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Check out Savage, they offer the 6.5-284 in their F Class rifle but I'n not sure about the sporter rifles. Also check with the Savage Custom Shop. Pop can give you some insight on this. :wink:
JD338
JD338
25-06...22" barrel
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SakoSteve270wsm
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This rifle is going to be part of a 3 rifle battery.I all ready have a Tikka in 243 for coyotes and later I am going to get a Tikka in 338fed for the big stuff.
Right now I am looking for a great deer/antelope/black bear rifle.Of the chamberings in the Tikka the ones that stand out to me are the 3 I listed before.
Not sure how to explain this but will give it a try.When I have a rifle in a caliber like the 7mm-08 I don't care that much about velocity because thats not what its about to ME.On the other hand when I have one like my 270wsm I want it to be able to scream.The 25-06 is like that to ME.Its about the velocity and I don't want one if I can't get it.
I KNOW it doesn't really matter to the animal,put the bullet in the vitals and start skinning. Like POP said its a personal thing. :grin:
Big Squeeze,
Your experience with 35 years of a 9+ pound rifle and then switching to the compact is sorta what I have gone through.I have hunted for 23 years with lots of rifles.Remmingtons,Winchesters,Weatherbys,Savages,Sakos,Rugers and after all those years none of them have fit me better than the Tikka I bought a few months ago.Now I am building a hunting battery around the rifle that I have finally found that works great for me. Thank you for the data on your 300wsm,it shows that the loss is really very little.I guess its just one of those things that I know its not a big deal but just can't get around it heh.Will have to give it some more thought.
Ok thats all for now,feel like I am rambling :lol:
Right now I am looking for a great deer/antelope/black bear rifle.Of the chamberings in the Tikka the ones that stand out to me are the 3 I listed before.
Not sure how to explain this but will give it a try.When I have a rifle in a caliber like the 7mm-08 I don't care that much about velocity because thats not what its about to ME.On the other hand when I have one like my 270wsm I want it to be able to scream.The 25-06 is like that to ME.Its about the velocity and I don't want one if I can't get it.
I KNOW it doesn't really matter to the animal,put the bullet in the vitals and start skinning. Like POP said its a personal thing. :grin: Big Squeeze,
Your experience with 35 years of a 9+ pound rifle and then switching to the compact is sorta what I have gone through.I have hunted for 23 years with lots of rifles.Remmingtons,Winchesters,Weatherbys,Savages,Sakos,Rugers and after all those years none of them have fit me better than the Tikka I bought a few months ago.Now I am building a hunting battery around the rifle that I have finally found that works great for me.
Thank you for the data on your 300wsm,it shows that the loss is really very little.I guess its just one of those things that I know its not a big deal but just can't get around it heh.Will have to give it some more thought.Ok thats all for now,feel like I am rambling :lol:
Big Squeeze
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..................................I understand. I bought my compact because of the rifle itself, knowing full well that I would lose some velocity potential vs, the full sized 24" ers!.......I made a compromise! I have a great lite carbine that is designed for easy carry in brush and timber and is also very capable for long range plains hunting as well........I gave up certain things in order to gain other things! Nevertheless, I still have a very hi-powered rifle that well exceeds the ballistics from a 24" barreled 30-06 and capable of taking any N/A big game!.........I still accomplish what I wish to, as I always have, but in a smaller package as opposed to my old heavier and longer rifle!.........Good luck!SakoSteve270wsm":1y3kkaso said:This rifle is going to be part of a 3 rifle battery.I all ready have a Tikka in 243 for coyotes and later I am going to get a Tikka in 338fed for the big stuff.
Right now I am looking for a great deer/antelope/black bear rifle.Of the chamberings in the Tikka the ones that stand out to me are the 3 I listed before.
Not sure how to explain this but will give it a try.When I have a rifle in a caliber like the 7mm-08 I don't care that much about velocity because thats not what its about to ME.On the other hand when I have one like my 270wsm I want it to be able to scream.The 25-06 is like that to ME.Its about the velocity and I don't want one if I can't get it.
Big Squeeze,
Your experience with 35 years of a 9+ pound rifle and then switching to the compact is sorta what I have gone through.I have hunted for 23 years with lots of rifles.Remmingtons,Winchesters,Weatherbys,Savages,Sakos,Rugers and after all those years none of them have fit me better than the Tikka I bought a few months ago.Now I am building a hunting battery around the rifle that I have finally found that works great for me.
