7mm-08, 180/195 Berger, QL request

[280shooter]

Considering testing some real heavies in my 1-8 twisted 7-08. Could someone please help me with Quickload? I am using Lapua brass and have a 26" barrel.

Load 1: 180 Berger Hybrid, COAL 2.95"
Load 2: 195 Berger EOL, COAL 3.05"

Powders I have are Viht N550 and N560.

Thanks for your time

 

[JD338]

Why do you want to use such heavy bullets in the 7-08? Just curious.

JD338

 

[Dwh7271]

Cartridge          : 7 mm-08 Rem.
Bullet             : .284, 180, Berger Hy Tgt #28407
Useable Case Capaci: 45.938 grain H2O = 2.983 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.950 inch = 74.93 mm
Barrel Length      : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder             : Vihtavuori N550

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.167% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-11.7   87    37.84   2339    2186   40495   7139     98.5    1.585
-10.5   89    38.34   2367    2239   42018   7217     98.8    1.558
-09.3   90    38.84   2395    2293   43597   7290     99.1    1.532
-08.2   91    39.34   2423    2347   45234   7360     99.3    1.507
-07.0   92    39.84   2451    2401   46933   7426     99.5    1.482
-05.8   93    40.34   2479    2456   48695   7488     99.6    1.458
-04.7   94    40.84   2507    2512   50523   7546     99.8    1.434
-03.5   96    41.34   2534    2567   52421   7600     99.9    1.411  ! Near Maximum !
-02.3   97    41.84   2562    2623   54390   7650    100.0    1.389  ! Near Maximum !
-01.2   98    42.34   2589    2680   56435   7696    100.0    1.367  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0   99    42.84   2617    2736   58558   7737    100.0    1.345  ! Near Maximum !
+01.2  100    43.34   2644    2793   60763   7777    100.0    1.324  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.3  101    43.84   2671    2850   63054   7815    100.0    1.303  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.5  102    44.34   2697    2908   65436   7853    100.0    1.283  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.7  104    44.84   2724    2966   67912   7890    100.0    1.263  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.8  105    45.34   2751    3024   70487   7927    100.0    1.244  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba     99    42.84   2666    2841   64317   7564    100.0    1.297  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba     99    42.84   2555    2609   52877   7877     99.4    1.401  ! Near Maximum !

Cartridge          : 7 mm-08 Rem.
Bullet             : .284, 180, Berger Hy Tgt #28407
Useable Case Capaci: 45.938 grain H2O = 2.983 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.950 inch = 74.93 mm
Barrel Length      : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder             : Vihtavuori N560

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.08% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.8   95    41.30   2292    2099   35937   7623     89.5    1.636
-09.7   97    41.80   2322    2155   37257   7742     90.2    1.612
-08.6   98    42.30   2352    2211   38627   7858     90.8    1.586
-07.6   99    42.80   2382    2269   40053   7972     91.5    1.558
-06.5  100    43.30   2413    2327   41537   8083     92.1    1.532
-05.4  101    43.80   2443    2386   43082   8191     92.7    1.507
-04.3  102    44.30   2474    2446   44694   8296     93.3    1.482
-03.2  104    44.80   2504    2507   46373   8398     93.9    1.457
-02.2  105    45.30   2535    2569   48122   8497     94.4    1.432
-01.1  106    45.80   2566    2631   49949   8592     94.9    1.409
+00.0  107    46.30   2597    2695   51854   8684     95.4    1.385  ! Near Maximum !
+01.1  108    46.80   2627    2759   53844   8772     95.9    1.362  ! Near Maximum !
+02.2  109    47.30   2658    2824   55922   8856     96.4    1.340  ! Near Maximum !
+03.2  110    47.80   2689    2891   58095   8935     96.8    1.317  ! Near Maximum !
+04.3  112    48.30   2720    2957   60367   9011     97.2    1.295  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.4  113    48.80   2751    3025   62745   9082     97.6    1.274  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    107    46.30   2678    2866   57411   8744     98.0    1.327  ! Near Maximum !
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    107    46.30   2504    2506   46710   8495     91.7    1.451

