300 Win Mag & 150 AB?

[WVHILLBILLYJLM]

Anyone use this combo on whitetails? How did they perform? What range? What loads?

Thanks for any info,

WVHILLBILLYJLM

 

[FOTIS]

Probably not much help but I have played with them in the 300 RUM. With RL22 they hit 3600 fps or so . Talk about flat shooting. Anyway I ran this simulation for you.

Cartridge : .300 Win. Mag.(R)
Bullet : .308, 150, Nosler AccuBond 56719
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch or 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch or 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.

Matching Maximum Pressure: 64570 psi, or 445 MPa

or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 105 %

These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

114 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.

Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Norma MRP 105.0 79.5 5.15 3321 98.9 60118 13167 1.074 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350 100.7 72.7 4.71 3311 99.8 64570 12006 1.039 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 104.9 75.7 4.90 3308 98.2 64570 12355 1.034 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 97.9 75.7 4.90 3306 99.7 64570 12149 1.047 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365 103.0 74.3 4.82 3305 100.0 64570 11335 1.054 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 95.4 73.3 4.75 3304 99.3 64570 12188 1.048 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 100.6 72.2 4.68 3289 100.0 64570 11692 1.052 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 105.0 76.2 4.94 3289 98.1 63497 12385 1.050 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 100.6 72.2 4.68 3288 100.0 64570 11688 1.053 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 97.7 72.5 4.70 3288 100.0 64570 11828 1.057 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 104.3 72.4 4.69 3284 100.0 64570 11664 1.068 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 105.0 78.3 5.07 3281 96.3 60143 12828 1.064 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4 103.3 75.0 4.86 3279 98.0 64570 12103 1.042 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 100.0 75.0 4.86 3279 98.0 64570 12103 1.042 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 103.3 75.0 4.86 3279 98.0 64570 12103 1.042 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 91.8 71.0 4.60 3275 99.6 64570 11860 1.056 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot BigGame 97.0 70.4 4.56 3268 100.0 64570 11277 1.051 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 11 94.1 70.5 4.57 3267 100.0 64570 11260 1.051 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895 92.9 65.2 4.23 3260 100.0 64570 10677 1.035 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 105.0 76.2 4.94 3257 97.8 62003 12221 1.062 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350 105.0 73.0 4.73 3255 97.3 63981 11954 1.049 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 ~approximation 91.7 66.5 4.31 3253 100.0 64570 11168 1.056 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15 91.7 66.5 4.31 3253 100.0 64570 11168 1.056 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA11 91.7 66.5 4.31 3253 100.0 64570 11168 1.056 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B 92.1 66.8 4.33 3248 100.0 64570 11071 1.058 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904 104.1 74.5 4.82 3244 97.1 64570 11767 1.045 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 105.0 77.9 5.04 3244 95.1 56893 13047 1.099
Hodgdon H380 92.9 68.9 4.47 3243 100.0 64570 11303 1.060 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385 105.0 77.0 4.99 3243 98.8 63092 11861 1.071 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320 93.7 66.9 4.33 3234 100.0 64570 10766 1.043 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213 105.0 77.0 4.99 3234 95.7 58407 12575 1.078 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 93.3 68.4 4.43 3234 100.0 64570 10881 1.070 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903 98.2 68.5 4.44 3228 100.0 64570 10798 1.070 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355 95.6 67.9 4.40 3224 100.0 64570 10810 1.064 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907 97.8 69.7 4.52 3221 98.9 64570 11363 1.055 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 94.7 69.7 4.52 3220 98.9 64570 11355 1.055 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15 105.0 77.0 4.99 3218 97.0 56317 12660 1.109
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 105.0 77.0 4.99 3218 97.0 56317 12660 1.109
Alliant Reloder-22 105.0 77.0 4.99 3218 97.0 56317 12660 1.109
ADI AR 2208 94.3 66.4 4.30 3216 100.0 64570 10778 1.046 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET 94.6 66.4 4.30 3216 100.0 64570 10778 1.046 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 105.0 81.0 5.25 3214 93.2 56085 12969 1.112
IMR 4064 95.1 65.2 4.22 3208 100.0 64570 10589 1.050 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 3031 91.1 61.8 4.00 3202 100.0 64570 10066 1.061 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895 94.2 66.2 4.29 3196 100.0 64570 10203 1.050 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 97.2 65.9 4.27 3188 100.0 64570 10233 1.090 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC 105.0 77.0 4.99 3186 94.7 59368 11911 1.079 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R902 91.8 64.2 4.16 3182 100.0 64570 10251 1.066 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N150 100.7 68.9 4.47 3177 100.0 64570 10158 1.063 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N540 91.5 67.1 4.35 3175 100.0 64570 10168 1.063 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N140 97.1 67.7 4.39 3173 100.0 64570 10114 1.057 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2700 95.8 71.8 4.65 3166 98.7 64570 10708 1.059 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 105.0 73.0 4.73 3165 99.3 57035 11592 1.119
Accurate 2495 90.5 62.1 4.02 3162 100.0 64570 9873 1.094 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905 105.0 75.6 4.90 3138 94.4 54283 12072 1.129
Vihtavuori N135 97.0 63.8 4.14 3135 100.0 64570 9440 1.072 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12 105.0 81.3 5.27 3127 94.6 51422 12526 1.146
Winchester WXR 105.0 75.4 4.88 3123 95.7 51373 12342 1.157
PB Clermont PCL 517 105.0 81.3 5.27 3120 94.4 51128 12515 1.149
Ramshot Magnum (Big Boy) 105.0 81.2 5.26 3115 94.3 50839 12507 1.152
Vihtavuori N133 91.4 60.7 3.93 3082 100.0 64570 8906 1.061 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 105.0 74.0 4.80 3077 93.3 49409 12113 1.166
ADI AP 2214 105.0 79.1 5.13 3069 93.6 50800 11932 1.151
Vihtavuori N165 105.0 75.4 4.88 3055 96.7 52781 11094 1.150
Alliant Reloder-25 105.0 75.8 4.91 3054 98.0 46213 12199 1.205
Hodgdon H4831 105.0 74.0 4.80 3048 92.6 51697 11412 1.149
Vihtavuori N160 105.0 73.0 4.73 3042 94.7 53634 10948 1.140
Norma MRP 2 105.0 76.2 4.94 2939 91.3 41735 12015 1.275
Accurate 3100 105.0 72.1 4.67 2938 97.1 46007 10907 1.254
Vihtavuori N570 105.0 80.3 5.21 2898 82.9 40502 12259 1.289
Hodgdon H1000 105.0 75.4 4.88 2879 90.0 42381 11156 1.254
Hodgdon Retumbo 105.0 76.6 4.96 2785 91.0 36379 11536 1.352
Vihtavuori 24N41 105.0 81.2 5.26 2720 74.2 39092 10216 1.317
Vihtavuori N170 105.0 75.4 4.88 2719 81.3 38372 10148 1.349
ADI AR 2218 105.0 81.2 5.26 2708 75.6 36757 11099 1.352
Hodgdon H870 105.0 78.7 5.10 2647 79.6 32437 10866 1.432
Hodgdon US 869 105.0 81.2 5.26 2611 76.1 33184 10296 1.420
Hodgdon 50BMG 105.0 77.4 5.01 2521 65.5 31912 9229 1.446
SNPE Vectan SP 13 105.0 77.9 5.04 2461 73.4 28706 9241 1.518
PB Clermont PCL 513/520/9520 105.0 77.9 5.04 2392 69.8 27126 8819 1.555
Vihtavuori 20N29 105.0 82.0 5.31 2380 67.3 27050 8894 1.555
Accurate 8700 105.0 78.0 5.06 2353 68.7 26683 8575 1.563
NC A3502 ,test only 105.0 74.5 4.83 2226 47.5 26446 6477 1.574
TLP A 502(RH) ,test only 105.0 74.5 4.83 2200 51.5 24616 6877 1.620
V1734 7-multiperf ,test only 105.0 74.5 4.83 1590 23.5 14107 3169 2.068

 

[WVHILLBILLYJLM]

Thanks POP, I really appreciate that information. I got this rifle not long ago and have been working on some loads for it. I've been working with the 208gr A-Max and RL-22 mostly but it has shown some preferance for 165-168gr BT and SMKs but I'm currently out of them and was looking at other bullets to try.

Do you think 150gr BTs are too light for 300 Win Mag velocities. My shots may range from 25yds to 500yds.

Thanks again,
WVHILLBILLYJLM

 

[JD338]

The BT needs to be at 3000 fps or slower impact velocity, AB at 3100 fps or lower. IMHO, a 150 gr bullet is on the light side and will make for a real mess on close shots.
The 180 gr AB is an excellent all around bullet in your 300 Win Mag. It will buck the wind well and retain a lot of energy for those long range shots.
Work up to 75.0 grs of RL22, this should get you to 3000 fps MV with MOA or better accuracy.

JD338

 

[biggrizz408]

I have used the 150gr ab's on deer out of my 300wm. It makes a real mess of a whitetail at any distance closer than 200yds.I shot a deer at 150yds and it blew chunks of meat 30 feet back the way the shot came from. Try the 180gr ab's and you will be very happy.

 

[FOTIS]

Well said fellas.

 

[Boresighter]

How about the 150 accu. on cow elk? Anyone tried that combo?

 

[Richracer1]

How about the 150 accu. on cow elk? Anyone tried that combo?

I personnally would use either the 180 or 200 AB. If you really want to use a 150, then load up partitions.

 

[FOTIS]

How about the 150 accu. on cow elk? Anyone tried that combo?

Given good placement yes it could be done, no problem.

I knew a fella who shot moose with a 25-06 ad the 100 grain Hornady SP. Try telling him he was undergunned! His freezer proved otherwise year after year. But, he picked his shots very carefully and he lived in a place where moose were like deer, to you and I. If not presented with a good shot ...no sweat come back tomorrow.
Most of us do not have that luxury especially with once in a lifetime hunts.
Point is if you're going to err do it on the heavy side, kind of added insurance, if you will.

I subscribe to the one gun one load theory.

100 gr BT for antelope, varmints in the 25-06

160 AccuBond in my 7mm rem mag- deer elk moose

200 gr AccuBond or 168 gr TTSX (so far) in my 300 RUM elk and above

330 GS Custom at 3100 fps in my 416 WBY---everything more or less.

Not to say you can not play with the lightweights but if you do leave them for lighter game at those super speeds.

Keep life simple.

 

[jtoews80]

+1, Keep life simple!!! I will note that the Nosler #6 has a fairly good range of powders listed if you want to slow down your 150 grn Ab to a velocity it won't destroy so much meat.

CC

 

[7 STW]

Split the difference..165 Ab...

 

[wayles]

I use 76 grains of RL22 and a 150gr AccuBond. Load shoots .5in. at 100 yds. Big Deer 180 # to 200# hog dressed shot with the load are DRT.
Wayles

 

[Mighty Peace]

How about the 150 accu. on cow elk? Anyone tried that combo?

150's should work out of 300WM as the reloads of 140gr AB's in my 270WSM's work flawlessly on elk. I use 180gr AB's in my 300WM loaded to 74.0gr of RL 22 gives my very close to 1/2" groups.

BULLET PLACEMENT is the key!