338Fed powders

[Gunner46]

I'm getting a 308Win rebored to a 338Fed, 22 in tube. I have just about everything assembled to start reloading while it's in the shop. My goal is to get a healthy, accurate 200gr AB, or 210gr PT load for black bear, pigs, and elk, almost guaranteed to be under 200yds.

The powders I have on hand are Varget, 4064, RL15, 17, & 19. (stuff I've used for my 7mm/08 and 308). On-line data shows BL-C2 and LVR as giving better velocities, up to 2600+ fps.

Is it worth going out and trying to find a different powder, or is what I have going to get me past the 2500fps mark ? What's worked for y'all?

 

[DrMike]

Fine cartridge that will git 'er done. I've had good success in the field with 200 grain E-Tips. A 210 grain Partition would deliver a great load. I've used IMR 4064 in my Winchester 338 Federal with good success.

Cartridge : .338 Federal
Bullet : .338, 210, Nosler PART SP 16337
Useable Case Capaci: 48.541 grain H2O = 3.152 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.820 inch = 71.63 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : IMR 4064

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 88 37.28 2029 1920 30939 5598 88.8 1.480
-18.0 90 38.21 2078 2014 33022 5771 90.0 1.439
-16.0 93 39.14 2127 2110 35250 5940 91.1 1.399
-14.0 95 40.08 2176 2209 37633 6103 92.1 1.360
-12.0 97 41.01 2225 2309 40166 6262 93.1 1.321
-10.0 99 41.94 2275 2412 42854 6414 94.0 1.282
-08.0 101 42.87 2324 2518 45726 6560 94.9 1.245
-06.0 104 43.80 2373 2625 48801 6698 95.7 1.210
-04.0 106 44.74 2422 2735 52097 6828 96.4 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 108 45.67 2471 2847 55634 6951 97.1 1.143 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 110 46.60 2520 2961 59432 7064 97.7 1.111 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 112 47.53 2569 3077 63518 7169 98.2 1.080 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 115 48.46 2618 3196 67918 7263 98.7 1.050 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 117 49.40 2667 3316 72664 7347 99.1 1.022 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 119 50.33 2715 3438 77792 7420 99.4 0.994 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 121 51.26 2764 3563 83344 7482 99.7 0.967 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 110 46.60 2629 3223 70564 6935 100.0 1.038 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 110 46.60 2374 2628 48667 6869 91.7 1.207

There is no reason RL15 wouldn't work very well.

Cartridge : .338 Federal
Bullet : .338, 210, Nosler PART SP 16337
Useable Case Capaci: 48.541 grain H2O = 3.152 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.820 inch = 71.63 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-15

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 86 38.32 2053 1965 30162 5939 88.3 1.488
-18.0 88 39.28 2104 2064 32237 6128 89.5 1.447
-16.0 90 40.24 2155 2165 34461 6311 90.7 1.408
-14.0 92 41.19 2206 2269 36842 6489 91.8 1.369
-12.0 94 42.15 2257 2375 39371 6661 92.8 1.328
-10.0 96 43.11 2308 2484 42061 6826 93.8 1.289
-08.0 98 44.07 2359 2596 44941 6984 94.7 1.250
-06.0 101 45.03 2410 2709 48030 7134 95.5 1.214
-04.0 103 45.98 2462 2825 51345 7275 96.3 1.179 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 105 46.94 2513 2944 54906 7406 97.0 1.145 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 107 47.90 2564 3065 58736 7528 97.6 1.112 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 109 48.86 2615 3188 62860 7639 98.2 1.080 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 111 49.82 2666 3313 67307 7740 98.7 1.050 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 113 50.77 2717 3441 72108 7828 99.1 1.020 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 116 51.73 2767 3571 77302 7905 99.4 0.991 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 118 52.69 2818 3703 82931 7968 99.7 0.964 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 107 47.90 2682 3355 70689 7378 100.0 1.033 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 107 47.90 2404 2696 47278 7306 91.4 1.216

I haven't used RL17; but it is on my list of powders to try.