Cartridge          : 7 mm-08 Rem.
Bullet             : .284, 195, Berger ElHunt #28550
Useable Case Capaci: 45.291 grain H2O = 2.941 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.050 inch = 77.47 mm
Barrel Length      : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder             : Vihtavuori N560

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.08% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.8   97    41.30   2285    2261   39647   7849     92.7    1.624
-09.7   98    41.80   2315    2320   41139   7958     93.3    1.597
-08.6   99    42.30   2344    2379   42692   8064     93.9    1.570
-07.6  100    42.80   2374    2440   44309   8166     94.5    1.544
-06.5  101    43.30   2403    2501   45994   8265     95.0    1.517
-05.4  103    43.80   2433    2563   47750   8360     95.5    1.492
-04.3  104    44.30   2463    2626   49583   8452     96.0    1.467
-03.2  105    44.80   2492    2690   51494   8541     96.4    1.442  ! Near Maximum !
-02.2  106    45.30   2522    2754   53490   8625     96.8    1.418  ! Near Maximum !
-01.1  107    45.80   2552    2819   55576   8705     97.2    1.394  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  109    46.30   2581    2886   57753   8780     97.6    1.371  ! Near Maximum !
+01.1  110    46.80   2611    2952   60031   8852     98.0    1.348  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.2  111    47.30   2641    3020   62415   8919     98.3    1.326  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.2  112    47.80   2671    3088   64909   8981     98.6    1.304  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.3  113    48.30   2701    3158   67519   9038     98.9    1.282  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.4  114    48.80   2730    3228   70250   9091     99.1    1.260  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    109    46.30   2654    3050   64075   8736     99.4    1.315  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    109    46.30   2497    2700   51915   8692     94.7    1.435  ! Near Maximum !

Cartridge          : 7 mm-08 Rem.
Bullet             : .284, 195, Berger ElHunt #28550
Useable Case Capaci: 45.291 grain H2O = 2.941 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.050 inch = 77.47 mm
Barrel Length      : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder             : Vihtavuori N550

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.196% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-12.0   86    36.81   2254    2200   41255   6994     99.2    1.633
-10.8   87    37.31   2281    2253   42827   7065     99.4    1.606
-09.6   89    37.81   2309    2308   44457   7133     99.6    1.579
-08.4   90    38.31   2336    2362   46148   7196     99.7    1.553
-07.2   91    38.81   2363    2417   47901   7255     99.9    1.527
-06.0   92    39.31   2389    2472   49720   7310     99.9    1.502
-04.8   93    39.81   2416    2527   51607   7361    100.0    1.477  ! Near Maximum !
-03.6   94    40.31   2442    2583   53565   7408    100.0    1.454  ! Near Maximum !
-02.4   96    40.81   2469    2639   55598   7452    100.0    1.430  ! Near Maximum !
-01.2   97    41.31   2495    2695   57708   7495    100.0    1.407  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0   98    41.81   2521    2752   59899   7538    100.0    1.385  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+01.2   99    42.31   2547    2809   62174   7580    100.0    1.363  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.4  100    42.81   2573    2866   64539   7622    100.0    1.342  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.6  102    43.31   2598    2923   66996   7662    100.0    1.321  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.8  103    43.81   2624    2981   69550   7702    100.0    1.300  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0  104    44.31   2649    3039   72207   7741    100.0    1.280  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba     98    41.81   2565    2848   65673   7379    100.0    1.337  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba     98    41.81   2467    2634   54185   7713     99.8    1.441  ! Near Maximum !

