300 WSM vs 300 Win Mag

[Dr. Vette]

Ok...
But you didn't answer my question.

This is on the OP's 300 WBY, not mine.

That said, if the OP'S rifle were a Mark V Deluxe, do you still stand behind the suppressor suggestion.

A Mark V can be cumbersome to many shooters without a suppressor and adding such certainly makes it even more so.
I see you mention changing stocks...
But now we're in the money of a good suppressor, the monies for a stock if that was your implication of a heavier Mark V and lightening it..

Thus now we're approaching or possibly exceeding a good used rifle and close to a new one....in something that will be very long...

Don't get me wrong we don't know what rifle the OP has but IMO I wouldn't add anything additional to a Mark V Deluxe.

I'd either dumb down the WBY or get a nice used Made in USA Winchester in 300wsm with a 24" bbl.
Stay away from the CRPF guns with internal mag

Pre 64 action CRF only, drop floor plate.

Why not put a suppressor on a Deluxe?
Unless it's the one your Grandfather bought or it has some sentimental meaning to leave it as-is, it's still a tool. Even Adam Weatherby said this in a recent podcast - in reality, they sell tools.
I don't find a Mark V any more cumbersome than any other wood stocked rifle of a similar configuration.

His original question was whether to go to a 300 Win or 300 WSM.
My point is still that there is no "need" - that by installing a suppressor you'll have both recoil and sound reduction, and maintain performance.
And, moving to the 300 Win or 300 WSM won't change your life much.

 

[300WSM]

Why not put a suppressor on a Deluxe?
Unless it's the one your Grandfather bought or it has some sentimental meaning to leave it as-is, it's still a tool. Even Adam Weatherby said this in a recent podcast - in reality, they sell tools.
I don't find a Mark V any more cumbersome than any other wood stocked rifle of a similar configuration.

His original question was whether to go to a 300 Win or 300 WSM.
My point is still that there is no "need" - that by installing a suppressor you'll have both recoil and sound reduction, and maintain performance.
And, moving to the 300 Win or 300 WSM won't change your life much.

One could say any weapon is in fact a tool.
I didn't specify the Mark V Dlx due to possible sentiment.
I specified that because there is nothing "down sized" as the OP used in the opening post, about a Wby MkV Dlx.

Unless I missed it we don't in fact know the OP's platform but if it is in fact a MkV Dlx there is nothing small or little or "down sized" about a MKV Dlx. Perhaps you don't think a MkV Dlx is simply a big piece of equipment but I do.
Thus I'd disagree adding another 7-10" on something that's already plenty long to begin with.
Add in the cost of machining it to be suppressor capable (odds are the bbl isn't threaded) along with the cost of a good suppressor, now we're seriously approaching a quality mfg'd used rifle and even a new one by some mfg's.

Thankfully we live in a country that allows the freedom to have many choices and differing opinions.

 

[300WSM]

To the OP...
The more I've thought about this your statement of "size down a bit" keeps jumping back into my head...

Having spent a lot of time with all calibers you mentioned in different platforms, the WSM always stands out to me being smaller.
Almost all of them were made with a 24" bbl.
The WinMag, more than not, and especially WBY almost always are in a 26" variety.
The WSM is a short action.
The other two are long.

If you want to stat 30 cal and size down a lot...shoot 168's out of a 308.
Mostly found with a 22" bbl, short action, less powder if you load your own, etc etc.

If you just want to down size a little bit, I don't see enough difference with the 300 Win Mag vs. The Wby
Definitely WSM with it's short action and often times shorter bbl than the other two.


Good luck in your endeavor and let us know what you decide.

 

[Dr. Vette]

Perhaps you don't think a MkV Dlx is simply a big piece of equipment but I do.
Thus I'd disagree adding another 7-10" on something that's already plenty long to begin with.

No, I don't think a Mark V is any "larger" piece of equipment than a Win Model 70 with the same barrel, for example.
Note that I shoot my Banish 30 in 9" length on my 26" barrels on my Mark V. In open country it's not a big deal. Is it the "best" configuration? No, but I've used it many times with success.

A good rifle and a good suppressor cost about the same. However, a suppressor is usable on more than 1 rifle.

I suspect that we can agree to disagree on our preferences in rifles and cartridges.

