30-06 XL7 and adjusted loads

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Dec 26, 2007
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My previous work with my Marlin XL7 30-06 with a 22" barrel produced over 3,000fps with a 165gr load and three rounds being tested with a strain gauge averaged 63,751 of pressure and certainly this is a +P 30-06 load if there was such a thing out there certified as a +P load for the 30-06, but there isn't, so it is time to back down as I already have. Will be posting in the near future on this thread new load results for a variety of bullets, powders, primers and brass along with OAL data.

As far as my action being a modern action and stronger action than older rifles which can't and should not handle these pressures in the 63,000 range, neither should I continue in theses ranges with my modern action. There is no reason to push my rifle to the edge when I can use a 300Win Mag if I want over 3000fps with a 165gr bullet.

Frankly, I am more than satisfied getting in the low 2900fps out of my 30-06 and a 165gr bullet, not pushing the envelope or my rifle while having outstanding velocities for my 22" barreled 06 and better accuracy to boot. I do believe judicious load development and careful planning of my method of moving up in load charges in very small 2 tenths of a grain increments, as well as using different types of brass (Remington and Winchester) along with different primers (Rem 9 1/2 M, 210 fed, CCI 250 and Rem 9 1/2) to see how these combinations worked with each increase of my powder charge. This proved to be very beneficial in not being to extreme in my final load, although it was a hot load. Now I am using as stated above a reduced load and it falls in the low 2900fps range.

I think the 30-06 has so much potential that is untapped (always believed this of the 30-06) now that we have new actions, powders, and a very large variety of bullets to do so much with the 06 in the years to come. I do love the 30-06 and always have, but the days of IMR4350 being the best powder for the 06 over the spectrum of bullets weights available are long gone, although it is still a good powder to use for the 06 with some bullet weights, but no longer the overall best powder for the 30-06.
 
FOTIS":19lco6lw said:
Data coming your way


Thanks man, appreciate it. This will help me with the accumulated components I have to do extended load work so I know what works best. TINKER is back and doing well. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
 
bullet":1tx0ncrp said:
My previous work with my Marlin XL7 30-06 with a 22" barrel produced over 3,000fps with a 165gr load and three rounds being tested with a strain gauge averaged 63,751 of pressure...

Bullet,

Can I ask what powder you used? Charge?

I would also be quite surprised if my 30-06 produced 3000 fps with a 165 grain bullet!

v/r
Joel
 
joelkdouglas":1hwxxmwv said:
bullet":1hwxxmwv said:
My previous work with my Marlin XL7 30-06 with a 22" barrel produced over 3,000fps with a 165gr load and three rounds being tested with a strain gauge averaged 63,751 of pressure...

Bullet,

Can I ask what powder you used? Charge?

I would also be quite surprised if my 30-06 produced 3000 fps with a 165 grain bullet!

v/r
Joel


Since all rifle chambers even though chambered for the same cartridge are not the same I will not give the charge. Use W760, Rem brass, Rem 9 1/2 M primers and start at 57grs working up and the charge I was able to get my results was over 58grs. viewtopic.php?f=4&t=22727
 
FOTIS":3iuwez8e said:
Me too but the winds de-energize me!

Not my fault you live in Wyoming :mrgreen: :mrgreen: We sure have a nice spring down hear which is my favorite time to do load work. :mrgreen:
 
I was just fine with your pressure and impressed with the velocity of your load - but I also understand your desire to stay within published pressure limits for the cartridge.

I believe several of the different progeny of the .30-06 have different max pressure figures. I suppose that can be looked up somewhere. Seems to me that the .280 and .30-06 are fairly low while the .25-06 and .270 were higher. Can't remember that for sure though.

Heck, I'm only getting 2750 fps with a 165 from my 21" .30-06 rifle, and it does a fine job on bucks & bear!

Regards, Guy
 
FOTIS":3j8k0bgm said:
What the heck does that feel like????????

Down here from 50 to 70 degrees most of early spring and sometimes in to late spring with 5 to 7 mile an hour winds out of the southeast or northwest, either blowing gently in my face or from my back as I sit at the bench :mrgreen:
 
I agree if the 308 modern bolt and brass can be loaded to 65K so can a 30-06. They do not make weaker bolt actions and brass for the 30-06 on purpose.

That said I do your self-imposed parameters Mike.
 
bullet":1f69cfrl said:
FOTIS":1f69cfrl said:
What the heck does that feel like????????

Down here from 50 to 70 degrees most of early spring and sometimes in to late spring with 5 to 7 mile an hour winds out of the southeast or northwest, either blowing gently in my face or from my back as I sit at the bench :mrgreen:

We had 65 MPH gusts just yesterday!
 
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Wyoming is windy and during the winter there are frequent periods when the wind reaches 30 to 40 mph with gusts of 50 or 60 mph (ranks 1st in the US with an annual average wind speed of 12.9 mph)
 
Guy Miner":3521500d said:
I was just fine with your pressure and impressed with the velocity of your load - but I also understand your desire to stay within published pressure limits for the cartridge.

I believe several of the different progeny of the .30-06 have different max pressure figures. I suppose that can be looked up somewhere. Seems to me that the .280 and .30-06 are fairly low while the .25-06 and .270 were higher. Can't remember that for sure though.

Heck, I'm only getting 2750 fps with a 165 from my 21" .30-06 rifle, and it does a fine job on bucks & bear!

Regards, Guy

Yeah, I usually moved the 165gr bullet around 2820fps and man it will slap a deer and perfect velocities for most of the 30 cal bullets. In my Mark V 06 I drove it 2940fps and when I hit that black bear at 90 years he did not run anywhere. My present load of 2900fps plus and is with the SAAMI parameters using W760 will be a deer, hog and black bear slayer.
 
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