Cartridge : .338 Federal
Bullet : .338, 210, Nosler PART SP 16337
Useable Case Capaci: 48.541 grain H2O = 3.152 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.820 inch = 71.63 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-15

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 86 38.32 2053 1965 30162 5939 88.3 1.488
-18.0 88 39.28 2104 2064 32237 6128 89.5 1.447
-16.0 90 40.24 2155 2165 34461 6311 90.7 1.408
-14.0 92 41.19 2206 2269 36842 6489 91.8 1.369
-12.0 94 42.15 2257 2375 39371 6661 92.8 1.328
-10.0 96 43.11 2308 2484 42061 6826 93.8 1.289
-08.0 98 44.07 2359 2596 44941 6984 94.7 1.250
-06.0 101 45.03 2410 2709 48030 7134 95.5 1.214
-04.0 103 45.98 2462 2825 51345 7275 96.3 1.179 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 105 46.94 2513 2944 54906 7406 97.0 1.145 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 107 47.90 2564 3065 58736 7528 97.6 1.112 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 109 48.86 2615 3188 62860 7639 98.2 1.080 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 111 49.82 2666 3313 67307 7740 98.7 1.050 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 113 50.77 2717 3441 72108 7828 99.1 1.020 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 116 51.73 2767 3571 77302 7905 99.4 0.991 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 118 52.69 2818 3703 82931 7968 99.7 0.964 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 107 47.90 2682 3355 70689 7378 100.0 1.033 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 107 47.90 2404 2696 47278 7306 91.4 1.216

As you can see, 2500 fps with the 210 grain Partition is eminently doable. With the 200 grain AccuBond, you should easily reach good velocities allowing you to drop game cleanly at 200 plus yards.

Cartridge : .338 Federal
Bullet : .338, 200, Nosler AccuBond 56382
Useable Case Capaci: 45.715 grain H2O = 2.968 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.820 inch = 71.63 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-15

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 89 37.36 2064 1892 29700 5592 86.2 1.468
-18.0 91 38.29 2116 1989 31778 5776 87.5 1.426
-16.0 93 39.23 2169 2089 34010 5956 88.7 1.387
-14.0 95 40.16 2221 2192 36410 6131 89.9 1.348
-12.0 98 41.10 2274 2297 38997 6301 91.1 1.307
-10.0 100 42.03 2327 2405 41774 6464 92.1 1.267
-08.0 102 42.96 2380 2516 44789 6621 93.2 1.229
-06.0 104 43.90 2434 2630 48014 6770 94.1 1.192
-04.0 106 44.83 2487 2747 51471 6911 95.0 1.157 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 109 45.77 2540 2866 55202 7043 95.8 1.122 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 111 46.70 2594 2988 59238 7166 96.6 1.089 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 113 47.63 2647 3112 63610 7278 97.2 1.057 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 115 48.57 2701 3240 68353 7380 97.9 1.026 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 117 49.50 2754 3369 73509 7471 98.4 0.996 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 120 50.44 2808 3502 79128 7549 98.9 0.967 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 122 51.37 2862 3637 85264 7615 99.2 0.939 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 111 46.70 2722 3290 71695 7091 99.7 1.010 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 111 46.70 2425 2612 47461 6888 89.6 1.193

I've found myself gravitating toward A 2520 and 2495 in recent days.

Cartridge : .338 Federal
Bullet : .338, 200, Nosler AccuBond 56382
Useable Case Capaci: 45.715 grain H2O = 2.968 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.820 inch = 71.63 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 59400 psi, or 409 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Accurate 2495 108.2 44.6 2.89 2602 100.0 59400 6584 1.111 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520 105.7 47.0 3.04 2595 99.5 59400 6823 1.093 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460 100.4 45.5 2.95 2548 99.0 59400 6579 1.108 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 110.0 47.4 3.07 2523 94.0 55665 6982 1.123 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 110.0 46.9 3.04 2514 96.9 52111 6999 1.150 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 110.0 47.0 3.05 2447 89.4 54744 6587 1.144 ! Near Maximum !

Cartridge : .338 Federal
Bullet : .338, 210, Nosler PART SP 16337
Useable Case Capaci: 48.541 grain H2O = 3.152 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.820 inch = 71.63 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 59400 psi, or 409 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Norma 203 old 110.0 49.8 3.22 2579 98.9 59225 7515 1.111 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 110.0 51.6 3.35 2565 97.5 53816 8077 1.127 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520 102.2 48.2 3.13 2564 99.9 59400 7103 1.114 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495 104.4 45.7 2.96 2561 100.0 59400 6814 1.135 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 110.0 48.2 3.12 2559 100.0 58052 7118 1.140 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 108.5 49.6 3.21 2552 96.2 59400 7506 1.111 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 110.0 52.1 3.37 2537 92.4 55570 7777 1.123 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 110.0 52.1 3.37 2537 92.4 55570 7777 1.123 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460 97.2 46.8 3.03 2521 99.6 59400 6873 1.128 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 109.3 49.6 3.21 2496 92.4 59400 7201 1.121 ! Near Maximum !

 

[preacher]

I have some trial loads ready with the Barnes 160 TTSX and Power Pro 2000MR. Their data shows 52 gr as max for a 200 Speer. I am working up from there for the 160. I got 2750 with this powder and the 165 Aframe in a .308. Worth a try, if I "ever" get a chance to fire them at the range I'll report back, ha.

 

[Oldtrader3]

I also use IMR 3031 with 210 Partitions. You can't always get 47 grains of 4064 into a .338 Fed case without bulging it?

 

[preacher]

My best speeds with a 200gr in a .358 Win was also with 3031. I don't have my notes but it was somewhere between 47 and 49gr. A tad over 2600! There just can't be that much difference between it and the 338 Fed!

 

[otter25]

TAC

 

[Oldtrader3]

My hunting load with a 210 Partition is 46 grains of IMR4064. It chronos at 2575 in my 22 inch Sako.

 

[SJB358]

Man, that little 338 with 200 AB's at 2600 would sure be a sweet carrying rifle with alot of thump. I've got a 358 and love it alot, but a little 338 Federal like Mikes Featherweight would be some sorta handy in the hands.

That sounds like an excellent load Charlie. I really like the 210 PT's. I know some may fight me, but the 210 out of 338 Fed or a 338 Win Mag is BAD medicine. After seeing how well it worked on elk, you'd have a hard time doing much better and then the margin of difference would be hard to judge...

 

[Oldtrader3]

My thoughts ed-xactley! I have killed a couple of elk with the .338 WM and 210 PTs with no drama? That velocity (2575 fps) is not a .338 WM but the Sako is a 6.75 lb rifle with a 22 inch barrel and a 3-9x42 Kahles scope. It is a handy package for an old man like me?

 

[Gunner46]

It may not be the flashiest, nor the most prestigious rifle to hunt the wild, but it isn't intended to be. I'm reboring a Ruger American Wolf and planning on topping it with a 2x7 Leupold. Should be light enough to carry all day if need be, shoot straight enough to make finding excuses for a miss rather hard, and provide mucho Thump-Um when I don't.

For the life of me, I can't understand why the cartridge isn't more popular than it is.

 

[Oldtrader3]

Federal and Sako dropped the ball on the .338 Federal. Slow sales and little promotion. Sako heavily discounted their rifles and federal stopped making the ammo. The rest is history?

 

[Gunner46]

DrMike, you mentioned RL-17 in your reply as a hopeful (thanks for the info by the way). Did you run the QL numbers on it? RL-15 was listed twice. I didn't have much luck with it in my 7mm/08 w/ 140's. Hoping it may serve better in the 338Fed.

