7SAUM or .300SAUM

[Powerstroke]

Does anyone have any experience with either round? If I'm looking at things correctly, the 7SAUM is very close to the .280 ??
Biggest question is recoil between the two, is or would the .300SAUM be much more than the 7SAUM? Looking at one of the two for my wife.

 

[YoteSmoker]

I have the 300 SAUM in 700 Sendero with 26" barrel. It is a heavy gun and still kicks the snot out me. Had it cut to fit me and a kick-eez pad installed. Will be getting a break soon so I can enjoy it. I have no experience with the 7 SAUM but know recoil would be somewhat less but maybe still not nice for your wife. Are you looking at a model 7 or Sendero? Either way, I think would be a little more stout and in the light gun a lot more stout than she would enjoy shooting. I'd recommend a 7mm08 and 308 and forget the SAUM personally. Ammo is easier to come by and she could shoot it a lot more and get good with it.

 

[rick smith]

I have both the 300 and 7mm SAUM, the 300 is on a model 7 action and the 7mm a standard 700SA. With 165gr bullets the 300 has a fair amount of recoil with a 150gr it feels more like a 30/06. The 7mm has a longer barrel and is heavier. Therefore recoil is not a problem with bullets of 140-150grs. Mine really likes the 140gr NAB. The 300 is shooting the 150gr NSB.Rick.

 

[Guest]

I'd have to agree that if you're looking for a first rifle for your wife, and concerned with recoil, you should back away from the SAUM series, and go to something like YoteSmoker said, a 7mm-08, 308, or even a 243Win or 260Rem. Any of these will reliably kill deer out to 300yds, which covers very likely 99%+ of all the deer shot, ever, in the history of time. The bigger stuff (7-08 and 308) are suitable for elk, so there is some flexibility there. I don't know if the 260Rem is suitable for elk or not. I'll let someone else comment on that. I know my 243 is not!

That said, if I were buying either of these, I'd be very careful about the choice, as it will require handloading, and you'd better stock up on brass. I'd get 500rds (all of the same lot, in bulk, would be about $275-300, I bet) because both of these rounds are sort of dying on the vine, so to speak, especially the 7mm.

If it is not her first rifle, and she's looking to move up to a magnum from something else, either of these will be fine, but the 7mm will have less recoil by a noticeable amount. Of course, as you have said, it is basically the equivalent to the 280Rem, which is gaining in popularity and ammo availability every year recently, which begs the question, why not just buy a nice 700 Mountain in 280?

 

[nomosendero]

Forgive me, this is an opinion & not an answer to your direct question, but
I wanted to throw it in. My Wife uses a 6.5X55 & will not try anything else. She doesn't shoot alot, but she shoots good at her self imposed limit of 300 yards. And within 300 yards it will kill any Deer walking with minimal recoil. We are going to WY. this fall, hope to test some Accubonds soon &
I already know the 120BT will do well for Antelope.
If you are set on the RSAUM, go with the 7. Load some 140 gr & install a limbsaver. Good luck.

 

[JD338]

Powerstroke,

I also agree that the 7mmSAUM w/ 140 gr bullets would be the better choice for your bride. If I may make a suggestion, take a look at the 280AI. You can shoot 280 Rem through it and you can load it up to 7mmRM performance level if needed.
Good luck on your decision. Let us know what you decide on.

JD338

 

[Big Squeeze]

Powerstroke....................Between the two, if only your final choices for your wife, then get the 7mm. I do not own either, but have friends in my shooting fraternity that do!. Based on my experience, the recoil on the 7mm will be less........Amongst our group though, are 2 wives that shoot 270 WSM`s. They luv their 270`s!!!......................Big Squeeze!

 

[Guest]

personally if looking for a good round for with low recoil my first choice would be the 260 remington or the 6.5 swede.