 

[jimbires]

I just don't think the 7-08 has the case capacity to run these heavy bullets . I played with my 708 and 168 bergers . I just couldn't get enough velocity to keep me interested . it was accurate but slow . I used RL17 when I tried to run the 168 VLD's . I went to the 140 hunting VLD's with RL17 powder . there are powders that will give more velocity than the two VV powders you are thinking of using . I'd also check Bergers stability calculator to be sure these are stable at these velocities .


here are powder charts to your specs . these would be max loads , so start low and work up .



Cartridge : 7 mm-08 Rem.
Bullet : .284, 180, Berger Hy Tgt G7 #28407
Useable Case Capaci: 45.938 grain H2O = 2.983 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.950 inch = 74.93 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 60191 psi, or 415 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 105 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

6 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
ReloadSwiss RS 60 99.6 44.3 2.87 2704 100.0 60191 7832 1.295 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 70 105.0 47.4 3.07 2688 99.6 58472 8559 1.309 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 98.7 43.8 2.84 2686 100.0 60191 7785 1.303 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Elcho 17 98.7 43.8 2.84 2686 100.0 60191 7785 1.303 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 62 102.3 45.4 2.94 2665 100.0 60191 7863 1.322 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 518 104.3 45.6 2.95 2661 99.8 60191 8095 1.313 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 511 100.1 45.2 2.93 2658 99.9 60191 8036 1.314 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Hunter 103.4 45.2 2.93 2657 99.9 60191 8025 1.314 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-16 105.0 43.3 2.81 2650 100.0 59013 7643 1.326 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-26 105.0 47.8 3.10 2649 99.9 51001 8737 1.384
Winchester 760 97.6 43.7 2.83 2648 99.5 60191 8000 1.319 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H414 97.6 43.7 2.83 2648 99.5 60191 8000 1.319 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S365 105.0 44.2 2.87 2639 100.0 58328 7391 1.332 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 99.9 43.2 2.80 2637 100.0 60191 7767 1.329 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma URP 102.9 43.1 2.79 2636 100.0 60191 7648 1.324 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 102.9 43.1 2.79 2636 100.0 60191 7645 1.324 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 4350 102.3 43.3 2.81 2634 100.0 60191 7609 1.339 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 204 102.2 44.7 2.90 2626 98.3 60191 8000 1.315 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Raufoss RA4 105.0 44.5 2.88 2613 98.2 59197 7971 1.324 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 105.0 44.5 2.88 2613 98.2 59197 7971 1.324 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation 103.0 44.3 2.87 2608 99.3 60191 7725 1.329 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma MRP 105.0 46.4 3.01 2604 98.5 50671 8651 1.396
ADI AR 2209 105.0 44.2 2.87 2596 97.9 56355 8052 1.343 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070 102.1 42.8 2.77 2591 99.6 60191 7577 1.342 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H380 94.6 40.9 2.65 2587 100.0 60191 7351 1.343 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 105.0 43.0 2.79 2582 100.0 58854 6983 1.337 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 105.0 44.5 2.88 2582 97.8 54856 8078 1.364 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 95.2 40.7 2.64 2582 100.0 60191 7064 1.352 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP3 95.2 40.7 2.64 2582 100.0 60191 7064 1.352 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R903 97.3 40.8 2.64 2576 100.0 60191 6990 1.352 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester Supreme 780 105.0 46.9 3.04 2574 97.9 57635 7752 1.341 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355 97.3 40.3 2.61 2570 100.0 60191 7008 1.348 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex S065 100.7 41.7 2.70 2568 99.9 60191 7285 1.346 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 