.264 Win. Mag. Brass and Ammo

[NYDAN]

I dug out my old .264 Win. Mag. brass and ammo with the idea of putting it on the classified ads section of the forum. I found some corrosion on the necks of about 80 pieces of used brass. I have attached a couple of photos. One shows the corrosion as I found the brass. Another photo shows how it looked after I "scrubbed" it a little with a pot cleaning pad. The "fuzzy" part of the corrosion came off but the brass was still discolored. A third photo is of the label on one of the boxes of reloads. This brass and ammo is all from the late 70's and early 80's. My questions are:

1. Are the 80 pcs with neck corrosion of any value?
2. Are the 80 pcs without corrosion of any value? Most are twice fired.
3. Are the two boxes of reloads - once fired brass - of any value?
4. Is the one box of Rem. Factory loads of any value?
5. Are the old Nosler 140 gr. Partions and 140 gr. Sierra bullets of any value?
6. RCBS reloading dies?
7. What might I ask (besides being reimbursed for shipping) to get rid of the whole lot?

I am NOT looking to "make money" here. Just to find someone who could really use the stuff.

Should I just put this stufff in the classified as "free for shipping cost"?

 

[FOTIS]

Take some 0000 steel wool to those necks

 

[nvbroncrider]

Take some 0000 steel wool to those necks

+1

Warning may cause extremely sore fingers wrists and forearms. Along with compulsion to have all brass that clean. Adding a little Flitz metal polish helps too!

 

[SJB358]

I'm not sure what a good price would be but maybe dropping that brass in a tumbler for a few hours might clean them all up real nice. Can't imagine the brass is bad at all, probably just corrosion from finger oils on it.

 

[Kodiak]

Yup,

I remember using H870 in the pre '64 70 (.264) and having those dirty necks along the way. Records show I finally switched the H4831 and got by ok. As has been said, use some Flitz and steel-wool, it'll get it off.

 

[FOTIS]

or


http://www.stainlesstumblingmedia.com/

 

[JD338]

I think that the brass would clean up nice.

I sent you a PM.

JD338

 

[Divernhunter]

Or you can just box it up and ship it all to me. I will cover poastage

 

[SJB358]

Ya know Dan, I was thinking, you have been looking for a 650 yard deer killer.. Might be worth finding yourself one of them slick new Model 70's and loading them 264 cases up with some slick 130 or 140 AB's... Pretty sure you'd have an instant made killer right there.. :twisted:

 

[NYDAN]

SJB358, I was reviewing some ballistic data and it appears that if I could load my .270 Win. with a 140 gr. AB at 3,000 fps or with a 150 gr. BT at 2,900 fps I could surpass the long range energy of the Remington and Winchester factory loads for their .264 WM, 140 gr. factory loads. I could even match the long range energy of the Nosler .264 WM factory load with the 130 AB. If I can get the 150 ABLR to shoot consistently well out of my .270 Win I could surpass the long range energy of the Nosler .264 WM factory load.

The .270 Win. just might be the right cartridge for me after all.....

 

[Kodiak]

Fotis,

thanks for the link to the stainless-media Co. I will be ordering,

 

[SJB358]

SJB358, I was reviewing some ballistic data and it appears that if I could load my .270 Win. with a 140 gr. AB at 3,000 fps or with a 150 gr. BT at 2,900 fps I could surpass the long range energy of the Remington and Winchester factory loads for their .264 WM, 140 gr. factory loads. I could even match the long range energy of the Nosler .264 WM factory load with the 130 AB. If I can get the 150 ABLR to shoot consistently well out of my .270 Win I could surpass the long range energy of the Nosler .264 WM factory load.

The .270 Win. just might be the right cartridge for me after all.....

Dan, no knock on the 270 Winchester at all, but the 270 with the 140 AB or the 150ABLR still will have a hard time keeping up with a 140 AB out of a 264 at 3150 (pretty easy for a 26" rifle) or a 129 ABLR at 3300 (again, should be real easy). Granted, you have the 270 now, but the 264 will run very hard with the above bullets. It is an incredible performer when loaded up correctly. I don't think many factory loads really give what the 264 is capable of.

Again, love the 270 a bunch, but the 264 will start walking away with the increased BC and velocity. Recoil is pretty mild in the 264 as well.

