338-06 QL request

[truck driver]

I would appreciate it if some one would run a few loads for me.
I'm looking for loads with 2000MR and CFE 223 for these bullets, 225gr PT, 210gr PT and a 180gr TSX.
338-06 24" barrel 73.8 H2O cap OAL 3.335" PT/OAL 3.240" AB/OAL 3.335" TSX 63K PSI MAX
Thanks for the help in advance.

 

[SJB358]

I don’t have a computer up right now, but PP2000 isn’t in QL.

 

[truck driver]

Thanks Scotty. When you get a chance if you could run the loads for CFE 223 I would appreciate it.

 

[Blkram]

Sorry, I do not have QL.

The pet load for my 338-06 is for the 215gr SGK over 62.0gr of H414 in Wby brass with a WLR primer. It produces 2751 fps out of a 22" barrel and shoots 1/2" groups at 100 yards.
The load I had selected to try for the 210gr NP is 56.5gr of BL-C2. Never got around to it as the above load for the SGK worked so well.

 

[DrMike]

Cartridge          : .338-06 A-Square
Bullet             : .338, 225, Nosler PART SP 16336
Useable Case Capaci: 63.371 grain H2O = 4.115 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.335 inch = 84.71 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder             : Hodgdon CFE223

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   88    56.07   2485    3084   44464   8141     97.8    1.335
-09.0   89    56.69   2511    3150   45961   8219     98.1    1.315
-08.0   90    57.32   2538    3217   47510   8294     98.4    1.296
-07.0   91    57.94   2564    3285   49116   8365     98.6    1.277
-06.0   92    58.56   2591    3353   50779   8433     98.9    1.258
-05.0   93    59.19   2617    3421   52503   8498     99.1    1.240
-04.0   94    59.81   2643    3490   54288   8559     99.3    1.222  ! Near Maximum !
-03.0   95    60.43   2669    3560   56142   8616     99.5    1.204  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0   96    61.05   2696    3630   58062   8670     99.6    1.187  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0   97    61.68   2722    3701   60056   8720     99.7    1.170  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0   98    62.30   2748    3772   62123   8766     99.8    1.153  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0   99    62.92   2773    3843   64270   8808     99.9    1.136  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0  100    63.55   2799    3915   66496   8846    100.0    1.120  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0  101    64.17   2825    3987   68800   8880    100.0    1.104  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  102    64.79   2851    4060   71183   8910    100.0    1.089  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  103    65.42   2876    4133   73651   8939    100.0    1.073  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba     98    62.30   2852    4063   74820   8394    100.0    1.074  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba     98    62.30   2594    3362   50285   8800     96.1    1.257

 

[DrMike]

Cartridge          : .338-06 A-Square
Bullet             : .338, 210, Nosler PART SP 16337
Useable Case Capaci: 65.643 grain H2O = 4.262 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.335 inch = 84.71 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder             : Hodgdon CFE223

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   88    58.32   2574    3089   44069   8409     97.1    1.297
-09.0   89    58.97   2602    3156   45562   8494     97.5    1.277
-08.0   90    59.62   2630    3224   47108   8575     97.8    1.258
-07.0   91    60.26   2657    3293   48707   8653     98.1    1.239
-06.0   92    60.91   2685    3362   50365   8728     98.4    1.221
-05.0   93    61.56   2713    3432   52087   8799     98.7    1.203
-04.0   94    62.21   2741    3503   53869   8866     98.9    1.185  ! Near Maximum !
-03.0   95    62.86   2768    3574   55719   8930     99.1    1.168  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0   96    63.50   2796    3645   57637   8990     99.3    1.151  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0   97    64.15   2824    3718   59628   9046     99.5    1.134  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0   98    64.80   2851    3790   61694   9098     99.6    1.118  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0   99    65.45   2878    3863   63841   9146     99.8    1.101  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0  100    66.10   2906    3937   66070   9190     99.9    1.086  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0  101    66.74   2933    4011   68388   9230     99.9    1.070  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  102    67.39   2960    4086   70789   9265    100.0    1.055  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  103    68.04   2987    4161   73276   9296    100.0    1.039  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba     98    64.80   2965    4099   74414   8730    100.0    1.040  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba     98    64.80   2686    3365   49965   9062     95.4    1.220

 

[Bonz]

Hi DrMike, I enjoy seeing the over 30 caliber cartridges in use. Thanks for providing that data to truck driver.