Ok thats all for now,feel like I am rambling :lol:
SakoSteve270wsm, Two friends and I went hunting yesterday and got one goat each. The sunsent was sublime, dragging the goats was not. Glad I had the stubby model 7. I use to carry a Sako Finnbear in 30-06 for goat hunting. Small and light is good. Can't shoot as far as the Sako, but I found out the farther you shoot it, the longer you have to climb to get it and the farther you have to drag bring it back. Climbing mountains at 2200 hours gets hairy. Just thought I'd share.
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SakoSteve270wsm
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russ808,
The land I seen one the video was steep and rugged.I bet it is a lot of work getting them out.It sure looked beautiful however,and what a view hunting with the ocean in sight. 8)
Thanks for sharing!Any pics ?!?!?!
The land I seen one the video was steep and rugged.I bet it is a lot of work getting them out.It sure looked beautiful however,and what a view hunting with the ocean in sight. 8)
Thanks for sharing!Any pics ?!?!?!
I owned a remington 700 sps with a 24" barrel, and an older Browning a-bolt stainless stalker with a 22" barrel. I never loaded any 100 gr bullets but here is some load data I do have. Note, I used same chronograph, same cases, primers, and same lot of powder and same lot of bullets. With 110 gr accubonds and 52 grains of imr 4350, av vel 3190 fps from the Browning, average vel. from the Remington with same load was 3200 fps. With 115 gr ballistic tips: 54 gr imr 4831 gave an average velocity of 3170 fps from the Remington, 52 gr imr 4831, av vel 3100 fps from the Browning. 51.5 gr Imr 4350 and 115 gr ballistic av vel 3130 fps from the Browning. These loads may help you for some references. I had some more data but can't find it. Velocities vary from gun to gun, but I think you should be able to get what you want from a 22 " barrel. You may also want to go to Google search, and type in rem 700 truing by sisk rifles, enter that, and it will take you to comments from 24 hr campfire.com. There you will find a article by Charlie Sisk on truing a Rem 700 action, scroll to the end of the article and you will find an in depth test Charlie did on velocities from shortening the barrels of several different calibers of rifles, I think it is an interesting article.
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JD338":2fzltswk said:
Jim is right. Call the custom shop and ask for Effie. She is wonderful! Just order your own to your specs.
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SakoSteve270wsm
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overmax,
First of all welcome to the forum !
Thank you for the info.3190fps with a 110gr AB from a 22" barrel sounds pretty darn good.Nosler #6 shows 3267 MAX from a 24".Your data backs up what Big Squeeze has shown from his Ruger frontier.Very little loss with 2" less barrel. 8)
First of all welcome to the forum !
Thank you for the info.3190fps with a 110gr AB from a 22" barrel sounds pretty darn good.Nosler #6 shows 3267 MAX from a 24".Your data backs up what Big Squeeze has shown from his Ruger frontier.Very little loss with 2" less barrel. 8)
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SakoSteve270wsm":17sd3r5b said:
Go for it. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. :lol:
JD338
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Cartridge : .25-06 Rem.
Bullet : .257, 110, Nosler AccuBond 53742
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.250 inch or 82.55 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch or 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-22
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 82 46.00 2499 1525 31111 11414 87.6 1.442
-18.0 84 47.15 2565 1607 33316 11821 89.1 1.404
-16.0 86 48.30 2632 1692 35683 12217 90.6 1.367
-14.0 88 49.45 2700 1780 38226 12599 92.0 1.328
-12.0 90 50.60 2768 1871 40959 12966 93.2 1.285
-10.0 92 51.75 2835 1964 43899 13316 94.4 1.243
-08.0 94 52.90 2903 2059 47064 13646 95.5 1.203
-06.0 96 54.05 2972 2157 50454 13955 96.5 1.165
-04.0 98 55.20 3040 2257 54066 14241 97.3 1.128
-02.0 100 56.35 3108 2359 57938 14502 98.1 1.092 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 102 57.50 3175 2463 62094 14736 98.7 1.058 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 104 58.65 3243 2569 66561 14942 99.2 1.025 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 107 59.80 3310 2677 71365 15117 99.6 0.992 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 109 60.95 3377 2786 76539 15261 99.9 0.962 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 111 62.10 3444 2897 82118 15372 100.0 0.932 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 113 63.25 3510 3009 88141 15452 100.0 0.903 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 102 57.50 3334 2715 75199 14383 100.0 0.973 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 102 57.50 2958 2138 49499 14237 92.5 1.169
Cartridge : .25-06 Rem.
