30-06 AI Loads

[JD338]

Anyone loading a 30-06 AI?

My buddy has a custom M700 blueprinted action, Tubb recoil lug, 26" Hart #5 flutted barrel chambered in 30-06 AI. He is looking for load data with 150 gr, 165 gr and 180 gr bullets. He really wants to use the 165 gr AB for antelope and cow elk.

Any loads is greatly appreciated.

JD338

 

[hubcap]

Good question. The only thing I had archived was in speer manual number 6, copyright-1964. It has data from a 26 inch barrel using rem cases and primers and a 1-10 twist. 4350 and 4831 were the two top powders in those days. The book says use the slowest powder. I guess 4350 was it back then. Anyhow they listed 4350 for the 165 speer bullet at 59 grains for 2991. Also listed 63 gr. of 4831 for 2959. The article in the book stressed slow burning. :wink:

 

[SJB358]

Jim, here are some scans out of my Sierra Manual that may assist you. Scotty

 

[JD338]

Thanks Scotty, this will be a big help for my buddy.

JD338

 

[SJB358]

No sweat Jim! He owes us a picture of the pair of his AI's. Scotty

 

[JohnB]

Nosler #5 and #6 manuals also have 30-06 AI data.

JohnB

 

[hubcap]

Nosler #5 and #6 manuals also have 30-06 AI data.

JohnB

Nice job JohnB. You should of seen how high I jumped off the Easy chair when I saw your post on nosler-5 having load data. I,m calling a fouler shot on on my first post . I missed good that time. :lol: :lol:

 

[JD338]

Nosler #5 and #6 manuals also have 30-06 AI data.

JohnB

I know, looking for additional info. My buddy has been loading H4831 and the speeds are low.
I am thinking IMR 4350, IMR 4064 and RL 19 would get him to 3000 fps with the 165-168 bt bullets.

JD338

 

[JohnB]

JD

I'll have to say it is a little disheartening to see a faster load in Nosler's standard 30-06 data for 165 to 168 grains. I don't have any experience with the 30-06 AI, but it does look like IMR 4350 might get you there. I wouldn't rule out H4350 either. Another thing I thought of, German Salazar has an article on his site titled 30-06 update, in this article he discusses the case capacity of different types of 30-06 brass. He found that Norma brass was the lightest by about 10 grains and this translated into about 2 grains more powder capacity. That extra capacity might help get you to 3000.

JohnB

 

[efw]

Nosler #5 and #6 manuals also have 30-06 AI data.

JohnB

I know, looking for additional info. My buddy has been loading H4831 and the speeds are low.
I am thinking IMR 4350, IMR 4064 and RL 19 would get him to 3000 fps with the 165-168 bt bullets.

JD338

Jim I'd about guarantee that Hunter would be Mike's friend if you're looking for 3k w/ a 165 in the AI. That stuff is about as slow as RL19, but has better load density.

It also has produced wonderful accuracy in my mountain-weight '06.

If I were you I'd email Johan Loubser at ramshot and get data, or just have Mike start w/ RS's max loads for the standard '06.

 

[SJB358]

Jim, do you think RL22 would be a good one. Seems like if it works with the 280 well, it should work decently in the 30-06AI? If H4831 is a little slow it seems like RL22 always betters it, speed wise at least. Just wondering. Scotty

 

[Antelope_Sniper]

JD, I've never loaded for the 30.06AI, but here are the two places I would start:

Cartridge : .30-06 Ack Imp
Bullet : .308, 180, Nosler BalTip 30180
Useable Case Capaci: 60.603 grain H2O = 3.935 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.332 inch = 84.63 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-22

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 0.8% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-08.0 102 57.50 2663 2834 42640 8916 93.6 1.396
-07.2 103 58.00 2689 2889 43866 9002 94.0 1.378
-06.4 104 58.50 2714 2945 45132 9086 94.5 1.360
-05.6 104 59.00 2740 3000 46439 9168 94.9 1.343
-04.8 105 59.50 2766 3057 47791 9247 95.3 1.325
-04.0 106 60.00 2791 3114 49188 9324 95.7 1.308
-03.2 107 60.50 2817 3172 50629 9398 96.0 1.291 ! Near Maximum !
-02.4 108 61.00 2843 3230 52122 9471 96.4 1.274 ! Near Maximum !
-01.6 109 61.50 2869 3289 53665 9540 96.7 1.258 ! Near Maximum !
-00.8 110 62.00 2894 3349 55261 9607 97.1 1.241 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 111 62.50 2920 3409 56911 9670 97.4 1.225 ! Near Maximum !
+00.8 112 63.00 2946 3469 58622 9732 97.7 1.210 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+01.6 112 63.50 2972 3530 60392 9790 97.9 1.194 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.4 113 64.00 2998 3592 62226 9845 98.2 1.178 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.2 114 64.50 3024 3655 64126 9897 98.4 1.163 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 115 65.00 3050 3717 66096 9946 98.7 1.148 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 3% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 3% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 111 62.50 2973 3534 60660 9678 98.6 1.193 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 3% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 111 62.50 2862 3275 53348 9609 95.6 1.260 ! Near Maximum !