 

[DrMike]

I did say that RL17 was on my list of powders to try. However, charge volumes max out before the powder does whenever I run QL. It would definitely be a compressed load. Reflecting on the data, other powders would serve me better. Here is the data with a 210 grain PT.

Cartridge : .338 Federal
Bullet : .338, 210, Nosler PART SP 16337
Useable Case Capaci: 48.541 grain H2O = 3.152 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.820 inch = 71.63 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 90 42.40 2053 1966 28692 6369 86.3 1.486
-18.0 93 43.46 2110 2077 30756 6607 87.9 1.443
-16.0 95 44.52 2168 2191 32992 6837 89.5 1.402
-14.0 97 45.58 2226 2310 35409 7058 91.0 1.361
-12.0 99 46.64 2284 2434 38029 7268 92.4 1.320
-10.0 102 47.70 2344 2561 40872 7467 93.7 1.276
-08.0 104 48.76 2403 2692 43964 7652 94.8 1.234
-06.0 106 49.82 2463 2828 47332 7823 95.9 1.193
-04.0 108 50.88 2523 2967 51004 7978 96.9 1.154
-02.0 111 51.94 2583 3111 55034 8115 97.7 1.116 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 113 53.00 2643 3258 59449 8234 98.4 1.079 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 115 54.06 2704 3409 64308 8332 99.0 1.043 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 117 55.12 2764 3564 69672 8409 99.4 1.008 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 120 56.18 2825 3722 75614 8464 99.8 0.975 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 122 57.24 2886 3884 82221 8495 99.9 0.942 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 124 58.30 2947 4049 89602 8500 100.0 0.910 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 113 53.00 2786 3619 72126 7912 100.0 0.995 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 113 53.00 2444 2785 48371 7944 91.0 1.189

This is the data generated with the 225 grain PT & RL17.

Cartridge : .338 Federal
Bullet : .338, 225, Nosler PART SP 16336
Useable Case Capaci: 46.269 grain H2O = 3.004 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.820 inch = 71.63 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 90 40.32 1975 1949 28785 6134 87.4 1.537
-18.0 92 41.33 2029 2057 30849 6356 89.0 1.493
-16.0 95 42.34 2084 2170 33080 6570 90.5 1.450
-14.0 97 43.34 2139 2286 35491 6775 91.9 1.408
-12.0 99 44.35 2195 2406 38103 6969 93.2 1.366
-10.0 101 45.36 2251 2531 40937 7152 94.4 1.321
-08.0 104 46.37 2307 2659 44016 7321 95.5 1.277
-06.0 106 47.38 2363 2790 47368 7477 96.5 1.236
-04.0 108 48.38 2420 2926 51027 7617 97.4 1.195
-02.0 110 49.39 2477 3065 55028 7740 98.1 1.156 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 113 50.40 2534 3207 59414 7845 98.8 1.118 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 115 51.41 2591 3353 64237 7932 99.3 1.082 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 117 52.42 2648 3503 69557 7998 99.6 1.046 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 119 53.42 2705 3655 75444 8042 99.9 1.012 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 122 54.43 2762 3811 81989 8065 100.0 0.979 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 124 55.44 2819 3970 89288 8067 100.0 0.946 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 113 50.40 2665 3549 72091 7500 100.0 1.033 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 113 50.40 2347 2751 48337 7626 91.8 1.231

Cartridge : .338 Federal
Bullet : .338, 225, Nosler PART SP 16336
Useable Case Capaci: 46.269 grain H2O = 3.004 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.820 inch = 71.63 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 59000 psi, or 406 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Norma 203 old 109.6 47.2 3.06 2467 99.2 59000 7141 1.154 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 110.0 49.2 3.19 2467 98.0 54292 7719 1.163 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 110.0 45.9 2.97 2455 100.0 58712 6738 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520 101.7 45.7 2.96 2448 99.9 59000 6723 1.159 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495 103.8 43.3 2.81 2443 100.0 59000 6437 1.181 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 108.0 47.1 3.05 2440 96.6 59000 7149 1.156 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 110.0 49.6 3.22 2439 93.1 56066 7460 1.160 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 110.0 49.6 3.22 2439 93.1 56066 7460 1.160 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460 96.7 44.4 2.88 2407 99.7 59000 6510 1.174 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 108.8 47.1 3.05 2386 92.9 59000 6873 1.166 ! Near Maximum !


