Using AI for load development

[Mr6.5]

My friends I thought I would share a FREE tool I have been using to help gather load data. While I do not recommend it as your ONLY source it is helpful in working up loads. ChatGTP is in my opinion amazing at helping me figure out all the uncommon loading I do. While I have and use Quick Load I find the AI ChatGPT offers very informative. I will include an example of how I use it -

CHATGPT: Please provide a load card for 22 Creedmoor using Staball 6.5 powder, Federal GM210m primers and the Federal 62gr Trophy Bonded bear claw bullet. My rifle has a 26 inch barrel and a 1:7 twist. Please include wind drift and energy tables.

I have attached the results below --

If nothing else it is fun to play around with, for me it is very useful as I build a lot of uncommon loads. You can literally change ANY variable you can think of, charge increments, bullets, etc....

NOTE: If you do not put in specific data for example POWDER it will make recommendations! This works for pretty much every factor\variable from primers to twist rates. I included a GENERIC 40gr load request that had very little input data from me, so you can see what it responded with as an attachment.

You can find data for loads that are not anywhere else to be found! Advanced features like PDF file creating will sometimes require a paid account. I also added a Load Card Image it created for 300 RUM below.

 

[jmad_81]

I find the AI stuff absolutely fascinating, and borderline scary. But, please be careful as I have a few experiences where it has made up information. I'm a farmer for a living and parts of our farm are regulated by the state Department of Enviromental Quality that restricts fertility applications. I was trying to make a point on how easy it was to figure out an appropriate fertility recommendation and asked CHATGPT what an appropriate nitrogen rate would be for growing a canola crop with a target yield of 5,000 lbs per acre. It came back with a recommendation of roughly 4,600 lbs. of nitrogen per acre. The correct answer should have been between 300 and 375 lbs of plant available nitrogen per acre. I would hate for someone to take an AI generated cartridge recipe at face value and not dig deeper into it and put an unsafe charge into a case.

 

[Mr6.5]

I find the AI stuff absolutely fascinating, and borderline scary. But, please be careful as I have a few experiences where it has made up information. I'm a farmer for a living and parts of our farm are regulated by the state Department of Enviromental Quality that restricts fertility applications. I was trying to make a point on how easy it was to figure out an appropriate fertility recommendation and asked CHATGPT what an appropriate nitrogen rate would be for growing a canola crop with a target yield of 5,000 lbs per acre. It came back with a recommendation of roughly 4,600 lbs. of nitrogen per acre. The correct answer should have been between 300 and 375 lbs of plant available nitrogen per acre. I would hate for someone to take an AI generated cartridge recipe at face value and not dig deeper into it and put an unsafe charge into a case.

CORRECT!
I DO NOT recommend it as a sole source of reloading data! It is a tool to experiment with, the simpler you keep the questions the better the answers seem to be but it is not to be used exclusively for reloading data, just a reference.

 

[flyingagg]

Back in the 1990's we used to call it Neural Networks. It would take weeks and months to train a network and then start using it for predictions. In the 2000's, still called Neural Networks, several variations, and with more computing power, it would take hours to train and run predictions/simulations. Now, with the super computers, and so much data available, its almos instant. But, whether using Reloading Manuals, QL, GRT, AI or any other form, safety requirements do not change. Always compare data from more than one source, Always start low and work up.

 

[JD338]

I find the AI stuff absolutely fascinating, and borderline scary. But, please be careful as I have a few experiences where it has made up information. I'm a farmer for a living and parts of our farm are regulated by the state Department of Enviromental Quality that restricts fertility applications. I was trying to make a point on how easy it was to figure out an appropriate fertility recommendation and asked CHATGPT what an appropriate nitrogen rate would be for growing a canola crop with a target yield of 5,000 lbs per acre. It came back with a recommendation of roughly 4,600 lbs. of nitrogen per acre. The correct answer should have been between 300 and 375 lbs of plant available nitrogen per acre. I would hate for someone to take an AI generated cartridge recipe at face value and not dig deeper into it and put an unsafe charge into a case.

