.264 Win Mag Quick Load help.

Well I am going to try a higher BC bullet .264 Nosler 129gr ABLR BC .561 or .264 Swift Scirocco II 130gr BC .571. Has the BC tested good on these bullets and correct ? I am using Nosler Brass, CCI 250 primers & Retumbo. My model 70 has a 24 inch barrel. Thanks & if any one has experiences with either bullet I would like to hear about it good or bad. Good Hunting & Shooting. I swear I test more than I hunt I guess that's way most of us are. Thanks

Cartridge : .264 Win. Mag.
Bullet : .264, 129, Nosler AccuBond LR 58943 G7
Useable Case Capaci: 75.500 grain H2O = 4.902 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Hodgdon Retumbo

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 84 59.04 2618 1964 30191 11832 95.4 1.677
-18.0 86 60.52 2689 2072 32356 12182 96.7 1.634
-16.0 89 61.99 2761 2183 34684 12499 97.8 1.592
-14.0 91 63.47 2832 2297 37193 12782 98.6 1.548
-12.0 93 64.94 2902 2413 39895 13027 99.3 1.498
-10.0 95 66.42 2973 2531 42808 13232 99.7 1.448
-08.0 97 67.90 3042 2651 45951 13394 100.0 1.400
-06.0 99 69.37 3111 2772 49345 13516 100.0 1.354
-04.0 101 70.85 3179 2895 53017 13628 100.0 1.310 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 103 72.32 3246 3018 56989 13735 100.0 1.267 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 105 73.80 3312 3143 61296 13837 100.0 1.226 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 108 75.28 3378 3269 65967 13935 100.0 1.187 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 110 76.75 3443 3396 71043 14028 100.0 1.149 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 112 78.23 3508 3525 76569 14115 100.0 1.112 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 114 79.70 3573 3656 82569 14197 100.0 1.076 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 116 81.18 3637 3788 89063 14272 100.0 1.042 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 105 73.80 3448 3406 76506 13319 100.0 1.124 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 105 73.80 3102 2756 48319 14388 98.9 1.361

Cartridge : .264 Win. Mag.
Bullet : .264, 130, Swift Scirocco
Useable Case Capaci: 75.187 grain H2O = 4.882 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Hodgdon Retumbo

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 84 58.72 2618 1979 30583 11811 95.8 1.663
-18.0 86 60.19 2689 2087 32753 12152 97.0 1.621
-16.0 88 61.66 2759 2197 35081 12462 98.0 1.579
-14.0 91 63.12 2829 2310 37588 12737 98.8 1.539
-12.0 93 64.59 2898 2425 40287 12975 99.4 1.497
-10.0 95 66.06 2968 2542 43196 13174 99.8 1.447
-08.0 97 67.53 3036 2661 46333 13330 100.0 1.400
-06.0 99 69.00 3104 2781 49719 13451 100.0 1.355
-04.0 101 70.46 3171 2903 53383 13564 100.0 1.311 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 103 71.93 3237 3025 57344 13673 100.0 1.268 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 105 73.40 3303 3149 61636 13778 100.0 1.228 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 107 74.87 3368 3274 66292 13877 100.0 1.189 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 110 76.34 3432 3400 71336 13971 100.0 1.151 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 112 77.80 3496 3528 76852 14060 100.0 1.114 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 114 79.27 3560 3658 82820 14144 100.0 1.079 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 116 80.74 3623 3790 89276 14221 100.0 1.045 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 105 73.40 3436 3409 76813 13266 100.0 1.126 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 105 73.40 3096 2766 48663 14338 99.0 1.361

Not sure on the Scirocco's BC, but I'd bet it is a super bullet in the 264. I am running the 140BT and AB in my 264, but the 130's would blaze out at nearly 3400.

Post up your results. I love hearing about the Model 70 264's!