 

[Powerstroke]

All awesome sugestions !!
Should have giving a tad more info though. She handles recoil much better than I do. We / She has a Model 7 in .260 which yes has taken cow elk just beyond the 300yrd mark with 120gn B-tips.
The 300SAUM would be another model 7, the 7SAUM would be a SPS Stainelss. I'm thinking the longer barrel of the 7SAUM may make up a little on the shorter Model 7 ??

With all that said, yes my .280 is one of my favorite rounds and would probably be that much better with the " AI " behind it.....
Decisions Decisions.....

I am having another .260 built at the moment... using a Rem 700 Varmiter that was chambered in 22-250. 23in Stainless fluted Lilja barrel that was supposed to be ready to go "LAST" hunting season that I still don't have back.

Thanks again for all the input !

 

[Britz]

I have studied the recoil and balistics on the SAUM and WSM series as well as some other mags for my own info in purchasing a 300 wsm. I will agree with the above post that if your wife wants a powerfull and low recoil round to go with the 270 or 7mm wsm. Or just go w/ the standard 270 or 280. THis is a helova round for deer to elk. High velocity, reletively low recoil and so on. Also it is a little easier to get rounds for the wsm than the SAUM series. Here is a link that list recoil tables for several rifles. You will be able to see the comparison from the rifle you want and some rifles you may have shot before. Note that the weight of the rifle will change recoil. Good luck.
mark

http://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm

 

[JD338]

Powerstroke,

What you need is a 270 WSM.

JD338

 

[buckfever]

I bought my wife a .280 in a ruger all weather it has a timmny and shots groups with the 140 partitions you can cover with a dime, and it does not have much recoil. So buy a 280 you cant go wrong.

 

[Powerstroke]

buckfever,
I hear ya on that, I do have a .280 that shoots very well. The "wife's" is currently a .260 that fits her very well.

JD
You may have hit it perfectly.......the 270wsm would fill my gap between the two.......
Things that make you go hmmmmmmmm

 

[buckfever]

Powerstroke. My dad has a 270 WSM and its a good shoot'n rifle.I think it would work pretty good to.

 

[RemmyTim]

I agree with the 270WSM if you are looking for a "gap filler".

However,I have loaded and shot both the 7SAUM and the 300SAUM.Both are very good and efficient rounds.Its a shame that they wont be around too much longer.The 300 kicked about like a 30-06 but had a lot more muzzleblast.2 good friends still have their 300's but have about 1000 pieces of brass since they are getting harder and harder to come by.

I really dont think you could go wrong with either the 270WSM or the 7SAUM for your wife,the 300 would be a little stout I would think.

Tim

 

[YoteSmoker]

RemmyTim- Do you happen to have any of your loading data left for what shot good in your friends' 300 saums? I've got one in the Sendero model. So far, I've only tested H4350 and 180 AccuBond bullets. Shot great group with it when testing. Loaded 50 up. Went back to the range. Nothing like the first test group....Times like this really makes me wonder!

 

[RemmyTim]

Sure do-

Rifle #1 a Rem 700 BDL,200 gr AccuBond,Remington brass,Remington 9 1/2 primer,58 grains of IMR 4350 (VERY TIGHT FIT)

Rifle #2,also a Rem 700 BDL,165 Nosler Partitions,Remington brass,9 1/2 primer,64.5 grains of IMR 4350 (THIS IS ABOVE MAX LISTED LOAD,HIS RIFLE COULD HOLD IT WITHOUT SHOWING SIGNS OF PRESSURE.PLEASE LOAD UP TO THIS SLOWLY)

Both were very accurate loads and took several animals in Alaska.I really wish these SAUM's would have taken off,they are such good rounds and I believe they are better then the WSM's.Good luck and let me know if you need anymore info,I can always call them to find out anything I dont have.

Tim

 

[YoteSmoker]

Thank you very much Tim! Will have to give these a try.

 

[RemmyTim]

Not a problem,glad I could help.Just please work up slowly to the max charge.I was very leary that the rifle could do it,but it did.

Tim

 

[7SAUM]

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