Accurate 2520, Accurate 2495 and Hodgdon H380 all give comparable velocities without the crush. I'll likely pass on this after all, focusing on these alternative powders.

 

[Gunner46]

Granted, that is stuffing the case pretty tight and would require a knowing feel on the bench, but a 200 AB @ 2600fps, if accurate enough, would be a fearsome beast !

It's a consideration and may be worth a try. 2500fps, safe & accurate, is still the primary goal though. I'm not looking at going above a 210gr anyway.

 

[tjen]

LVR is the powder I hope you try, its velocity with the 200/210gr bullets is very high. I also think LVR should do the same in the 358win with 225gr bullets. Yes it is not listed but if it works in the higher pressure 338Fed it should also work in the 358win. I love to have a 2550 fps (or more) 225gr load. A +100fps load at current 358win pressure levels and if you have a bolt action maybe a tested +P load as well?

I keep tring to get some one interested it this for my benifite, yesery.

 

[Gunner46]

Gotta find some LVR first. If I do, it's on the short list of must tries. From what I've heard, it's got a narrow window of utility, but excels where it fits.

 

[tjen]

My train of thought is it excels in the 338fed with the 200 gr bullets, 358win same case/volume but it has a slightly larger bore. Use a bullet of simular weight to bore size (sectional density) and it should work too. The 225 gr PT should be a winner with weight and its long bering surface. I would think the 200 grainers would not work but if they did 2600fps would make the pointy 200's work better too.


I get 2430 fps in a 20.5" barreled Rem 700 with the 225gr PT and H4895 at current listed pressure levels. Even if LVR needed slighty higher pressures I would love to see Nosler test it and list it as +P. A MV of 2500 to 2600 fps with a 225 gr PT would bring new life to the 358 win in Nosler ammo and hand loads.

 

[Greg Nolan]

The powder I settled on was Ramshot TAC. I have a Kimber Montana with a short magazine and long free bore. I'm stuck with 200 gr. Speer Hot core or 185 gr Barnes TSX. because of the long jump to the lands.
I believe you will be able to use the Partition or AccuBond to better advantage. Here are my loads for the 22" barrel.
Speer 200 gr. Hotcore: 46 gr. Tac CCI 200 Primers. 2.82 OAL. 2600 fps.

Barnes 185 gr. TSX: 48 gr. Tac CCI 200 primers. 2.82 OAL 2800 fps.
These are max loads in my rifle.
Good Luck.

 

[Gunner46]

RL-17, or LVR, with a 225gr has now caught my attention. Yeah, it's packing the case, but nothing I haven't figured out how to do with my 7mm/08. It's showing a lot of promise with a boat load of RL-19 and 140's (skirting 2900 and no pressure signs).

If the calculations hold true, a 225 AB at around 2450fps is simply bad medicine! A full ton of Take-That out to 300yds and still clocking along at over 2000fps.

Progress on the build has taken a back seat for the past couple of weeks, (and the next) due to my son's inconsiderate timing of graduating from DePaul right in the middle of this project.

Still, though slowed a bit, progress shall not be long deterred.

 

[Oldtrader3]

I can only get 47.0 grains of IMR 4064 into the .338 Federal case. That load shoots the 210 Nosler PT at 2575 fps with MOA groups in my Sako Mod 85. I can not imagine any canistered powder getting 50+ grains into this case? At least not in my rifle.