Cartridge : .30-06 Ack Imp
Bullet : .308, 180, Nosler BalTip 30180
Useable Case Capaci: 60.603 grain H2O = 3.935 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.332 inch = 84.63 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Accurate MAGPRO

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 0.763% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-07.6 102 60.50 2641 2787 41876 8996 88.4 1.410
-06.9 103 61.00 2667 2842 43082 9093 88.9 1.391
-06.1 104 61.50 2693 2898 44329 9188 89.5 1.373
-05.3 104 62.00 2719 2955 45618 9282 90.0 1.355
-04.6 105 62.50 2745 3012 46951 9374 90.5 1.337
-03.8 106 63.00 2772 3071 48331 9464 91.0 1.319
-03.1 107 63.50 2798 3130 49755 9552 91.5 1.302
-02.3 108 64.00 2825 3189 51239 9638 92.0 1.285 ! Near Maximum !
-01.5 109 64.50 2852 3250 52770 9721 92.5 1.268 ! Near Maximum !
-00.8 109 65.00 2878 3311 54358 9803 92.9 1.251 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 110 65.50 2905 3373 56002 9882 93.4 1.235 ! Near Maximum !
+00.8 111 66.00 2932 3436 57709 9958 93.8 1.218 ! Near Maximum !
+01.5 112 66.50 2959 3499 59479 10033 94.2 1.202 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.3 113 67.00 2986 3564 61317 10104 94.6 1.186 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.1 114 67.50 3013 3629 63224 10173 95.0 1.170 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.8 114 68.00 3040 3695 65204 10239 95.4 1.155 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 3% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 3% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 110 65.50 2967 3518 59824 9987 95.4 1.200 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 3% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 110 65.50 2839 3221 52383 9725 90.9 1.272 ! Near Maximum !



QL shows an unreasonably low max pressure of 58k psi the the 30.06AI. I'd load it up to what I felt the action was capable of.

A 180gr BT at 3,000 FPS would be very effective on anything from Antelope to Elk.

 

[JD338]

Thanks fellas.
My buddy loaded up RL 17 and hit the speeds he was looking for.
The 165 gr Hornady SST went 3025 fps ES 4 SD 2 and .5 MOA at 200 yds. I think he is set to go!
He also shot some 150 gr loads and was around 3140 fps.
Scotty, you nailed it buddy! RL 17 is the ticket in the 30-06 AI.

JD338

 

[SJB358]

Wow, those sound like some great loads Jim! I would be very happy with that kinda speed! Scotty

 

[JD338]

Here is a picture of his rig...
M700 blueprinted action, Hart #5 26" flutted barrel with a Williams brake, Tubb recoil lug in a HS Precision stock. Scope is a Mark 4 4.5-14x40mm.

Here is a 30-06 AI next to a 25-06 AI

JD338

 

[SJB358]

That 30-06AI looks to be all business Jim. Can't see anything not to like about that combo... That is just one of those rifles that looks like it is going to get carried everywhere!

Brian, if your watching this thread, that would be the set up to have for your 264-35Whelen (AI'ed of course)! :twisted: Scotty

 

[Woodycreek]

I'm I watching this thread? Are you kidding me? The thread is about an AIed rifle :mrgreen: Very interesting stuff!

 

[JohnB]

Nice rifle, Nice load. RL 17 seems to be a great powder for many applications. Congratulations guys.

JohnB

 

[gerry]

I'm curious how how much would you really gain over the regular 30-06 in real life at similar pressures. I'm sure you all know that guys with wildcats generally hot rod them to the max Since there are more limited choices in left hand guns a 30-06 AI looks pretty interesting to me.

 

[JD338]

Gerry,

My buddy is not running MAX loads in his 30-06 AI but is getting a nice step up from standard 30-06 loads. He is also using Lapua brass so I am guessing he is going to get excellent case life.

JD338