30-06 load with 168TSX

CAhunter

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Hey guys! I have been loading some rounds from my hunting partner with 168grTSX and IMR 4064. Wondering what kind of velocity to expect? My buddy wants to get around 3000fps.I think we might want to try something else like H4350 or RL19 or 22.. What do you guys think? We are using IMR 4064 because we have 3 lbs. Any suggestions?
 
Cartridge : .30-06 Spring. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 168, Barnes 'TSX'BT 30844
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch or 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch or 558.8 mm
Powder : IMR 4064

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 3.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-30.0 67 35.00 1992 1480 24949 6444 88.2 1.547
-27.0 70 36.50 2067 1594 27145 6793 89.9 1.495
-24.0 73 38.00 2142 1712 29537 7134 91.6 1.445
-21.0 76 39.50 2217 1834 32143 7465 93.1 1.397
-18.0 79 41.00 2292 1960 34976 7782 94.5 1.351
-15.0 82 42.50 2367 2089 38056 8084 95.7 1.307
-12.0 85 44.00 2441 2222 41402 8369 96.8 1.265
-09.0 88 45.50 2514 2358 45035 8634 97.7 1.224
-06.0 91 47.00 2587 2497 48982 8878 98.5 1.185
-03.0 93 48.50 2660 2639 53271 9099 99.1 1.145 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 96 50.00 2731 2783 57936 9295 99.6 1.102 ! Near Maximum !
+03.0 99 51.50 2802 2929 63013 9464 99.9 1.060 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 102 53.00 2873 3078 68546 9605 100.0 1.021 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+09.0 105 54.50 2942 3229 74585 9722 100.0 0.984 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+12.0 108 56.00 3011 3381 81187 9832 100.0 0.949 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+15.0 111 57.50 3078 3535 88419 9935 100.0 0.915 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 96 50.00 2829 2985 67238 8995 100.0 1.033 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 96 50.00 2594 2510 48762 9236 95.7 1.187
 
Cartridge : .30-06 Spring. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 168, Barnes 'TSX'BT 30844
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch or 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch or 558.8 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.

Matching Maximum Pressure: 60000 psi, or 413 MPa

or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 115 %

These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Norma MRP 111.0 63.6 4.12 2924 97.2 60000 11752 1.058 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 112.5 63.2 4.09 2893 93.2 60000 11642 1.060 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 112.9 62.7 4.07 2887 95.7 60000 11398 1.063 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15 112.9 62.7 4.07 2887 95.7 60000 11398 1.063 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 112.9 62.7 4.07 2887 95.7 60000 11398 1.063 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365 107.1 58.6 3.80 2883 100.0 60000 10194 1.069 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 112.8 65.9 4.27 2878 91.3 60000 11571 1.064 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 110.4 62.3 4.04 2863 93.4 60000 11210 1.057 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12 114.3 67.1 4.35 2859 93.6 60000 11353 1.057 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum (Big Boy) 114.0 67.1 4.35 2859 93.5 60000 11370 1.057 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR 115.0 62.5 4.05 2858 95.1 58237 11305 1.078 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517 114.5 67.2 4.35 2858 93.5 60000 11358 1.057 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 96.1 55.4 3.59 2855 99.8 60000 10290 1.060 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350 104.1 56.9 3.69 2855 98.5 60000 10600 1.063 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 104.5 59.3 3.84 2855 98.2 60000 10731 1.070 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213 111.1 61.7 4.00 2846 93.2 60000 11067 1.058 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 98.6 57.3 3.71 2845 97.4 60000 10681 1.074 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 104.0 56.5 3.66 2842 99.3 60000 10408 1.077 ! Near Maximum !



Saami has established a 60K standard for the 30-06 because of older action guns etc, If you look at the 308 or the 270 win they have a 65K max. Now if you want to load your 30-06 to that (rifle actions and brass are not made weaker on purpose for the 30-06) this is what you get.

This is a theoretical or hypothetical prediction and NOT recommended by me or QuickLoad. This is for reference only, and as you can see not worth the gamble

30-06 at 64500 psi


Cartridge : .30-06 Spring. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 168, Barnes 'TSX'BT 30844
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch or 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch or 558.8 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.

Matching Maximum Pressure: 64500 psi, or 444 MPa

or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 115 %

These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Norma MRP 113.1 64.9 4.20 2989 98.0 64500 11929 1.024 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 114.7 64.4 4.17 2960 94.3 64500 11880 1.026 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 115.0 63.9 4.14 2949 96.5 64244 11589 1.030 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15 115.0 63.9 4.14 2949 96.5 64244 11589 1.030 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 115.0 63.9 4.14 2949 96.5 64244 11589 1.030 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 114.9 67.1 4.35 2945 92.4 64500 11806 1.029 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365 109.3 59.8 3.87 2940 100.0 64500 10262 1.035 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 112.5 63.5 4.11 2929 94.5 64500 11430 1.023 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350 106.3 58.1 3.77 2918 99.0 64500 10759 1.029 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 106.7 60.6 3.92 2917 98.7 64500 10900 1.036 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 98.3 56.7 3.67 2917 100.0 64500 10411 1.027 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213 113.2 62.9 4.08 2912 94.3 64500 11295 1.024 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 100.8 58.6 3.80 2909 98.1 64500 10867 1.040 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 111.3 61.2 3.96 2905 96.4 64500 11022 1.033 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 106.3 57.8 3.74 2904 99.7 64500 10545 1.042 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 106.3 57.8 3.75 2903 99.7 64500 10542 1.042 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 103.2 57.9 3.75 2902 99.6 64500 10669 1.048 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350 109.1 57.4 3.72 2901 98.4 64500 10670 1.035 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 110.2 57.9 3.75 2899 99.7 64500 10511 1.056 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 110.2 60.3 3.90 2898 96.1 64500 10902 1.028 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 112.0 61.6 3.99 2898 96.4 64500 10930 1.033 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum (Big Boy) 115.0 67.7 4.39 2893 94.1 62312 11471 1.039 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot BigGame 99.2 56.3 3.65 2888 100.0 64500 10195 1.043 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 11 99.3 56.4 3.65 2887 100.0 64500 10180 1.043 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 111.5 58.7 3.80 2885 99.7 64500 10318 1.051 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 98.1 57.4 3.72 2884 98.0 64500 10693 1.049 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12 115.0 67.5 4.37 2883 94.1 61640 11426 1.044 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895 98.0 52.1 3.38 2880 100.0 64500 9586 1.029 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 105.3 59.8 3.87 2878 96.1 64500 10692 1.035 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4 108.7 59.8 3.87 2878 96.1 64500 10692 1.035 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 108.7 59.8 3.87 2878 96.1 64500 10692 1.035 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517 115.0 67.5 4.37 2877 93.8 61300 11416 1.047 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905 115.0 62.7 4.06 2873 93.7 62272 11000 1.049 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 113.0 58.0 3.76 2872 100.0 64500 9727 1.040 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385 111.4 61.9 4.01 2872 97.4 64500 10593 1.050 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA11 96.6 53.1 3.44 2866 99.9 64500 10057 1.052 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15 96.6 53.1 3.44 2866 99.9 64500 10057 1.052 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 ~approximation 96.6 53.1 3.44 2866 99.9 64500 10057 1.052 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B 97.1 53.4 3.46 2864 100.0 64500 9980 1.053 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2 91.3 54.8 3.55 2860 100.0 64500 9823 1.055 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC 111.8 62.1 4.03 2859 93.7 64500 10623 1.033 ! Near Maximum !
 
Thanks again POP. I told him that around 2850 would be about it and fine for the 06. Plus his load now shoots 1/2 pretty consistent. Ill chrony some loads this weekend! Thanks for the data!
 
Honestly If I got 2800 pr better and under 1" I would be happy! 8)
 
POP":2nkedt6n said:
Honestly If I got 2800 pr better and under 1" I would be happy! 8)

Of course you would have to be using E-Tips for that. :grin:
 
I have used this particular load in two different rifles, a Remington Model 700, and a Ruger #1B with great results in each....... 1/2" to 3/4" 3 shot groups at 100 yards, and 2940 fps chronographed out of my Ruger #1B! I did not have the Chorongraph when I still owned the Remington Model 700. No pressure signs and good brass life.

Winchester 30-06 brass
Federal Large rifle magnum primers
Nosler 165 grain Partitions or Accubonds
IMR4350 Powder 57.4 grains
 
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