I am still working with the Whelen AI, 200 TTSX has been my bullet of choice for quite a while now. Wondering if you're able to run a QL using Power Pro varmint? Speer has some impressive data with their 180 and 220 grain bullets in the standard Whelan. And wondering what the potential might look like with the 200 TTSX in the AI.

25" bbl
77.2 gr case capacity
200 TTSX
3.385" OAL
Power Pro Varmint

It's been awhile since I've been here, did some shooting with the data you so graciously supplied a few years ago, however just wasn't happy with my chronograph readings ( potential malfunction) and I haven't had the opportunity with new jobs and life changes to get back out and do much load development beyond my old standby of IMR 4064 and the 200 TTSX.

Thank you in advance, have a great evening.

 

[truck driver]

DrMike Thanks for the QL predictions.

 

[DrMike]

Bonz,

QL has none of the PP powders in the data base.

 

[Bonz]

I appreciate you letting me know, the Speer data will be a good place to work up from then.

For what it's worth, my youngest son, 23 years old, took his first elk with a 270 Winchester and the 110 TTSX. 35 yards almost point-blank angled it on the sternum and went out halfway back at the top of the ribs on the off-side based on the uphill angle.

Take care, promise I will post up in the spring when I get out to chronograph some loads.

 

[SJB358]

Congrats to your boy with his first elk.

Good luck with the work and such.

 

[Bonz]

Thank you. Hope you guys have had or will have successful hunts this year.

 

[SJB358]

Thank you. Hope you guys have had or will have successful hunts this year.

Thank you buddy. Same to you and your family as well. I’m in the middle of rebuilding my Whelen bolt gun. Looking forward to airing it out some this coming year.

 

[TXbaldhunter]

I would not trust that QL data listed above.The highest charge of CFE-223 I used in my 338-06 was 59.5grs with a 200gr AccuBond for 2849fps.QL data is showing 62.3 for max with the 225gr and 64.8grs with the 210gr.I tried 59.0grs of CFE-223 with the 210gr Partition and was getting 2749fps.QL is showing 58.97grs at 2602fps.My 338-06 does have a 26" barrel,but those loads look way to hot to me.QL is usually fairly close on most examples I've seen,but this data looks way off to me.I'd start with the starting loads listed and see what your getting before loading hotter.I think a BLC-2 and Big Game are fairly close to CFE-223,so if you need to kinda figure out where you need to be with CFE-223,use load data for those powders as a reference.
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/201 ... hart-here/
http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/rifle
https://load-data.nosler.com/load-data/338-06-a-square/

 

[DrMike]

Note that the case capacity has been adjusted to meet the OP request rather than standardized capacity. Note, also, that the OAL has been adjusted, per the OP request. These alterations make the difference. If using standardized parameters, your point would be essential. However, with the adjustments to meet the new criteria, things are changed. As with any data, it is necessary to review the parameters to ensure that they are consistent with your own data.

 

[truck driver]

Note that the case capacity has been adjusted to meet the OP request rather than standardized capacity. Note, also, that the OAL has been adjusted, per the OP request. These alterations make the difference. If using standardized parameters, your point would be essential. However, with the adjustments to meet the new criteria, things are changed. As with any data, it is necessary to review the parameters to ensure that they are consistent with your own data.

Thanks DrMike.
Txbaldhunter's remarks are one of the main reasons I usually request QL predictions threw emails since I caught grief when I was working with the 35AI.
This request was for a friend so I made it public so he could read the responses.
Thanks again for your help.

 

[TXbaldhunter]

QL Data looks more like 338 Win Mag loads than 338-06.

 

[TXbaldhunter]

My best loads for my 338-06:
200gr AccuBond or Ballistic Silvertip
Win Case,WLRM Primer
59.0grs of Big Game or 59.0grs of CFE223
These run a tad over 2800fps out of my rifle

210 Partition
Win Case,WLRM Primer
54.0grs Varget
This load runs a little over 2700fps out of my rifle
Really,I found the 338-06 to be easy to load for.With the 200gr bullets,I think any powder between say Varget to 4350 will give you an acceptable load.
59.0grs Big Game 2812fps
My load test for 200gr Accubonds.Here is my results
61.5grs Reloader-17 2830fps (poor groups)
63.0grs of Hunter 2730fps (excellent groups)
62.0grs H4350 2740fps (excellent groups)
59.5grs BLC-2 2830fps (excellent groups)
56.0grs Varget 2849fps (excellent groups)

 

[Alaska]

Used the 338-06 for years with IMR 4320 then later with Reloader 17 using 210 Nosler Part and 225gr Nosler Part