ACLakey
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- Aug 11, 2008
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Please post your results if you have used Dan Newberry's Optimal Charge Weight method of load development. Pictures of your groups and resoning for picking your OCW would be appreciated. Thanks
OCW Results, Please post
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Handloader
- Dec 26, 2007
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Due to different chambers and different built rifles and so many component variables I do not post my load work results in final charge detail. Sometimes people take them and things could happen. When I list my load work from info gained by the program I am all ways 5% or more under my max load or settled load unless my loads match a published book load.
Oldtrader3
Ammo Smith
- Nov 6, 2009
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Who is this guy? I read about ten sentences of his loading wisdom and we parted ways right there. I can not argue with most of his loads. They are the same loads as have been published in Handloader magazine and everywhere else for at least 40 years that I am aware of. I have been using the .30-06 loads that he listed for only about 50 years now!
As for his philosophy on loading cartridges, we ran aground really fast with the engineer in me when he stated catagorically that it "does not matter how expensive the seating dies that you use are, they are all the same". At this point, Dan Newberry and I parted ways forever. How anyone who truly has comprehensive loading experience can catagorically say something so wrong and so incorrect on all counts, is beyond me. I quit reading at this point because any opininated blockhead who knows anything about fighting a caliber for accuracy realises that you can not make good, concentric loads when you are misaligning and shaving bullets with your cheap seating die stem!
I have one (large maker) .338 Federal seating die that not only seats but it also grabs many bullets and pulls them back out of the neck of the case because of seater misalignment. This is because the bullet stem is the wrong shape and diameter. This cocks each bullet enough to go into the case misaligned to the point that it mushrooms case shoulders and I had to use a .358 Winchester FL sizer to realign the collapsed case shoulders in order to rescue the loads and brass from the damage done by the XXXX brand seater die. Then this guy tells me it does not matter what seating die I use.
As for his philosophy on loading cartridges, we ran aground really fast with the engineer in me when he stated catagorically that it "does not matter how expensive the seating dies that you use are, they are all the same". At this point, Dan Newberry and I parted ways forever. How anyone who truly has comprehensive loading experience can catagorically say something so wrong and so incorrect on all counts, is beyond me. I quit reading at this point because any opininated blockhead who knows anything about fighting a caliber for accuracy realises that you can not make good, concentric loads when you are misaligning and shaving bullets with your cheap seating die stem!
I have one (large maker) .338 Federal seating die that not only seats but it also grabs many bullets and pulls them back out of the neck of the case because of seater misalignment. This is because the bullet stem is the wrong shape and diameter. This cocks each bullet enough to go into the case misaligned to the point that it mushrooms case shoulders and I had to use a .358 Winchester FL sizer to realign the collapsed case shoulders in order to rescue the loads and brass from the damage done by the XXXX brand seater die. Then this guy tells me it does not matter what seating die I use.
I tried the OCW but it's been a couple of years now
even shot it round robin. Didn't really get anything out of it.
Here's another one from the archives
like reading tea leaves.
IMO a good load is developed over several firings and seeing how it holds up through years. I once asked on the forum over there how the higher impact with increased velocity was allowed for and never got an answer. The Audette ladder at 300 yards is better
it allows for the higher POI's with increased velocity and seems to give me more information. Like shots 3, 4 and 5 are an accuracy node. But you still have to find the right seating depth and powder charge within that range.
Any change in seating depth due to barrel erosion, bullet grip due to work hardening of brass, temperature of the case when firing, etc. etc. all can change the barrel timing and change your results.
even shot it round robin. Didn't really get anything out of it.
Here's another one from the archives
like reading tea leaves.
IMO a good load is developed over several firings and seeing how it holds up through years. I once asked on the forum over there how the higher impact with increased velocity was allowed for and never got an answer. The Audette ladder at 300 yards is better
it allows for the higher POI's with increased velocity and seems to give me more information. Like shots 3, 4 and 5 are an accuracy node. But you still have to find the right seating depth and powder charge within that range.
Any change in seating depth due to barrel erosion, bullet grip due to work hardening of brass, temperature of the case when firing, etc. etc. all can change the barrel timing and change your results.
