264 Win Mag vs 270 WSM

[orchemo]

I have a Rem 700 CDL. flutted barrel in 264 WM. Nice rifle, shoots well. I have found a 140 gr AB load with a bunch of Retumbo that shoots very well.

My problem is that I really like Sako Finnlights. I have 4, so I better like them.
7mm-08, 30-06, 270 WSM and 300 WSM.

Took both the 270 WSM and 264 WM to the range this morning and while the 264 is nice, I just feel very comfortable with the Finnlights and shoot them well.

I know there are ballistic advantages of the 6.5 - 140 gr AB, but for my hunting and shooting, not sure the difference is that big.

Trying to convince myself to keep the 264, but.......

 

[dubyam]

It all depends on what sort of hunting you do. I've compared the 264 to my 270Wby, which is about 100fps faster than your WSM, across the board, and there's no difference using comparable weight for caliber bullets. Figuring in my comparison between the 270Wby and 270WSM, I can tell you you'll give up a few inches (maybe half a minute to a minute) from 300-500yds, and basically nothing in between. The 270WSM is a fine round, and if you handle the Sako better (more comfortably) you're likely to be more accurate with it. That will take away any differences right there. Of course, if the Sako is MOA and the Remington is .5MOA, you get a different story. But I suspect the Sako is as accurate as the Remington if not more so.

 

[muleman]

Hunt the one you shoot the best. I don't think you'll know the difference. What range is that?

Scott

 

[orchemo]

That we be the Finnlight

The range is Douglas Ridge. Nice morning today.

 

[1Shot]

Hunt with BOTH. I hunt with a number of different rifles. I usually take three or four rifles and a Contender pistol with me on my annual 3 week long deer hunt every year. I usually kill a deer or two with all of them. Life is too short to only hunt with one rifle. LOL

 

[SJB358]

Eric, I have thought the same thing a few times, since I have the 264 and 270WSM as well. I actually think the 270WSM has more juice than the 264 since the heavier bullets are a little easier to come by and the 270 has the ability to scoot them a little faster. I like them both but realize there isn't any real difference between either of them. Both of mine are Model 70 Sporters, so there isn't enough difference between the two to matter either.

I really like your Remington, that is a sharp rifle. I know your Sako's are real nice too. Good luck with your decision, nothing easy about picking either or. If I had to get rid of one of mine, the 264 would go first as the 270 has alot more history than the 264, but it is personal, not performance based.

Who knows, this year if I am going to be hunting in open areas, the 264 is getting hunted. So, maybe I'll have a shift but I don't think it'll show me anything my WSM hasn't already.

 

[orchemo]

To rub salt in the wound. I just got a notice from buds gun shop that they have 8 Sako Finnlights in 6.5 Swede available. Well now they only have 7

 

[SJB358]

To rub salt in the wound. I just got a notice from buds gun shop that they have 8 Sako Finnlights in 6.5 Swede available. Well now they only have 7

You dirty dog! Darn you! That's the danged rifle I want bad! Man, 1-8 twist, light and probably so accurate it hurts! Congrats

I wanted the smaller 6.5 to go along with my 264. I figure both using the same bullets would be sweet. I like that 6.5 Swede a ton. Run it modern specs and wow, it's a solid performer. Not that it was a slouch before but man, it's a sweet cartridge.

 

[orchemo]

They still have a couple left. Good price also

 

[DrMike]

To rub salt in the wound. I just got a notice from buds gun shop that they have 8 Sako Finnlights in 6.5 Swede available. Well now they only have 7

Good move for someone who collects them. That'd be a sweet cartridge.

 

[SJB358]

They still have a couple left. Good price also

I saw that! Danged you man...

I am a little envious about that rifle. That looks to be the epitome of a light and highly capable rifle that is going to be carried all day long!

Plus, again, the performance of the Swede is really something. I am surprised QL hasn't kicked me out I have ran so many different combos!

This is the one that I would love to try though.. That bullet would have to be some fierce on bigger animals from what I have seen of the other Oryx's.

Cartridge : 6.5 x 55 Swedish
Bullet : .264, 156, Norma ORYX 66524
Useable Case Capaci: 52.900 grain H2O = 3.435 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.150 inch = 80.01 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Accurate MAGPRO

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 80 41.47 2197 1672 30454 9718 87.3 1.698
-18.0 82 42.51 2255 1761 32554 10058 88.7 1.653
-16.0 84 43.55 2313 1854 34809 10388 90.1 1.609
-14.0 86 44.58 2372 1949 37232 10709 91.4 1.566
-12.0 88 45.62 2431 2046 39840 11020 92.6 1.524
-10.0 90 46.66 2490 2147 42644 11317 93.7 1.481
-08.0 92 47.69 2549 2250 45667 11600 94.7 1.434
-06.0 94 48.73 2608 2357 48903 11867 95.7 1.388
-04.0 96 49.77 2668 2465 52355 12118 96.6 1.345
-02.0 98 50.80 2727 2576 56059 12350 97.3 1.303 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 100 51.84 2787 2690 60045 12562 98.0 1.262 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 102 52.88 2846 2806 64338 12753 98.6 1.223 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 104 53.91 2906 2925 68967 12922 99.1 1.185 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 106 54.95 2965 3045 73966 13066 99.5 1.149 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 108 55.99 3024 3168 79373 13186 99.8 1.113 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 110 57.02 3083 3293 85231 13279 99.9 1.079 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 100 51.84 2930 2974 73263 12281 100.0 1.161 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 100 51.84 2593 2328 47519 12107 91.3 1.395



Cartridge : 6.5 x 55 Swedish
Bullet : .264, 156, Norma ORYX 66524
Useable Case Capaci: 52.900 grain H2O = 3.435 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.150 inch = 80.01 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : IMR 7828 SSC

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 79 39.67 2225 1714 31608 9610 90.7 1.658
-18.0 81 40.66 2281 1803 33724 9923 92.0 1.614
-16.0 83 41.66 2338 1894 35986 10224 93.2 1.571
-14.0 85 42.65 2396 1988 38407 10513 94.3 1.529
-12.0 87 43.64 2453 2084 41000 10788 95.3 1.488
-10.0 89 44.63 2510 2183 43779 11047 96.3 1.443
-08.0 91 45.62 2568 2284 46759 11290 97.1 1.398
-06.0 93 46.61 2625 2387 49959 11514 97.8 1.355
-04.0 95 47.61 2682 2492 53396 11718 98.5 1.314
-02.0 97 48.60 2740 2600 57094 11902 99.0 1.274 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 99 49.59 2797 2709 61077 12063 99.4 1.236 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 101 50.58 2853 2820 65370 12201 99.7 1.198 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 103 51.57 2910 2933 70001 12314 99.9 1.162 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 105 52.57 2966 3048 75022 12402 100.0 1.128 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 107 53.56 3022 3164 80454 12469 100.0 1.094 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 109 54.55 3078 3282 86349 12530 100.0 1.061 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 99 49.59 2922 2957 74240 11591 100.0 1.143 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 99 49.59 2618 2375 49475 11885 94.2 1.356



Cartridge : 6.5 x 55 Swedish
Bullet : .264, 156, Norma ORYX 66524
Useable Case Capaci: 52.900 grain H2O = 3.435 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.150 inch = 80.01 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Norma MRP

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 79 40.00 2246 1747 31244 9972 94.5 1.679
-18.0 81 41.00 2302 1836 33369 10263 95.6 1.635
-16.0 83 42.00 2359 1927 35644 10539 96.5 1.592
-14.0 84 43.00 2415 2021 38083 10799 97.4 1.550
-12.0 86 44.00 2472 2116 40700 11040 98.1 1.509
-10.0 88 45.00 2528 2213 43508 11262 98.7 1.464
-08.0 90 46.00 2584 2313 46524 11463 99.2 1.418
-06.0 92 47.00 2639 2413 49769 11642 99.6 1.375
-04.0 94 48.00 2695 2516 53235 11798 99.9 1.333
-02.0 96 49.00 2750 2619 56924 11930 100.0 1.293 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 98 50.00 2804 2724 60873 12039 100.0 1.254 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 100 51.00 2859 2831 65107 12141 100.0 1.216 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 102 52.00 2912 2938 69651 12239 100.0 1.181 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 104 53.00 2966 3046 74534 12333 100.0 1.146 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 106 54.00 3019 3156 79785 12423 100.0 1.112 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 108 55.00 3071 3268 85443 12508 100.0 1.080 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 98 50.00 2917 2947 74315 11556 100.0 1.158 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 98 50.00 2635 2404 48113 12239 97.2 1.383

 

[orchemo]

SPS has 140 gr CC in 6.5 cal. Ordered a bunch to break in the Finnlight Swede

 

[FOTIS]

I had both and then I bought this and sold hem both.

 

[SJB358]

SPS has 140 gr CC in 6.5 cal. Ordered a bunch to break in the Finnlight Swede

I bet the 140 BT would be real good in the Swede too. It's a really good bullet in my 264.