Maybe cabin fever has set in but I'm bored. Maybe I'm becoming a wuss but I declared it to cold today to go calling coyotes. So thru a log in the stove and poured a coffee, just scanning thru the forum reading bits and pieces. Looking at Guys 220 gr PT test and it got me thinking. ( ya scary I know!) but in a real world hunting what would the 300 weatherby( heck even the WM or WSM) really give up to a 338 WM ? Trying to compare apples to apples I know you can push heavier pills out of the 338 but for sake of comparison a 225 gr in the Wm and a 220 in the 300 bee. I would surmise this would litterly be hair splitting territory.
.300 bee vs .338 WM
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wildgene
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...splitting hairs out to 200yds, @ 500yds. the .338/ 225gr. will carry considerably more velocity/ energy w/ less drop/ drift...
DrMike
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wildgene":153zcmuf said:
Pretty well sums up the issue.
Charlie-NY
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That is a surprise to me. I would have "guessed" that a 220gr .308 bullet would have a higher BC than the 225gr .338 bullet and that the muzzle velocity of the 300 Bee would have been equal to or greater than the 225 .338.
Hmmm live and learn.
Hmmm live and learn.
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DrMike":ct3cwikr said:
And then if you increase the case capacity of the 338 Win Mag to be more in line with the 300 Wby, you get the 340 Wby and the stats are even better! :twisted: 338 RUM even better yet!
JD338
Guy Miner
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Charlie-NY":23ik4o47 said:
Nosler's 220 gr .30 cal has a roundish nose, never intended for long range shooting.
There are other heavy .30's that have wonderfully high BC's, far more suited for longer ranges.
Guy
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I agree and they would be touching on the heels if not treading on them of the 338 WM I believe. Been wrong before though! :lol:Guy Miner":1csv9w29 said:
wildgene
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Guy Miner":294bmp9g said:
...still trying to stay kinda apples to pears, the 225gr. isn't a really high BC, you go to a .30 240gr. SMK vs. a 250gr. .338 WM, run almost the same to 700yds. My .300 WSM w/ 180's is better than my .325 w/ 200's, but the 220's make a lot of difference because of their much higher BC. Seems like the better caliber/ cartridge/ bullet combination is out there, just out of reach, no matter which way you go...
Guy Miner
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And them some smart aleck with a nice running 6mm or 6.5 beats all comers at a 1,000 yard match and the big gun guys grumble... :grin:
If you take a .300 Weatherby with a 200gr AB (.588 BC) at 3100fps and compare it to a 338wm with a 225gr AB (.550 BC) at 2900fps. The Weatherby kicks it's butt with energy, velocity, and trajectory. A .340 Weatherby would still lose in every category but energy. The 338's excel with the bigger bullets because of their BC but it takes a lot of yardage to catch and pass the higher velocity and lower BC bullets. That being said......all things equal bigger caliber bullets kill better.
Comparing a semi-spitzer 220gr Partition to a 225gr 338 spitzer isn't a very equal comparison except that they are close in weight.
Comparing a semi-spitzer 220gr Partition to a 225gr 338 spitzer isn't a very equal comparison except that they are close in weight.
hellrazor
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Guy Miner":1fceihr6 said:
No difference from when I take a 20guage skeet (Rem 1100) to sporting clays shoots. The 12g crowd makes fun of it and then whines when I kick their butt :mrgreen:
I am not sure what I would pick. I try to buy calibers where I can get factory ammo in an emergency. Any WBY and anything over 300WM is hard to find at the local shops.
Greg Nolan
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My 300 Wby with 190 ABLR at 3120fps carries 2340 fpe to 600 yds. With a 180 gr AccuBond at 3145 fps it carries 1923 fpe to 600 yds. My 338 Wm with 225 gr ABs at 2960 fps carry 2214 fpe to 600 yds.
I agree the larger heavier bullet of the 338 is the way to go for large game even with the benefit of the ABLRs higher bullet co-efficient. I've tried a lot of the ABLRs in different calibers and weights and I've found it takes a rifle with a long magazine or short freebore to obtain good enough accuracy to take advantage of the enhanced long rage capability.
I agree the larger heavier bullet of the 338 is the way to go for large game even with the benefit of the ABLRs higher bullet co-efficient. I've tried a lot of the ABLRs in different calibers and weights and I've found it takes a rifle with a long magazine or short freebore to obtain good enough accuracy to take advantage of the enhanced long rage capability.