7828 SSC 105.0 45.7 2.96 2564 95.6 51672 8347 1.387 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904 105.0 43.8 2.84 2564 97.1 58171 7685 1.343 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7 99.4 41.3 2.68 2564 99.1 60191 7418 1.342 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R907 99.4 41.3 2.68 2564 99.1 60191 7418 1.342 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4007 SSC 96.2 41.3 2.68 2563 99.1 60191 7413 1.342 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S361 104.9 47.3 3.07 2562 96.5 60191 7598 1.336 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 105.0 44.5 2.88 2557 97.5 53580 7972 1.379 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 105.0 42.6 2.76 2553 100.0 54827 7392 1.387 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6 90.1 39.3 2.55 2545 100.0 60191 6593 1.359 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N560 105.0 45.4 2.94 2543 94.6 48594 8522 1.426
Somchem S385 105.0 44.9 2.91 2543 98.5 54044 7725 1.394 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 94.8 39.3 2.54 2541 100.0 60191 6585 1.378 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2213 105.0 44.9 2.91 2531 95.1 50572 8204 1.402
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 105.0 44.9 2.91 2526 96.6 47955 8287 1.438
Raufoss RA15 105.0 44.9 2.91 2526 96.6 47955 8287 1.438
Alliant Reloder-22 105.0 44.9 2.91 2526 96.6 47955 8287 1.438
Hodgdon H4831 SC 105.0 44.9 2.91 2520 95.1 53033 7800 1.387 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 105.0 47.3 3.06 2514 92.3 47220 8473 1.448
Ramshot Magnum 105.0 48.4 3.14 2492 96.8 47748 7992 1.437
IMR 4955 Enduron 105.0 43.3 2.80 2473 95.2 52164 7491 1.409 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-23 105.0 43.5 2.82 2458 99.9 43533 7633 1.500
Rottweil R905 105.0 44.1 2.86 2458 93.9 46436 7855 1.466
Winchester WXR 105.0 44.0 2.85 2454 95.4 43951 8080 1.497
Bofors RP15 105.0 44.0 2.85 2454 95.4 43951 8080 1.497
Accurate 3100 105.0 44.5 2.88 2447 98.6 47176 7431 1.488
SNPE Vectan SP 12 105.0 47.5 3.08 2437 93.5 43467 8205 1.496
PB Clermont PCL 517 105.0 47.5 3.08 2432 93.3 43236 8197 1.500
Hodgdon H4831 105.0 43.2 2.80 2416 93.3 46420 7491 1.471
IMR 7828 105.0 43.2 2.80 2411 92.8 42820 7879 1.510
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation 105.0 45.3 2.94 2407 90.7 45455 7692 1.481
Alliant Reloder-25 105.0 44.2 2.87 2401 97.7 39714 8016 1.556
ADI AP 2214 105.0 46.2 2.99 2395 92.6 43743 7781 1.500
Vihtavuori N165 105.0 44.0 2.85 2394 96.3 45208 7219 1.495
Vihtavuori N160 105.0 42.6 2.76 2386 94.4 46792 7103 1.479
Bofors RP30 105.0 44.5 2.88 2307 90.7 35458 7881 1.641
Norma MRP 2 105.0 44.5 2.88 2307 90.7 35458 7881 1.641
Lovex S071 105.0 42.0 2.72 2305 96.9 38876 7110 1.624
IMR 7977 Enduron 105.0 44.0 2.85 2283 84.0 45311 6609 1.516
Vihtavuori N570 105.0 46.9 3.04 2265 81.6 34408 8015 1.667
Hodgdon H1000 105.0 44.0 2.85 2252 89.3 36785 7275 1.625
ADI AR 2217 105.0 44.0 2.85 2252 89.3 36785 7275 1.625
Hodgdon Retumbo 105.0 44.7 2.90 2202 90.7 31837 7671 1.716
ADI AR 2225 105.0 44.7 2.90 2202 90.7 31837 7671 1.716
Alliant Reloder-33 105.0 48.2 3.13 2187 79.8 31969 7682 1.726
Lovex D100 105.0 47.8 3.10 2155 76.8 35966 6529 1.665
ReloadSwiss RS 80 105.0 48.2 3.13 2136 78.6 30478 7484 1.765
Vihtavuori N170 105.0 44.0 2.85 2133 80.7 32664 6637 1.732
Vihtavuori 24N41 105.0 47.4 3.07 2122 72.8 33738 6644 1.709
Norma 217 105.0 43.8 2.84 2108 86.7 27197 7461 1.824
ADI AR 2218 105.0 47.4 3.07 2107 73.7 31640 7193 1.749
Hodgdon H870 105.0 45.9 2.98 2074 78.5 27727 7141 1.840
Alliant Reloder-50 105.0 48.1 3.12 2002 72.8 24692 7053 1.925
Bofors 12,7mmRA NC1214 Lot20115087 105.0 47.0 3.05 1994 67.0 25735 6533 1.916
Hodgdon 50BMG 105.0 45.1 2.93 1972 64.6 27638 6024 1.865
Hodgdon US 869 105.0 47.4 3.07 1966 68.0 27225 6072 1.878
SNPE Vectan SP 13 105.0 45.4 2.94 1929 72.5 24679 6069 1.954
Accurate 8700 105.0 46.4 3.01 1884 69.2 24544 5822 1.966
PB Clermont PCL 513/520/9520 105.0 45.4 2.94 1874 68.8 23393 5789 2.002
Vihtavuori 20N29 105.0 47.8 3.10 1856 65.7 23108 5807 2.009
NC A3502 ,test only 105.0 43.5 2.82 1739 46.9 23454 4125 2.039
TLP A 502(RH) ,test only 105.0 43.5 2.82 1721 50.8 21729 4430 2.094
V1734 7-multiperf ,test only 105.0 43.5 2.82 1242 23.2 12715 2016 2.705