Cartridge : .264 Win. Mag.
Bullet : .264, 140, Nosler AccuBond 39457
Useable Case Capaci: 74.854 grain H2O = 4.860 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 63000 psi, or 434 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

189 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
ADI AR 2218 105.1 77.2 5.00 3305 99.4 63000 16271 1.231 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N570 100.8 73.3 4.75 3262 98.9 63000 15871 1.261 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder 33 100.5 76.2 4.94 3244 99.3 63000 15569 1.265 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-50 107.0 79.8 5.17 3241 98.8 63000 15988 1.290 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H870 106.9 76.2 4.94 3235 99.7 63000 15227 1.267 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Retumbo 104.4 72.4 4.69 3214 100.0 63000 13744 1.254 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 92.6 65.3 4.23 3192 100.0 63000 14173 1.257 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 92.8 68.1 4.41 3188 99.7 63000 14404 1.265 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 2 100.0 69.0 4.47 3188 100.0 63000 14046 1.272 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum 94.8 70.1 4.54 3187 100.0 63000 13831 1.259 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517 95.2 70.1 4.54 3186 100.0 63000 13820 1.259 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12 95.0 70.0 4.54 3185 100.0 63000 13786 1.259 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 96.8 64.9 4.21 3181 100.0 63000 13698 1.247 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 91.6 64.9 4.21 3181 100.0 63000 13698 1.247 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 2214 96.5 69.2 4.48 3174 100.0 63000 13406 1.243 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 90.7 65.3 4.23 3173 100.0 63000 13531 1.267 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors 12,7mmRA NC1214 Lot20115087 107.4 78.4 5.08 3173 92.9 63000 15549 1.296 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213 92.8 64.7 4.19 3172 100.0 63000 13622 1.243 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H1000 101.5 69.3 4.49 3171 100.0 63000 13370 1.243 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori 24N41 103.9 76.4 4.95 3170 94.8 63000 14724 1.247 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon 50BMG 109.3 76.6 4.96 3167 91.4 63000 15077 1.255 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25 97.8 67.1 4.35 3162 100.0 63000 13025 1.262 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15 92.9 64.8 4.20 3159 100.0 63000 13455 1.263 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 92.9 64.8 4.20 3159 100.0 63000 13455 1.263 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 92.9 64.8 4.20 3159 100.0 63000 13455 1.263 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR 95.4 65.1 4.22 3159 100.0 63000 13483 1.263 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon US 869 109.0 80.1 5.19 3158 94.8 63000 14755 1.261 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation 96.5 67.9 4.40 3150 99.6 63000 13692 1.243 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905 94.3 64.6 4.19 3141 100.0 63000 13370 1.259 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 90.1 61.8 4.01 3128 100.0 63000 12857 1.246 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 90.5 62.5 4.05 3124 100.0 63000 12905 1.253 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 13 110.0 77.6 5.03 3120 98.1 60691 14250 1.293 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori 20N29 110.0 81.7 5.29 3120 96.3 59412 14741 1.305 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 91.2 62.9 4.08 3118 100.0 63000 12821 1.253 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC 91.9 64.1 4.16 3114 99.9 63000 12986 1.250 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 95.7 64.1 4.16 3114 99.9 63000 12986 1.250 ! Near Maximum !


The 264 was made for those long shots.. I hear an angel gets it's wings everytime a 264 is laid upon a NY deer's back.. :lol:

 

[DrMike]

The 264 was made for those long shots.. I hear an angel gets it's wings everytime a 264 is laid upon a NY deer's back.. :lol:

Lo, thus it is written in the Book of Scotty! :grin:

 

[SJB358]

The 264 was made for those long shots.. I hear an angel gets it's wings everytime a 264 is laid upon a NY deer's back.. :lol:

Lo, thus it is written in the Book of Scotty! :grin:

HA! Just trying to make sure Dan understands the truly awesome 264... I know there are a few that overlook it... :lol:

 

[NYDAN]

O.K., O.K., I surrender. Remember, I was sold on the .264 WM 35 years ago. So, SJB358 (is your name Scotty?), What about holding out for the new 26 Nosler instead of the .264 WM?

 

[nvbroncrider]

Well Dan I think you made your choice!! If fast and flat is good then faster and flatter is better right?

26 NOSLER IT IS!!!!!

 

[gerry]

O.K., O.K., I surrender. Remember, I was sold on the .264 WM 35 years ago. So, SJB358 (is your name Scotty?), What about holding out for the new 26 Nosler instead of the .264 WM?

Not Scotty, but either would be good. John Barsness has a formula where he can estimate pretty closely what a certain round should deliver based on case capacity, thankfully Nosler states it will be 93 gr. Based on that he predicts the 26 Nosler will get around 100 fps roughly than the 264 WM when loaded at the same pressure and has the same barrel length. Of course we need to see what real guns will do, you can get great brass for the 264 WM and no doubt the Nosler stuff will be top notch. As 264 WM users can attest to, it is no slouch when it comes to long range performance, the Nosler round will be a bit more of the same.

Here is the quote from 24hourcampfire.


"Based on the powder capacity, the 26 Nosler will probably beat the .264 by about 100 fps when both are loaded to the same pressures. But that's just an educated guess based on the relatively skimpy information we have so far. Will know more after getting my hands one, along with some ammo. "

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthread ... ost8274422

 

[SJB358]

I'm sure the 26 Nosler is going to be a heater but man, I'm not ready to walk away from my 264 Win just yet. I'd take either in a rifle I loved. The extra FPS is awesome but a rifle I shoot well is priceless.