Does QL have load data for the Hawk & the Woodleigh 250gr round nose bullets? I know they do for the Hornady 250RN and Barnes, maybe the Woodleigh, but the Hawk is a pretty soft (pure copper) jacketed lead. I have shot them in the 9.3x62 and the 358 (225) Winchester. They "bump up" real fast and one can't use starting loads for , say, a Hornady gilded metal jacketed bullet. I'm looking for an "old school" 250 round nose load for this standard Whelen, its a Mod 700 Classic, 22" bbl. Any help is appreciated.
QL data available for 35 Whelen and 250gr Hawk & Woodleighs
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Jim,
I set the max chamber pressure at 61k psi for this projection.
Trust this is helpful for you.
I set the max chamber pressure at 61k psi for this projection.
Code:
Cartridge : .35 Whelen
Bullet : .358, 250, Hawk RT .035
Useable Case Capaci: 62.719 grain H2O = 4.072 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 61000 psi, or 420 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
ReloadSwiss RS 60 108.2 65.6 4.25 2692 100.0 61000 9461 1.070 ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17 107.4 65.1 4.22 2677 99.8 61000 9390 1.074 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 107.4 65.1 4.22 2677 99.8 61000 9390 1.074 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511 108.9 67.0 4.34 2633 97.2 61000 9347 1.084 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 109.0 64.4 4.17 2627 98.6 61000 9203 1.095 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 106.4 65.0 4.21 2625 96.3 61000 9264 1.088 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 106.4 65.0 4.21 2625 96.3 61000 9264 1.088 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 62 110.0 66.6 4.32 2606 98.0 57033 9260 1.117 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 104.0 60.8 3.94 2589 99.9 61000 8525 1.113 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3 104.0 60.8 3.94 2589 99.9 61000 8525 1.113 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903 106.4 60.8 3.94 2582 99.8 61000 8441 1.113 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 110.0 63.6 4.12 2581 98.3 57104 8991 1.131 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 102.9 60.8 3.94 2574 98.3 61000 8670 1.109 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355 106.1 60.0 3.89 2573 99.7 61000 8426 1.112 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 110.0 62.9 4.08 2572 98.2 56593 8960 1.124 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 110.0 62.9 4.08 2571 98.1 56536 8955 1.125 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 110.0 65.7 4.26 2569 93.4 60067 8961 1.096 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 110.0 65.7 4.26 2568 96.3 56293 9155 1.123 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 104.1 58.9 3.82 2567 100.0 61000 7977 1.134 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6 98.7 58.8 3.81 2564 100.0 61000 7970 1.118 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520 96.5 58.8 3.81 2564 100.0 61000 7970 1.118 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065 109.3 61.8 4.01 2548 97.6 61000 8494 1.114 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 518 110.0 65.7 4.26 2547 95.5 54829 9124 1.136 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495 98.0 55.4 3.59 2546 100.0 61000 7637 1.141 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7 97.0 60.2 3.90 2544 98.2 61000 8332 1.114 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070 110.0 62.9 4.08 2544 96.2 59306 8690 1.124 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907 107.5 61.0 3.95 2532 95.5 61000 8469 1.112 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7 107.5 61.0 3.95 2532 95.5 61000 8469 1.112 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation 110.0 64.6 4.18 2532 95.1 57308 8726 1.126 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 104.2 61.1 3.96 2532 95.5 61000 8463 1.113 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 70 110.0 67.7 4.39 2528 93.8 53003 9467 1.147 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-16 110.0 61.9 4.01 2528 98.3 51202 8960 1.167
Lovex D073.5 92.3 57.2 3.71 2528 100.0 61000 7758 1.127 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460 92.0 57.2 3.71 2528 100.0 61000 7758 1.127 ! Near Maximum !