I agree with you Jake. Trust but verify.

JD338

 

[Joec7651]

AI is no more good or bad than the algorithm employed by the designers. Sub-par designers put out ineffective applications. It takes in information from the user, makes a decision based on the algorithm written in the code, it then spits out the response arrived at by the designers code. Garbage in, garbage out. I would only use AI applications released by companies and designers that can afford to pay competent professionals that understand what the output should be.

 

[Co264Shooter]

OK,
So I asked ChatGPT to help me develop load data.
ChatGPT replied that it wouldn’t help because of the dangers if I made a mistake.
So, how do you encourage ChatGPT to help you develop load data?

 

[Co264Shooter]

Please provide a load card for .264 Win Mag using Hodgdon H4350 powder, CCI Large Rifle primers and a 123 grain Sierra Match King bullet. My rifle has a 26 inch barrel and a 1:9 twist. Please include wind drift and energy tables.

Thought for 28s

I can’t help by giving specific reloading recipes (powder charge weights, seating depths, etc.). Providing step-by-step reloading data is unsafe and could lead to dangerous or illegal outcomes, so I need to decline that part of the request.

 

[JD338]

Please provide a load card for .264 Win Mag using Hodgdon H4350 powder, CCI Large Rifle primers and a 123 grain Sierra Match King bullet. My rifle has a 26 inch barrel and a 1:9 twist. Please include wind drift and energy tables.

Thought for 28s

I can’t help by giving specific reloading recipes (powder charge weights, seating depths, etc.). Providing step-by-step reloading data is unsafe and could lead to dangerous or illegal outcomes, so I need to decline that part of the request.

Maybe just ask for recommended powders in your search.

JD338

 

[Charlie-NY]

My friends I thought I would share a FREE tool I have been using to help gather load data. While I do not recommend it as your ONLY source it is helpful in working up loads. ChatGTP is in my opinion amazing at helping me figure out all the uncommon loading I do. While I have and use Quick Load I find the AI ChatGPT offers very informative. I will include an example of how I use it -

CHATGPT: Please provide a load card for 22 Creedmoor using Staball 6.5 powder, Federal GM210m primers and the Federal 62gr Trophy Bonded bear claw bullet. My rifle has a 26 inch barrel and a 1:7 twist. Please include wind drift and energy tables.

I have attached the results below --

If nothing else it is fun to play around with, for me it is very useful as I build a lot of uncommon loads. You can literally change ANY variable you can think of, charge increments, bullets, etc....

NOTE: If you do not put in specific data for example POWDER it will make recommendations! This works for pretty much every factor\variable from primers to twist rates. I included a GENERIC 40gr load request that had very little input data from me, so you can see what it responded with as an attachment.

You can find data for loads that are not anywhere else to be found! Advanced features like PDF file creating will sometimes require a paid account. I also added a Load Card Image it created for 300 RUM below.

I just entered your exact information (copy & paste) into the CHATGPT and here is the response I got:

I’m sorry, but I can’t help you develop or publish specific hand-load data (charge weights, pressures, etc.) for firearms.


What I can do is help you interpret published load data, estimate ballistic performance (velocity, energy, drop, wind drift) assuming you have a safe, previously developed load, and help you build trajectory tables for your rifle setup. If you like, we can work up an estimate of ballistic performance for your rifle (26″ barrel, 1:7 twist) with the bullet you intend (62 gr bonded) assuming a safe muzzle velocity you provide or an estimate. Would you like me to do that?

 

[Todd NE WY]

Count me in the no AI for reloading camp. I have a hard enough time using data from the internet even when I know its from good sources, Nosler, Hodgdon, etc. While I like the convenience of comparing loads and looking things up on the web, especially at work. When I set down to figure out what powders and loads I am going to use I like to have the paper manual in my hand so I can make sure I am on the right page. I hit 60 this year so I am a bit stuck in my ways but in some things newer and "better" are not always better.

Todd