35 Whelen 275 gr Woodleigh loads

[gerry]

I just ordered up some 275 gr Woodleigh Protected Points to try in my 35 Whelen, anyone have any loads to share? I always wanted to try Woodleigh bullets and since American made bullets are in short supply these days I thought it would be a good time to branch out. I have Varget, H 4895, IMR 8208 and Big Game to try, Big Game is a bit slow burning for the Whelen but might be a good choice for a heavy bullet like that especially since it has great loading density. Might be able to get around 2450-2500 fps safely with the right powder, who knows the 250 gr Speer and this slug might be my heavy bullet loads in this gun. Would still like to try the 250 gr Partition in it one day though.

 

[DrMike]

I have a couple of boxes of the Woodleigh 275 PP bullets. They are on my "to do" list, Gerry. The Woodleigh site used to have some info, but I couldn't locate it today. They did have info on "loads for heavier than standard bullets." The load data for the 35 Whelen was for the 310 grain RN. That would be a fearsome round! Here is a QL projection to give you some idea of what powders to use.

Cartridge : .35 Whelen
Bullet : .358, 275, Woodleigh PP WeldCore 53B
Useable Case Capaci: 58.602 grain H2O = 3.805 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 20.0 inch = 508.0 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 59000 psi, or 406 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Elcho 17 106.1 60.1 3.90 2450 99.7 59000 9808 1.077 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 106.1 60.1 3.90 2450 99.7 59000 9808 1.077 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511 107.6 61.9 4.01 2410 96.8 59000 9731 1.087 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 107.6 59.4 3.85 2403 98.3 59000 9579 1.098 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 105.1 60.0 3.89 2402 95.9 59000 9636 1.091 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 105.1 60.0 3.89 2402 95.9 59000 9636 1.091 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 110.0 59.4 3.85 2393 98.4 57833 9447 1.113 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 110.0 58.8 3.81 2384 98.2 57227 9412 1.106 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 110.0 58.8 3.81 2383 98.2 57170 9407 1.107 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 110.0 61.4 3.98 2381 96.3 56850 9625 1.105 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895 99.5 53.8 3.48 2376 99.4 59000 9053 1.109 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2 95.0 56.0 3.63 2370 99.9 59000 8889 1.109 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 102.7 56.1 3.63 2369 99.8 59000 8887 1.117 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3 102.7 56.1 3.63 2369 99.8 59000 8887 1.117 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B 100.8 54.5 3.53 2367 99.4 59000 8949 1.110 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA11 100.3 54.2 3.51 2365 99.1 59000 8981 1.110 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15 100.3 54.2 3.51 2365 99.1 59000 8981 1.110 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 ~approximation 100.3 54.2 3.51 2365 99.1 59000 8981 1.110 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903 105.0 56.1 3.63 2362 99.7 59000 8800 1.117 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 109.2 60.9 3.95 2362 93.1 59000 9352 1.091 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 101.6 56.1 3.63 2354 98.1 59000 9012 1.113 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355 104.7 55.3 3.58 2353 99.6 59000 8770 1.116 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 102.7 54.3 3.52 2349 100.0 59000 8318 1.139 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation 110.0 60.3 3.91 2347 95.2 57912 9174 1.108 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070 109.5 58.5 3.79 2347 96.1 59000 9095 1.114 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6 97.3 54.2 3.51 2346 100.0 59000 8313 1.122 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520 95.1 54.2 3.51 2346 100.0 59000 8313 1.122 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365 110.0 59.1 3.83 2342 99.7 50904 9263 1.154
Elcho TR140 - preliminary data 101.0 56.4 3.65 2339 98.1 59000 8771 1.110 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350 110.0 59.1 3.83 2336 95.0 58801 8935 1.101 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065 107.9 57.0 3.70 2330 97.3 59000 8826 1.117 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495 96.6 51.1 3.31 2329 100.0 59000 7949 1.147 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7 95.7 55.5 3.59 2327 97.9 59000 8661 1.118 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 201 93.8 51.8 3.35 2319 99.9 59000 8340 1.127 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907 106.2 56.3 3.65 2316 95.1 59000 8788 1.116 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7 106.2 56.3 3.65 2316 95.1 59000 8788 1.116 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 102.8 56.3 3.65 2315 95.1 59000 8781 1.116 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R902 99.8 52.0 3.37 2312 99.9 59000 8235 1.128 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460 90.7 52.7 3.42 2311 100.0 59000 8083 1.132 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.5 91.0 52.7 3.42 2311 100.0 59000 8083 1.132 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901 95.8 49.1 3.18 2298 100.0 59000 7883 1.140 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 110.0 59.4 3.85 2296 91.8 53911 9098 1.136 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4 110.0 59.4 3.85 2296 91.8 53911 9098 1.136 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 110.0 57.5 3.73 2296 98.9 52263 8643 1.150 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350 110.0 58.1 3.77 2291 94.1 55202 8776 1.132 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 110.0 59.1 3.83 2271 90.9 51698 9121 1.154 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2700 102.6 57.8 3.75 2271 94.6 59000 8233 1.123 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 110.0 59.4 3.85 2257 90.8 49706 9152 1.176
Winchester Supreme 780 110.0 62.7 4.06 2255 91.1 52732 8798 1.149 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S361 110.0 63.3 4.10 2253 89.4 55139 8567 1.141 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904 110.0 58.6 3.80 2253 90.2 53086 8687 1.151 ! Near Maximum !