Cartridge : 7 mm-08 Rem.
Bullet : .284, 195, Berger ElHunt G7 #28550
Useable Case Capaci: 45.291 grain H2O = 2.941 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.050 inch = 77.47 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 60191 psi, or 415 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 105 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

7 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
ReloadSwiss RS 70 104.2 46.4 3.00 2604 100.0 60191 8377 1.342 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-26 105.0 47.1 3.05 2590 100.0 54474 8522 1.397 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 60 97.9 42.9 2.78 2588 100.0 60191 7612 1.347 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-17 96.9 42.5 2.75 2569 100.0 60191 7563 1.356 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Elcho 17 96.9 42.5 2.75 2569 100.0 60191 7563 1.356 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 62 100.5 44.0 2.85 2551 100.0 60191 7630 1.375 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 518 102.5 44.2 2.86 2550 99.9 60191 7886 1.365 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma MRP 105.0 45.7 2.96 2548 99.5 53857 8557 1.411 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-16 103.7 42.2 2.73 2548 100.0 60191 7432 1.369 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 511 98.4 43.8 2.84 2547 100.0 60191 7820 1.366 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Hunter 101.7 43.8 2.84 2546 100.0 60191 7809 1.366 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S365 104.0 43.2 2.80 2541 100.0 60191 7202 1.370 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester 760 95.9 42.4 2.74 2538 99.8 60191 7794 1.372 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H414 95.9 42.4 2.74 2538 99.8 60191 7794 1.372 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2209 105.0 43.6 2.83 2533 99.0 59402 7990 1.363 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 98.2 41.9 2.71 2524 100.0 60191 7544 1.382 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma URP 101.1 41.8 2.71 2523 100.0 60191 7425 1.377 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 101.1 41.8 2.71 2523 100.0 60191 7423 1.377 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 4350 100.5 42.0 2.72 2521 100.0 60191 7381 1.393 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 103.8 43.4 2.81 2521 98.9 60191 7842 1.367 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 204 100.6 43.4 2.81 2521 98.9 60191 7842 1.367 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Raufoss RA4 103.8 43.4 2.81 2521 98.9 60191 7842 1.367 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-19 105.0 43.8 2.84 2519 98.9 57924 8020 1.384 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 105.0 45.0 2.92 2512 97.3 54600 8337 1.403 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 104.6 46.0 2.98 2503 98.9 60191 7673 1.368 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation 101.4 43.0 2.78 2501 99.7 60191 7544 1.381 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 105.0 43.8 2.84 2496 98.7 56567 7923 1.399 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 105.0 44.8 2.90 2492 96.4 51463 8539 1.442 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904 104.5 43.0 2.79 2488 98.1 60191 7614 1.375 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex S070 100.4 41.5 2.69 2484 99.8 60191 7387 1.394 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4831 105.0 42.0 2.72 2484 100.0 58088 7221 1.408 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 103.9 41.9 2.72 2483 100.0 60191 6799 1.379 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S385 105.0 44.3 2.87 2481 99.4 57290 7641 1.413 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213 105.0 44.3 2.87 2478 96.9 53329 8213 1.420 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 93.0 39.7 2.57 2477 100.0 60191 7137 1.395 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-22 105.0 44.3 2.87 2472 98.1 50863 8260 1.455