Code:
Cartridge : .35 Whelen
Bullet : .358, 250, Woodleigh SN WeldCore 53
Useable Case Capaci: 63.360 grain H2O = 4.114 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 61000 psi, or 420 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
ReloadSwiss RS 60 107.9 66.1 4.28 2698 100.0 61000 9535 1.069 ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17 107.1 65.6 4.25 2683 99.9 61000 9469 1.073 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 107.1 65.6 4.25 2683 99.9 61000 9469 1.073 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511 108.5 67.5 4.38 2639 97.3 61000 9434 1.083 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 108.6 64.8 4.20 2632 98.7 61000 9284 1.094 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 106.0 65.5 4.24 2631 96.4 61000 9352 1.087 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 106.0 65.5 4.24 2631 96.4 61000 9352 1.087 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 62 110.0 67.3 4.36 2621 98.2 57782 9365 1.110 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 110.0 64.2 4.16 2596 98.5 57905 9092 1.124 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 103.7 61.2 3.97 2594 99.9 61000 8595 1.112 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3 103.7 61.2 3.97 2594 99.9 61000 8595 1.112 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903 106.0 61.2 3.97 2587 99.8 61000 8511 1.112 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 110.0 63.5 4.12 2586 98.3 57278 9062 1.118 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 110.0 63.5 4.12 2585 98.3 57221 9057 1.118 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 110.0 66.3 4.30 2584 93.7 60729 9080 1.090 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 110.0 66.3 4.30 2583 96.5 56939 9268 1.117 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 102.6 61.2 3.97 2579 98.4 61000 8748 1.108 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355 105.7 60.4 3.91 2578 99.8 61000 8497 1.111 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 103.8 59.3 3.84 2571 100.0 61000 8041 1.133 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6 98.4 59.2 3.84 2568 100.0 61000 8035 1.117 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520 96.1 59.2 3.84 2568 100.0 61000 8035 1.117 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 518 110.0 66.3 4.30 2562 95.8 55453 9239 1.129 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070 110.0 63.5 4.12 2558 96.4 59969 8796 1.118 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065 109.0 62.3 4.03 2553 97.7 61000 8572 1.113 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495 97.7 55.8 3.62 2550 100.0 61000 7699 1.141 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7 96.7 60.6 3.93 2550 98.3 61000 8408 1.114 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation 110.0 65.2 4.23 2547 95.4 58008 8836 1.120 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 70 110.0 68.4 4.43 2545 94.1 53593 9594 1.140 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-16 110.0 62.6 4.05 2543 98.5 51836 9062 1.160
Somchem S365 110.0 63.9 4.14 2541 99.7 50951 8909 1.166
Bofors RP7 107.2 61.5 3.98 2538 95.6 61000 8552 1.111 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907 107.2 61.5 3.98 2538 95.6 61000 8552 1.111 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 103.8 61.5 3.99 2538 95.6 61000 8545 1.112 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.5 92.0 57.6 3.73 2532 100.0 61000 7822 1.126 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460 91.7 57.6 3.73 2532 100.0 61000 7822 1.126 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901 97.0 53.8 3.49 2519 100.0 61000 7651 1.133 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 110.0 64.2 4.16 2491 92.0 53963 8772 1.148 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4 110.0 64.2 4.16 2491 92.0 53963 8772 1.148 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 110.0 62.2 4.03 2490 99.0 52287 8321 1.162
Alliant Reloder-26 110.0 69.1 4.48 2478 94.5 45118 9906 1.225
ADI AR 2209 110.0 63.9 4.14 2465 91.1 51740 8797 1.166
Alliant Reloder-19 110.0 64.2 4.16 2450 91.1 49755 8827 1.188
Winchester Supreme 780 110.0 67.7 4.39 2447 91.3 52833 8479 1.161 ! Near Maximum !Trust this is helpful for you.
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Me too Scotty, I really like it out here where the temp can drop 60 degs in late Fall/early winter. I informally tested it in the 35 WAI/310 load I had from 70deg to a tad under 25 deg...no difference is speed or accuracy. As I like to tease R19 users, it lost too much speed/accuracy for me "in the one load combination" I was using in that 338 WM/185XLC. Normally I don't mind compressed loads, but that one was the exception rather than the rule...that slick XLC bullet and no LEE FCD back then! ha I plan on staying around 2400-2500 tops in the Colonel.
