Can someone with Quickload tell me how Norma 217 compares...

IdahoCTD

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To N-570, R-33, Retumbo etc. in something like a .300 Norma, .338 Lapua, .30-378. I just heard about the powder and was wondering where it falls in burn rate. Norma list it at 2950ish with 230's in a .300 Norma, which is pretty good for a book load anymore.
 
Cartridge : .338 Lapua Mag.
Bullet : .338, 300, Nosler AccuBond 54851
Useable Case Capaci: 90.325 grain H2O = 5.865 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.681 inch = 93.50 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 60000 psi, or 413 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

49 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Vihtavuori N570 103.5 90.9 5.89 2669 98.6 60000 13902 1.347 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-33 104.1 95.2 6.17 2662 98.9 60000 13782 1.347 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-50 110.0 99.1 6.42 2656 98.4 59403 14099 1.376 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H870 109.9 94.5 6.13 2652 99.6 60000 13407 1.349 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 217 109.7 89.9 5.83 2635 100.0 60000 12387 1.363 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Retumbo 107.2 89.7 5.81 2631 100.0 60000 12041 1.340 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 2 102.4 85.3 5.52 2601 100.0 60000 12263 1.365 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 94.5 80.4 5.21 2596 99.9 60000 12298 1.355 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 94.9 84.0 5.44 2595 99.5 60000 12525 1.362 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 98.8 79.9 5.18 2586 100.0 60000 11867 1.345 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 93.5 79.9 5.18 2586 100.0 60000 11867 1.345 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 92.7 80.5 5.22 2585 100.0 60000 11757 1.364 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25 100.1 82.9 5.37 2582 100.0 60000 11337 1.355 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H1000 103.8 85.5 5.54 2581 100.0 60000 11641 1.337 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori 24N41 106.2 94.2 6.11 2579 94.0 60000 12802 1.339 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR 97.3 80.1 5.19 2568 100.0 60000 11703 1.363 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 94.7 79.7 5.17 2568 100.0 60000 11673 1.363 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum 94.9 86.1 5.58 2555 100.0 60000 11184 1.360 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 92.0 76.6 4.96 2533 100.0 60000 11143 1.357 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon US 869 110.0 97.6 6.32 2529 93.1 56427 12684 1.388 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N170 106.6 87.8 5.69 2528 97.4 60000 11902 1.372 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon 50BMG 110.0 93.0 6.03 2525 89.3 56336 12827 1.387 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 97.3 78.7 5.10 2523 99.8 60000 11216 1.354 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC 93.5 78.7 5.10 2523 99.8 60000 11216 1.354 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 91.2 80.0 5.19 2498 100.0 60000 10665 1.365 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165 97.2 80.1 5.19 2489 100.0 60000 10396 1.370 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160 97.5 77.8 5.04 2483 99.9 60000 10560 1.361 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100 95.0 79.1 5.12 2480 100.0 60000 10244 1.399 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 91.5 72.9 4.73 2471 100.0 60000 9959 1.386 ! Near Maximum !
 
If I were running Retumbo in a cartridge, I wouldn't hesitate to consider N 217 if I was able to secure that powder.
 
I was hoping it was more like N 570 or R-33. It's almost as expensive as N 570 @ 29.50/lb where the others run about 20-22/lb.
 
I use a fair amount of VN570 in the large capacity cases. It has proven to be a good performer for me.
 

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