Raufoss RA15 105.0 44.3 2.87 2472 98.1 50863 8260 1.455
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 105.0 44.3 2.87 2472 98.1 50863 8260 1.455
Norma 203 old 93.5 39.5 2.56 2468 100.0 60191 6860 1.406 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP3 93.5 39.5 2.56 2468 100.0 60191 6860 1.406 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate MAGPRO 105.0 46.6 3.02 2468 94.5 50159 8530 1.462
Rottweil R903 95.6 39.5 2.56 2463 100.0 60191 6785 1.406 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4831 SC 105.0 44.3 2.87 2463 96.7 55949 7803 1.406 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S361 103.4 46.0 2.98 2463 97.3 60191 7487 1.387 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex S065 99.1 40.5 2.62 2460 100.0 60191 7086 1.398 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP7 97.8 40.1 2.60 2459 99.5 60191 7251 1.394 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R907 97.8 40.1 2.60 2459 99.5 60191 7251 1.394 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4007 SSC 94.8 40.1 2.60 2459 99.5 60191 7246 1.394 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S355 95.6 39.1 2.53 2458 100.0 60191 6807 1.402 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Magnum 105.0 47.7 3.09 2445 98.4 50708 7957 1.451
Accurate 4064 93.0 38.0 2.46 2426 100.0 60191 6389 1.434 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4955 Enduron 105.0 42.6 2.76 2413 96.7 54867 7494 1.432 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905 105.0 43.5 2.82 2407 95.8 49212 7877 1.484
Winchester WXR 105.0 43.4 2.81 2404 97.1 46582 8084 1.514
Bofors RP15 105.0 43.4 2.81 2404 97.1 46582 8084 1.514
Alliant Reloder-23 105.0 42.9 2.78 2400 100.0 46275 7462 1.517
SNPE Vectan SP 12 105.0 46.8 3.03 2398 95.8 46104 8257 1.509
PB Clermont PCL 517 105.0 46.8 3.03 2393 95.6 45849 8254 1.513
Accurate 3100 105.0 43.8 2.84 2391 99.5 50414 7337 1.503
IMR 7828 105.0 42.6 2.76 2365 95.0 45210 7927 1.528
Hodgdon H4831 105.0 42.6 2.76 2364 95.2 48949 7524 1.491
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation 105.0 44.7 2.90 2359 92.9 47802 7773 1.501
Alliant Reloder-25 105.0 43.6 2.83 2355 99.1 42013 7964 1.572
ADI AP 2214 105.0 45.5 2.95 2354 95.0 46164 7845 1.516
Vihtavuori N165 105.0 43.4 2.81 2341 97.8 47899 7197 1.514
Vihtavuori N160 105.0 42.0 2.72 2331 96.1 49333 7112 1.501
Bofors RP30 105.0 43.8 2.84 2271 93.3 37646 7976 1.660
Norma MRP 2 105.0 43.8 2.84 2271 93.3 37646 7976 1.660
Lovex S071 105.0 41.5 2.69 2258 98.3 41561 7073 1.638
Vihtavuori N570 105.0 46.2 3.00 2239 85.1 36447 8243 1.681
IMR 7977 Enduron 105.0 43.4 2.81 2236 86.4 47625 6712 1.539
ADI AR 2217 105.0 43.4 2.81 2216 92.1 38784 7390 1.643
Hodgdon H1000 105.0 43.4 2.81 2216 92.1 38784 7390 1.643
Hodgdon Retumbo 105.0 44.1 2.86 2174 93.8 33617 7814 1.736
ADI AR 2225 105.0 44.1 2.86 2174 93.8 33617 7814 1.736
Alliant Reloder-33 105.0 47.6 3.08 2166 83.4 33851 7940 1.741
Lovex D100 105.0 47.2 3.06 2123 79.8 37996 6705 1.685
ReloadSwiss RS 80 105.0 47.6 3.08 2119 82.5 32256 7770 1.780
Vihtavuori N170 105.0 43.4 2.81 2099 83.6 34674 6786 1.756
Vihtavuori 24N41 105.0 46.7 3.03 2094 76.1 35535 6874 1.725
ADI AR 2218 105.0 46.7 3.03 2091 78.2 33354 7573 1.765
Norma 217 105.0 43.2 2.80 2088 90.3 28849 7654 1.844
Hodgdon H870 105.0 45.3 2.93 2055 82.3 29331 7403 1.858
Alliant Reloder-50 105.0 47.4 3.07 1992 76.9 26250 7375 1.940
Bofors 12,7mmRA NC1214 Lot20115087 105.0 46.4 3.00 1975 70.4 27542 6787 1.934
Hodgdon 50BMG 105.0 44.5 2.88 1948 67.8 29126 6266 1.888
Hodgdon US 869 105.0 46.7 3.03 1944 71.4 28702 6320 1.900
SNPE Vectan SP 13 105.0 44.8 2.90 1909 76.1 26064 6307 1.949
Accurate 8700 105.0 45.7 2.96 1868 73.2 25868 6110 1.988
PB Clermont PCL 513/520/9520 105.0 44.8 2.90 1856 72.5 24680 6041 2.026
Vihtavuori 20N29 105.0 47.2 3.06 1843 69.6 24402 6102 2.031
NC A3502 ,test only 105.0 42.9 2.78 1714 49.5 24544 4334 2.071
TLP A 502(RH) ,test only 105.0 42.9 2.78 1697 53.8 22777 4669 2.126
V1734 7-multiperf ,test only 105.0 42.9 2.78 1223 24.5 13221 2121 2.75