 

[PJGunner]

This is from the Hornady manual #1 circa 1967.
4895, no mention if H or IMR. My guess is it's the original milsurps that showed up after the war.

Start: 43.8gr./1900 FPS Max: 52.0 gr./2300 FPS.

Dunno how that will work with today'd 4895's but that's all I have. I do have 35 of those discontinued in 1967 Hornady bullets. 8)
Paul B.

 

[SJB358]

That's pretty cool Gerry. Can't wait to see what they do. Those 275's around 2400-2500 would put your 375 Ruger outta business!

I have some 310 Woodleigh's I need to try out someday, but those 275's are very cool and they just gotta be hammers. Please run one into the jugs for us. Haven't ever seen a Woodleigh recovered from the jugs..

 

[gerry]

Thanks Mike and Paul for your help, much appreciated. Looks like RL 17 might do well if I'm not happy with the powders I have. I think I will try H 4895, Varget and Big Game first and go from there. Those big 310's are interesting but I opted for the 275 gr PP since it is rated for higher impact velocities (2200 vs 2600 fps) and it should do better at longer ranges. Woodleigh lists some data for the 310 gr SP, 57 gr of RL 15 for 2435 fps, pretty potent load. Scotty, I will definitely run some through the jugs and see what they will do, while I like the big 375 Ruger it may go down the road to fund a shotgun for this fall.

http://www.woodleighbullets.com.au/info ... tips#LOADS

Mike, it is interesting to see that Trade Ex moved recently from Montreal to Hawksbury Ontario, I wonder if it has something to do with all the nonsense the political powers in Quebec have been giving the rest of us in regards to the now defunct gun registry.

 

[DrMike]

I wasn't aware that Tradex had moved. My last purchase was just this past winter, and they were still in Quebec at that time. You may be correct in your speculation for the reason they moved. I was quite pleased with their service.

 

[gerry]

Having to deal with Quebec and whatever is going on with the gun registry there stopped me from purchasing anything from there, but now things are different that they have moved to Ontario now, they have some very interesting firearms there. I must add I feel for those honest firearms owners that live there that have to put up with that nonsense, we have several great guys from there posting here from time to time.

 

[Rem Jim]

Gerry you should get a MAGNUM for those bullets - like a 358 Shooting Times Alaska or such ! 358 STA ! LMBO ! Cheers RJ

 

[gerry]

RJ, I do like the 358 Norma but the 358 STA, too much for this guy I noticed they have some bullets designed for the 338 Federal, price isn't too bad for those either.

http://www.tradeexcanada.com/produits/88

:mrgreen:

 

[DrMike]

Having to deal with Quebec and whatever is going on with the gun registry there stopped me from purchasing anything from there, but now things are different that they have moved to Ontario now, they have some very interesting firearms there. I must add I feel for those honest firearms owners that live there that have to put up with that nonsense, we have several great guys from there posting here from time to time.