Bullet : .257, 110, Nosler AccuBond 53742
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.250 inch or 82.55 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch or 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-25
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 87 48.00 2520 1551 30770 11846 91.9 1.441
-18.0 89 49.20 2589 1638 32985 12252 93.4 1.401
-16.0 91 50.40 2660 1728 35369 12634 94.8 1.363
-14.0 93 51.60 2730 1820 37937 12989 96.1 1.323
-12.0 96 52.80 2801 1916 40703 13315 97.2 1.279
-10.0 98 54.00 2871 2013 43686 13608 98.1 1.236
-08.0 100 55.20 2941 2113 46907 13866 98.9 1.195
-06.0 102 56.40 3011 2215 50386 14086 99.4 1.155
-04.0 104 57.60 3081 2319 54153 14267 99.8 1.117
-02.0 106 58.80 3150 2424 58231 14404 100.0 1.080 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 109 60.00 3218 2530 62656 14505 100.0 1.045 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 111 61.20 3286 2637 67462 14595 100.0 1.010 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 113 62.40 3353 2746 72692 14681 100.0 0.977 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 115 63.60 3420 2856 78390 14761 100.0 0.945 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 117 64.80 3486 2967 84615 14835 100.0 0.914 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 120 66.00 3551 3080 91423 14902 100.0 0.884 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 109 60.00 3363 2763 77622 13929 100.0 0.958 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 109 60.00 2999 2197 49939 14649 96.7 1.156
Bullet : .257, 110, Nosler AccuBond 53742
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.250 inch or 82.55 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch or 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-22
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 82 46.00 2499 1525 31111 11414 87.6 1.442
-18.0 84 47.15 2565 1607 33316 11821 89.1 1.404
-16.0 86 48.30 2632 1692 35683 12217 90.6 1.367
-14.0 88 49.45 2700 1780 38226 12599 92.0 1.328
-12.0 90 50.60 2768 1871 40959 12966 93.2 1.285
-10.0 92 51.75 2835 1964 43899 13316 94.4 1.243
-08.0 94 52.90 2903 2059 47064 13646 95.5 1.203
-06.0 96 54.05 2972 2157 50454 13955 96.5 1.165
-04.0 98 55.20 3040 2257 54066 14241 97.3 1.128
-02.0 100 56.35 3108 2359 57938 14502 98.1 1.092 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 102 57.50 3175 2463 62094 14736 98.7 1.058 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 104 58.65 3243 2569 66561 14942 99.2 1.025 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 107 59.80 3310 2677 71365 15117 99.6 0.992 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 109 60.95 3377 2786 76539 15261 99.9 0.962 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 111 62.10 3444 2897 82118 15372 100.0 0.932 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 113 63.25 3510 3009 88141 15452 100.0 0.903 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 102 57.50 3334 2715 75199 14383 100.0 0.973 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 102 57.50 2958 2138 49499 14237 92.5 1.169
Cartridge : .25-06 Rem.
Bullet : .257, 110, Nosler AccuBond 53742
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.250 inch or 82.55 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch or 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-25
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 87 48.00 2520 1551 30770 11846 91.9 1.441
-18.0 89 49.20 2589 1638 32985 12252 93.4 1.401
-16.0 91 50.40 2660 1728 35369 12634 94.8 1.363
-14.0 93 51.60 2730 1820 37937 12989 96.1 1.323
-12.0 96 52.80 2801 1916 40703 13315 97.2 1.279
-10.0 98 54.00 2871 2013 43686 13608 98.1 1.236
-08.0 100 55.20 2941 2113 46907 13866 98.9 1.195
-06.0 102 56.40 3011 2215 50386 14086 99.4 1.155
-04.0 104 57.60 3081 2319 54153 14267 99.8 1.117
-02.0 106 58.80 3150 2424 58231 14404 100.0 1.080 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 109 60.00 3218 2530 62656 14505 100.0 1.045 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 111 61.20 3286 2637 67462 14595 100.0 1.010 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 113 62.40 3353 2746 72692 14681 100.0 0.977 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 115 63.60 3420 2856 78390 14761 100.0 0.945 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 117 64.80 3486 2967 84615 14835 100.0 0.914 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 120 66.00 3551 3080 91423 14902 100.0 0.884 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 109 60.00 3363 2763 77622 13929 100.0 0.958 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 109 60.00 2999 2197 49939 14649 96.7 1.156
