Varget and the 308 is fantastic!
45-70 loads are anything from mild to wild.
I shot a few 400 gr loads around 1850 fps from the 1895 Guide and they were exhilarating!
JD338
I know what you mean Jim
I had a Remington 11-87 Super Magnum 12 ga 3.5". Even though it was gas operated, recoil with 2 1/4 oz turkey loads was brutal. After a couple of turkey seasons, not to mention the fact that it wouldn't cycle 3" or 2.75" shells, I sent it down the road.
My 870 Magnum 12...