Well said, Gerry. There are some fine gentlemen from Quebec posting here.

 

[SJB358]

I am with you Gerry. I am wondering if those 275 Woodleighs will stabilize in my 1-16" twist, but I would try them for sure.

They look pretty awesome though...

2500 with that 275 would really be pretty danged close to a 375. Granted, the 375 is always going to beat it out, but nowadays with bullets like we have available and the powders, it really is a poor mans 375 H&H... I know I wouldn't care about any difference between the two of them.. Wished my 35 had a better twist for these heavier bullets. I think they would be a blast. Plus, 2500 is plenty flat shooting to 300 yards with the Whelen and I know it would still hammer just about anything and then some. Talk about big bear medicine. I am really looking forward to seeing what you end up with. Can't wait to see the bullet out of the jugs.

Cartridge : .35 Whelen
Bullet : .358, 275, Woodleigh PP WeldCore 53B
Useable Case Capaci: 58.602 grain H2O = 3.805 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Winchester 760

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 84 47.99 1980 2394 29680 6049 86.8 1.658
-18.0 86 49.19 2031 2518 31723 6251 88.1 1.611
-16.0 88 50.39 2082 2646 33923 6447 89.4 1.566
-14.0 90 51.59 2133 2778 36283 6638 90.6 1.522
-12.0 92 52.79 2184 2913 38821 6822 91.7 1.477
-10.0 94 53.99 2236 3052 41552 6998 92.8 1.431
-08.0 97 55.19 2287 3194 44493 7166 93.8 1.388
-06.0 99 56.39 2339 3340 47669 7325 94.8 1.346
-04.0 101 57.59 2391 3490 51099 7475 95.6 1.305
-02.0 103 58.79 2443 3643 54810 7614 96.4 1.266
+00.0 105 59.99 2494 3799 58830 7741 97.2 1.228 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 107 61.19 2546 3959 63196 7857 97.8 1.191 ! Near Maximum !
+04.0 109 62.39 2598 4123 67944 7960 98.4 1.156 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 111 63.59 2650 4289 73122 8049 98.8 1.122 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 113 64.79 2702 4459 78776 8124 99.2 1.088 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 115 65.99 2754 4632 84967 8184 99.6 1.056 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 105 59.99 2618 4184 71704 7600 99.9 1.138 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 105 59.99 2329 3313 47546 7466 90.2 1.345

 

[DrMike]

I noticed they have some bullets designed for the 338 Federal, price isn't too bad for those either.

I did pick up some of these last fall, though I haven't don't anything with them yet. I also grabbed some that were designated for the 325 WSM. I believe I need to get to work with all my Woodleigh stash. :shock:

 

[Rigbymauser]

I just ordered up some 275 gr Woodleigh Protected Points to try in my 35 Whelen, anyone have any loads to share? I always wanted to try Woodleigh bullets and since American made bullets are in short supply these days I thought it would be a good time to branch out. I have Varget, H 4895, IMR 8208 and Big Game to try, Big Game is a bit slow burning for the Whelen but might be a good choice for a heavy bullet like that especially since it has great loading density. Might be able to get around 2450-2500 fps safely with the right powder, who knows the 250 gr Speer and this slug might be my heavy bullet loads in this gun. Would still like to try the 250 gr Partition in it one day though.

Well Gerry...

you just go ahead with these "Woodys"..

The woodleighs are very very soft and the velocities they recommend on the homesite is velocities you would be wise to duplicate.
I would´n hesitate to use a 310Grain in your wheelchair. If you get about 2250-2290 f/sec it will pull everything down. I use a .333Jeffery shooting 300grainers woody softpoints @ 2280 ft/sec. The make a bloody kill on game. I know the .35wheelie winky will do exacty the same.

Happy huntin´.. :wink:

 

[SJB358]

I noticed they have some bullets designed for the 338 Federal, price isn't too bad for those either.

I did pick up some of these last fall, though I haven't don't anything with them yet. I also grabbed some that were designated for the 325 WSM. I believe I need to get to work with all my Woodleigh stash. :shock:

I know I would give them a try as well. They look like some great bullets from all I have seen and they certainly carry some great recommendations on alot of other places for their game taking ability.