Cartridge : .264 Win. Mag.
Bullet : .264, 130, Swift Scirocco
Useable Case Capaci: 75.187 grain H2O = 4.882 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 61600 psi, or 424 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

52 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Vihtavuori N570 101.6 74.2 4.81 3339 98.2 61600 15771 1.236 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-33 102.0 77.7 5.04 3323 98.5 61600 15559 1.240 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-50 107.8 80.8 5.24 3315 98.0 61600 15861 1.266 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H870 107.8 77.1 5.00 3313 99.3 61600 15181 1.242 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Retumbo 105.3 73.4 4.76 3302 100.0 61600 13777 1.228 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 217 107.5 73.4 4.76 3300 100.0 61600 14174 1.253 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 93.2 66.0 4.28 3273 99.7 61600 14184 1.233 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 2 100.7 69.8 4.52 3269 100.0 61600 14091 1.248 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 93.5 68.9 4.46 3265 99.2 61600 14364 1.242 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 97.5 65.7 4.25 3264 99.9 61600 13739 1.223 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 92.2 65.7 4.25 3264 99.9 61600 13739 1.223 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 91.3 66.1 4.28 3259 100.0 61600 13571 1.243 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H1000 102.3 70.1 4.54 3253 100.0 61600 13415 1.218 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25 98.6 67.9 4.40 3252 100.0 61600 13057 1.236 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 93.5 65.5 4.25 3242 100.0 61600 13496 1.239 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR 96.0 65.8 4.27 3241 100.0 61600 13523 1.239 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori 24N41 104.6 77.2 5.00 3237 93.4 61600 14477 1.224 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon 50BMG 110.0 77.4 5.02 3231 89.8 61590 14764 1.233 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon US 869 109.7 81.0 5.25 3224 93.5 61600 14500 1.238 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum 93.4 70.5 4.57 3216 100.0 61600 12869 1.241 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 91.0 63.1 4.09 3206 100.0 61600 12939 1.229 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 96.2 64.8 4.20 3192 99.6 61600 12971 1.226 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC 92.5 64.8 4.20 3192 99.6 61600 12971 1.226 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N170 105.1 72.0 4.67 3182 96.9 61600 13568 1.250 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 8700 110.0 79.6 5.16 3165 96.9 56240 14076 1.282 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 90.1 65.9 4.27 3159 100.0 61600 12341 1.237 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori 20N29 110.0 82.0 5.32 3154 94.6 56234 14406 1.300 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165 96.1 65.9 4.27 3149 100.0 61600 12058 1.242 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160 96.6 64.2 4.16 3147 99.8 61600 12261 1.230 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 90.6 60.1 3.90 3138 100.0 61600 11637 1.252 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100 93.8 65.0 4.21 3136 100.0 61600 11882 1.270 ! Near Maximum !

Thanks DrMike makes me want to take a serious look at N570. I have had great success with N133 in .223 Rem. Back to the .264 Win Mag I would guess I would lose 80 to 100 FPS with my 24 inch barrel. It does look like I might make 3200 FPS in my Rifle which if I can't beat a .270 Win with 130 gr bullets what's the point of having a .264 Win Mag. Thanks Again.

I would think you'll easily touch 3250 with a 24" barrel without even leaning hard on it. You'll do real good I bet. I run alot of RL25 in my rifle, but all of the slow burners seem to do really well. Looking forward to seeing how you make out with it.

As Scotty said, 3250 should be readily attainable. I like VN570, and I like RL25. However, IMR 7828 may just give you great performance as well. Any of the slow burners should perform well in this case.

SJB358":2v448v64 said:

I would think you'll easily touch 3250 with a 24" barrel without even leaning hard on it. You'll do real good I bet. I run alot of RL25 in my rifle, but all of the slow burners seem to do really well. Looking forward to seeing how you make out with it.

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I had no trouble reaching 3250 with 130's in my 24" 264 WM. I ran the 130 gr Swift at 3205 fps with Retumbo and good accuracy, great game bullet too.

I will say the Ballistics of either of these bullets at 3200-3250 is impressive. Would you use either on Elk or just long range Deer Antelope,Black Bear, Caribou ? Thanks

The Swift is a tougher bullet, I would have no issues launching them at moose and elk. The 129 gr ABLR is softer and would prefer to use it on caribou or smaller judging from my experience with them in the 260 Rem. It is still a good bullet though.

I would use either of these bullets from the 264 WM on elk. They will serve you well. I have used on several occasions the 130 grain E-Tip from my 270 WSM on elk and moose, and it dropped them quite smartly. You will generate nearly identical velocities with good sectional density to smack them hard and perform admirably.

I'd run that 130 Swift into elk without too much worry at all. Like Gerry said, they are tough and seem to hold up really well. My son has to pick from a few different rifles to decide on what he wants to carry this Fall, but the 264 Win may get the call. I feel it and the 140AB will handle elk just fine.