 

[280shooter]

Thanks a lot for the data and tips guys! As for why, pretty much the same reason FTR shooters are often shooting 200-215 gr bullet from 308s. Slow high BC bullets equals lower wind drift at 1000+ yards. At least that's the theory behind it. I will test this to find out for myself, what works for me and not. I am very humble to the fact that it may not work as well, but experimenting can be fun too regarding twist rate, I have an 8 twist so Berger's twist calc says I'm fine.

 

[Gunner46]

Less time in flight = less wind drift.

 

[280shooter]

The heavies still drift less in the wind at longer ranges. After a certain yardage the higher BC bullet overtakes the faster low BC bullet and has a shorter TOF too. Play with JBM.

TOF is not equal to wind drift.

 

[jimbires]

I forget what speed I was getting with my 168's , but I was trying to turn it into something it wasn't . I think I did run my info through JBM for the 168's and the 140's , if I remember right my 168 load never did catch up . my 168 load was shooting good though . if you decide to do this let us know how it works out . here is a 400 yard target . I wrote the velocity and load on it . 41.5 gr of RL17 with a .050 jump . I shot 3 shots but I couldn't see them on target , so I walked out to see if I was hitting . I'm not sure if I choked or conditions changed or what , but I couldn't put the last 2 with the other 3 .

 

[jason miller]

The only 7-08 I've worked with easily did 2700+ with 162's in a 22" barrel. I've wondered about the 180's and 195's, too. If the BC on the new Hornady 180 is legit, it and the 195 Berger aren't going to beaten by anything in this case for wind drift.