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Helping a fellow military member in need of knowledge during the holidays.
Africa Huntress
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416 Taylor--conceived to replace the mag length of the Rigby--1970 s
416 Hoffman--A Square attempt to replace the mag length of the Rigby--1970 s
416 Howell--winchesters attempt to replace the mag length of the Rigby--1970 s
416 Rem--conceived to be less costly than a Rigby--1980 s
416 Weatherby--case design inspired by the Rigby--1980 s
416 Ruger --to duplicate the Rigby in a standard length action--2000 s
Rigby--1911
Sean, do you notice the word RIGBY is every scenario LOL
Sean. Everyone in the world knows I prefer the Rigby, with the possible exception of a few farmers in China,. It is like the Energizer bunny or "you tried the rest now use the best"---or something like that
Also. I agree with Cheyenne if your buying new, or used. Both CZ and Dakota makes fine rifles and they both make the Remington, Rigby, and Taylor, rifles, without ordering anything custom. And they are both controlled round fed made rifles. Best of luck to you young man
to the gentleman that mentioned Hoffman. If you get the opportunity read Hoffmans book " A Country Boy in Africa"--it is a good read
416 Hoffman--A Square attempt to replace the mag length of the Rigby--1970 s
416 Howell--winchesters attempt to replace the mag length of the Rigby--1970 s
416 Rem--conceived to be less costly than a Rigby--1980 s
416 Weatherby--case design inspired by the Rigby--1980 s
416 Ruger --to duplicate the Rigby in a standard length action--2000 s
Rigby--1911
Sean, do you notice the word RIGBY is every scenario LOL
Sean. Everyone in the world knows I prefer the Rigby, with the possible exception of a few farmers in China,. It is like the Energizer bunny or "you tried the rest now use the best"---or something like that
Also. I agree with Cheyenne if your buying new, or used. Both CZ and Dakota makes fine rifles and they both make the Remington, Rigby, and Taylor, rifles, without ordering anything custom. And they are both controlled round fed made rifles. Best of luck to you young man
to the gentleman that mentioned Hoffman. If you get the opportunity read Hoffmans book " A Country Boy in Africa"--it is a good read
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Aleena,
Something tells me you are a Rigby girl.
I sense a young Marine Gunny Sgt is thinking real hard tonight on a 416 Taylor.
Fotis,
Great intel buddy.
JD338
Something tells me you are a Rigby girl.
I sense a young Marine Gunny Sgt is thinking real hard tonight on a 416 Taylor.
Fotis,
Great intel buddy.
JD338
Oldtrader3
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I think that the Rigby is the sentimental choice certainly and the one that I would go with if I went to Africa for DG hunting
SJB358":1ygr1nk1 said:
Heck at factory pressure's even The TC Encore is chambered in the Rigby,,,and darn near bought one several times,,,,,just cuz.
Would be fun to have and shoot, even if I never had the chance to use it on DG in Africa. Priorities have made it otherwise, but I am missing something of that caliber.
Yeah, the Hoffman is cool, but Remington made it essentially obsolete. Same basic case (FL H&H) just slightly different shoulder angles/locations. Remington's case is obviously just an 8mm Rem Mag necked up. I think a Hoffman will chamber in a Remington, but not vice-versa (I may have that backwards). I wanted a Hoffman for a while before the Remington came out (damn you Ross Seyfried!) but I don't think I'd bother now.
Strangely, I am pretty indifferent towards the .416 Ruger. I do kinda dig the .375 Ruger, though.
Strangely, I am pretty indifferent towards the .416 Ruger. I do kinda dig the .375 Ruger, though.
257 Ackley
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BK":2v89v3td said:
Kurt -
The Remmy will chamber in the Hoffman, but not the other way. I know very little about the caliber since there was never a desire to have one.
Aleena -
Thanks for the heads-up on the book. I am always looking for books to read while on plane flights or when I'm bored out of my skull in a hotel room. You would have really enjoyed the "rifle room" of the guy mentioned that had the Hoffman. The room was 25' X 30' with gun racks like you would see at a rifle range (only with really nice velvet inserts) filled with every kind of high end DG caliber you can imagine. The room was wired to the local police department, but you still had to open a bank vault door to get into the room :shock: . He had some of the most awesome African and Asian mounts I have ever seen. He had a shoulder mount of an Asian Gaur that was over 4000 lbs on the hoof. I had never even heard of them until he showed me his collection. Don't know what you can always believe, but he said during the culling he shot over 300 elephants. This guy didn't have a reason to BS me and he a lot pf pictures taken over the course of a couple years.
Rigbymauser
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I too favor the .416Rigby. My rifle is made on a magnumMauser action from Prechtl. The .416Rigby can duplicate the Weatherby if one wants to. I used the last 400grain bullets and will go to 450grain Woodleighs next time getting bullets. The bulletsspan in the .416cal goes 240grain Impala bullets to 500grain Hawks. In the big Rigbycase the 240grainers will do +3240 Ft/sec and the 500grainers @ 2330 fT/sec. And ofcouse a lead gaschecked bullets by RCBS of 360grain loaded with either 62grain of IMR3031 or Norma 201 will still do 1980 Ft/sec.
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Everybody who responded, thank you. We like the Rigby, but wanted to see if someone could give me any reason to go in a different direction. Like Scotty said, they will all do the job. I do like the Weatherby gun and have grown fond of the 340 for sure, but for the 416 we will probably get a second Rigby.