DrMike
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Obviously, RL15 will work. It gives reasonable case fill, etc. However, others give better velocities and that is what the program is looking for.
Cartridge : .35 Whelen
Bullet : .358, 250, Woodleigh SN WeldCore 53
Useable Case Capaci: 63.360 grain H2O = 4.114 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-15
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 81 47.36 2098 2443 32418 7059 92.3 1.471
-18.0 83 48.54 2148 2561 34541 7264 93.3 1.431
-16.0 85 49.73 2198 2682 36799 7462 94.3 1.392
-14.0 87 50.91 2248 2805 39202 7653 95.2 1.351
-12.0 89 52.10 2298 2930 41758 7835 96.0 1.311
-10.0 91 53.28 2347 3058 44478 8008 96.7 1.274
-08.0 93 54.46 2397 3188 47373 8172 97.4 1.237
-06.0 95 55.65 2446 3321 50457 8325 98.0 1.203
-04.0 97 56.83 2495 3455 53742 8467 98.5 1.169 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 99 58.02 2544 3592 57246 8598 99.0 1.136 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 101 59.20 2592 3730 60984 8717 99.3 1.105 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 103 60.38 2641 3871 64976 8823 99.6 1.075 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 105 61.57 2689 4013 69243 8915 99.8 1.045 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 107 62.75 2737 4157 73810 8995 99.9 1.017 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 109 63.94 2784 4303 78702 9060 100.0 0.990 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 111 65.12 2831 4450 83950 9114 100.0 0.964 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 101 59.20 2694 4030 72554 8396 100.0 1.030 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 101 59.20 2448 3326 49741 8646 94.8 1.204
Cartridge : .35 Whelen
Bullet : .358, 250, Woodleigh SN WeldCore 53
Useable Case Capaci: 63.360 grain H2O = 4.114 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-15
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 81 47.36 2098 2443 32418 7059 92.3 1.471
-18.0 83 48.54 2148 2561 34541 7264 93.3 1.431
-16.0 85 49.73 2198 2682 36799 7462 94.3 1.392
-14.0 87 50.91 2248 2805 39202 7653 95.2 1.351
-12.0 89 52.10 2298 2930 41758 7835 96.0 1.311
-10.0 91 53.28 2347 3058 44478 8008 96.7 1.274
-08.0 93 54.46 2397 3188 47373 8172 97.4 1.237
-06.0 95 55.65 2446 3321 50457 8325 98.0 1.203
-04.0 97 56.83 2495 3455 53742 8467 98.5 1.169 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 99 58.02 2544 3592 57246 8598 99.0 1.136 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 101 59.20 2592 3730 60984 8717 99.3 1.105 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 103 60.38 2641 3871 64976 8823 99.6 1.075 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 105 61.57 2689 4013 69243 8915 99.8 1.045 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 107 62.75 2737 4157 73810 8995 99.9 1.017 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 109 63.94 2784 4303 78702 9060 100.0 0.990 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 111 65.12 2831 4450 83950 9114 100.0 0.964 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 101 59.20 2694 4030 72554 8396 100.0 1.030 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 101 59.20 2448 3326 49741 8646 94.8 1.204
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I'm loading the Hornady 250 gr SP with 59.0 grs RL15 in my M700 Classic 35 Whelen and getting 2575 fps and sub MOA accuracy. Its a potent load.
JD338
JD338
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That sounds like a great load Uncle JD! I see that R15 59gr recommended in a lot of places. I have read some disappointing things about the temp sensitivity of R17...I have a couple pounds but so far, top velocities in some cartridges are just not accurate. Bummer. I have some 250 Woodleigh's on the way, plus I still have some 250 partitions I got from Scotty. I'm hoping I can get best accuracy around 2500fps.