 

[300WSM]

No, I don't think a Mark V is any "larger" piece of equipment than a Win Model 70 with the same barrel, for example.
Note that I shoot my Banish 30 in 9" length on my 26" barrels on my Mark V. In open country it's not a big deal. Is it the "best" configuration? No, but I've used it many times with success.

A good rifle and a good suppressor cost about the same. However, a suppressor is usable on more than 1 rifle.

I suspect that we can agree to disagree on our preferences in rifles and cartridges.

I think it's larger. They don't share the same bbl nor the same action.
I've never seen a Model 70 in 300WSM that was over 24". All are short actions as well. (I think the Browning's are 23".?. but don't hold me to that)
I can't remember the last time, if ever, that I've seen a Mark V in a 300 WBY without a 26" bbl. I seen one that was shortened with a magnaport break added but unmolested and or not customized WBY Mark V's... I've never seen stock Mark V 300 WBY less than 26".
Add in the long action versus the short action and 24" bbl... to me one is simply bigger. Hand both off to any blindfolded shooter ( that's scary ) and ask which one just has a smaller feel to it. I think you know what that answer would be.

To me, the Weatherby Mark V, and I love their rifles especially now made in USA, are not in the realm...my realm anyways, of something that isn't large. Hence the OP stated a want to "size down" I wouldn't add an item on to something that is large IMO to begin with. That's just me though.

We can certainly agree to disagree and the only one who is right is what the OP ultimately likes.
Doesn't matter what I like or you like it's the OP that needs to like whatever they're trying to accomplish.

 

[FOTIS]

What is wrong with the 300 Bee you have? Just download it. From 300 savage to max and everything in between

 

[CT.HNTR]

What is wrong with the 300 Bee you have? Just download it. From 300 savage to max and everything in between

I should have clarified what I meant by sizing down. I was focused more on weight and not caliber or recoil. I love my 300 BEE, it shoots great but is an Accumark so it's a bit on the heavy side. 10 pounds fully scoped. I will be doing a mountain hunt so was looking to shave some weight. I was looking at the Tikka T3 in 300 WSM or 300 Win Mag to save roughly 24 ounces. The Tikkas do not break the bank and they shoot well. I think I have landed on the 300 Win Mag in case I wish to load some heavier 190 or 200 grain bullets.

I am looking for a lighter weight rifle capable of shooting elk and mule deer out to a max of 400 yards. I would love to have a 300 Win Mag that weighs 8.5 pounds or less fully scoped that is capable of 1/2 MOA accuracy. Any thoughts or suggestions are appreciated. I would consider carbon fiber stocks and barrels. My budget is pretty flexible. My goal is to get a high-quality accurate set-up.

 

[PJGunner]

"I am looking for a lighter weight rifle capable of shooting elk and mule deer out to a max of 400 yards. I would love to have a 300 Win Mag that weighs 8.5 pounds or less fully scoped that is capable of 1/2 MOA accuracy. Any thoughts or suggestions are appreciated. I would consider carbon fiber stocks and barrels. My budget is pretty flexible. My goal is to get a high-quality accurate set-up."

I'm not sure just what model it is, but I have a Winchester M70 push feeder in .300 Win. mag. that came with a McMillan stock and a cheap Simmons scope which I replaced with a Leupold 3x9. It has what looks like a Decelerator pad and 26" barrel. I just weighed it and it looks like about 8.4 pounds. I can't be sure but I think it was one of the Winlite series. I'm not selling it but offer it as a suggestion if you can find one. I've only run one bullet weight through mine but it shoots MOA or better with the 200 gr. Speer Hot Core or 200 gr. Nosler Partition. The load is snapping at the heels of 2900 FPS and I've gotten groups as small as .375" to .80" from the bench. It does a nice job taking down elk. Unless you have a supply of WMR powder there's no use giving the load. I just happen to have a decent supply although it's now close to 15 or so years old.
FWIW, I have done absolutely nothing to accurize that rifle. It's exactly the same as when it left the factpry.
Paul B.

 

[preacher]

My SIL has a Tikka T3 Lite in synthetic and in 7mm RM he bought for those kinds of hunts. I have had three Kimber Mod 8400s in 300WSM that were great rifles, light to carry, heavy enough to shoot well. I put Tikkas in the same ballpark. Have a ball Sir!