We are looking at the European style CZ, as a local fellow has one for sale that he bought and decided he didnt like the looks of the Stock. since we do and it has never been fired and at a discount, that is the way we are leaning. I would love to have a Dakota but can not afford one.
This new gun will be for my son, who thanks to his grandmother, will be traveling with me when we go to Africa. Another selling point is we can both use the same ammo.
Scotty, an aside for you. Nobody today would probably do this or even agree with this, but my second rifle will be a 30-06. I gave it a lot of thought and just could not leave it behind I know what you are thinking. A 30-06 and 416 Rigby--there are newer calibers on todays market LOL
We are looking at the European style CZ, as a local fellow has one for sale that he bought and decided he didnt like the looks of the Stock. since we do and it has never been fired and at a discount, that is the way we are leaning. I would love to have a Dakota but can not afford one.
This new gun will be for my son, who thanks to his grandmother, will be traveling with me when we go to Africa. Another selling point is we can both use the same ammo.
Scotty, an aside for you. Nobody today would probably do this or even agree with this, but my second rifle will be a 30-06. I gave it a lot of thought and just could not leave it behind I know what you are thinking. A 30-06 and 416 Rigby--there are newer calibers on todays market LOL
alaska100":3brr63xq said:
Not me Sean. Pretty cool pair for Africa really. Someday I will own a 30-06. Just haven't found the one I want yet! Same for the 416's, there are a couple of very cool options out there. I can't see a guy ever going wrong with the pair you have, loaded correctly, but I know your Uncle will make sure you are properly heeled!
DrMike
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alaska100":10b0919o said:
That sounds like a classic pairing; and there is a reason why classics are classic.
Oldtrader3
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I my generation, you were considered undressed if you did not own a .30-06. I guess that is why I have owned a .30-06 for 50 years despite not using it as often as my .270 Win or 7mm Rem Mag, over the years. I really don't have a grip on why I do not use the .30-06 more? It is very accurate and the 165 Partition loads would take care of most of my hunting. Odd, I wonder why?
Of course now, I have the .338 Federal which will do everything that a .30-06 will do, only better. Plus, for western Washington blacktail deer, my .257 Roberts will do the job just fine and so on.
Of course now, I have the .338 Federal which will do everything that a .30-06 will do, only better. Plus, for western Washington blacktail deer, my .257 Roberts will do the job just fine and so on.
SJB358":3peofb3w said:
The .30-06 was the #1 round here for most of it's life. Still is in the top 5 iirc, and for good reason. I really think even with no experience in Africa, it would make an excellent light rifle.
Here it is still my go to round, with the exception of the coastal bears.
Well, I do have a .416 Rigby in a Ruger #1. 8) Kind of a wierd story behind that one. I was at the range with my wife testing out some new handloads in frankly I foget what rifle whe a guy sit aat the next bench and breaks outy a Ruger #1 Tropical I can tell because of the very heavy barrel. I said to the wife than one looks like it might be a .458 mg. The shoots one round nd comes out with tha string of cuss words so I go over to emind him of my wife's presence to which he apologizes. said the rifle hurt him so bad that he couldn't help it. So I asked him was it was chambered to and he saaid the .416 Rigby. Before I go any further I have to say that I collect Ruger #1 rifles so my interest perked up right then and there. :wink: He shows me a cartridge and then asked me if I wanted to shoot the rifle. I said why not and as he's handing me the gun, my wife steps in and asked, "You're not gonna shoot that thing are you?" I said, "Sure. Wht not?" I took a bead on a rock a bit bigger than a softball about 50 yards out and touch it off. End result was the kick wasn't all that bad and I did make some very nice gravel. :lol: :lol: :lol: He asked me if I wanted to buy it and I said, "How much?" It did come with a couple pf boxes of factory ammo so I figure the price at $500 was fair and wrote him a check. My wife just looke at me and :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: .
Never had a chance to mess with a .416 Taylor but I do have a .375 Taylor and I like that round quite a lot. it is a rifle you carry a lot and shoot very little as it only weighs 7.5 pounds with scope, sling and a full magazine. I find it a lot easier to make brass by using .458 Win. mag. bras and necking it down, the a very slight trimming to square off the necks. I use the 4350 loads right out of P.O. Ackley's book. ES with the 270 gr. Hornady was 6 FPS and with the 300 gr. Sierra Game King 5 FPS. Very surpising and the gun is very accurate. It does kick a bit though from the bench. :shock: :roll: From most hunting positions it's not all that bad.
Paul B.
Never had a chance to mess with a .416 Taylor but I do have a .375 Taylor and I like that round quite a lot. it is a rifle you carry a lot and shoot very little as it only weighs 7.5 pounds with scope, sling and a full magazine. I find it a lot easier to make brass by using .458 Win. mag. bras and necking it down, the a very slight trimming to square off the necks. I use the 4350 loads right out of P.O. Ackley's book. ES with the 270 gr. Hornady was 6 FPS and with the 300 gr. Sierra Game King 5 FPS. Very surpising and the gun is very accurate. It does kick a bit though from the bench. :shock: :roll: From most hunting positions it's not all that bad.
Paul B.
Guy Miner
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Paul, I like that story of trying and buying the .416 Number One! That's great. And yes, you made one heck of a deal. Nothing like taking a rifle from a guy who just dislocated his shoulder with it! :grin:
DrMike
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Great story, Paul; and you did acquire a fine rifle. Hopefully, your wife appreciates what a fine deal you made by this time. Man, explain to her that you saved a ton of money! :mrgreen: That works great until she comes home with a new dining room suite and explains that she saved thousands, despite the credit card bill showing thousands spent. :roll:
