths & shooters on WYLRS are pretty enamored w/ the 6.5 RSAUM & WSM, if it makes any difference...

...I've shot a lot of antelope, deer, bear, eik, & moose w/ GrandSlams, none of 'em complained...

...I'd hazard to guess there's a little more to the equation than just MV, things like sectional density, bullet construction & performance, retained energy, exterior & terminal ballistics all come into play when you begin a discussion on "hunting" bullets, but nuthin beats "shot placement". I'm...

...no, a Win. Mod 70., but the 160gr. HPBT SGK & 160/ 175gr. GrandSlams all feature a flat meplat that gives you some additional room for seating (mag length seems to be a recurring theme in Browning rifles) & prevents distortion from recoil. None of them are really "high B.C.", but they're good...

...Scotty, Scotty, Scotty, the 7mm 160gr. has a considerably higher S.D. than the .30 cal. 165gr., there2fer, it gonna kill stuff considerably mo'dedder, it's "Science"... :cry: :roll: :twisted: :lol: :mrgreen:

...I've been using the 160gr. HPBT SGK's in my 7mm WSM, but my favorite bullet for moose, elk, bear has always been the 175gr. GrandSlam...

...well, since we're discussing the relative merits of mor'dedder, let's throw in S.D. & compare Johnathans to Granny Smiths, in a similar bullet weight the 7mm will have a higher S.D. & penetrate better (on paper @ least), getting 3002fps w/ RL-22, I had to look. A 114% case fill??? Who's got...

...They're not the highest B.C. available, but I'm rarely shooting game past 400yds. anymore, & they've been easy to load sub-MOA w/ great terminal ballistics in all 7 rifles I've loaded 'em for. I like the Accubonds, but I really struggle to get rid of the "zingers", & adjusting powder charges...

...go berzerk, dare to be different, just think how handy this would be in .450 Marlin, or save a 1/2#, & get a .358 Win... (y) :lol: :mrgreen: http://www.browning.com/products/firear ... edown.html

...growing up hunting the "black timber" of N.ID I got into the habit of removing my sling & pocketing it, just using it when hiking out logging rds., or when I needed my hands free to drag out game. Here in WY, I use it more, as much for a hasty sling as to carry the rifle... ...I've got...

...one bullet you might consider trying is the 130gr. HPBT GameKing, w/ it's truncated meplat, it should fit mags w/o having to be seated overly deep, & still get 2300+fps MV, 1800fps/ 1000ft.lbs out to 400yds. I've used the .25 120gr. on antelope & mule deer, the 6.5mm 130gr. on mule deer, &...

...all the moose I've killed were shot w/ a 7mmRM & 175gr. GrandSlams, they ain't bullet proof, but picture, if you will, a 55gal drum set up on stilts w/ a watermelon in the bottom. If you "center punch" a moose you're shooting a lot of airspace, you've got to get in the bottom 1/2, or even...

...I know we have a few Grendel shooters here... http://www.ppu-usa.com/news/

...was Gil, I'd try some 140's, & see if I could tighten those groups up some. :) (6.5 A-Bolt, 200yds.) ...seriously, tho, there's a bunch of 6.5 Creedmoor ammo available now, w/ Nosler, Winchester, & small co.'s like Prime, Creedmoor, etc. My Browning seems to prefer 140's, 130's, to...

..."66" is out in the ;flats', a pretty deceptive term since it's more coulees, rock ribs, & benches than anything else, doesn't really have a resident elk herd, but as wolves & bears (& hunters) put more pressure on the herds in the foothills to the west they drift in. Success is almost as...

...68grs. RL-17, 200yds... ...66gr. RL-17, 180gr. GrandSlam @200yds.

...this is fairly typical for the "cow/ calf" tags around Cody, access is "fair" w/ a number of 'walk-in & hunter management areas', leftover tags are generally available in a number of units in the Cody 'foothills'...