A Hot Day at the Range

DrMike

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Nov 8, 2006
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I enjoyed a busy day shooting on Wednesday. The day began as a typical day in paradise (sunny and calm, temperature about 20 C (71 F)). By mid-afternoon, it was 34 C in direct sunlight. Some powders are pretty temperature sensitive, requiring attention to ensure that they are kept in the shade in order to get a decent velocity reading. The day was calm until late in the afternoon, so conditions were good for gathering information.

I had a 7mm STW for which I'm doing load development. The first attempt found one load that works (magnum and 160 grain TSX), but so far I'm having trouble stabilizing 160 grain ABs. I'll work up some other loads and try again next week. In the interim, because I put on a new scope, I sighted in my 350 RM with 200 grain TSX (2850 fps) and resighted my 35 Whelan that was just returned from Ruger for warranty work.

I found a good load for my 7mm RM, using 160 g AB and 63.5 g RL22. Velocity and accuracy was good at this charge. Unfortunately for the AB, I have an even more accurate load with 175 g. PT and with 175 g. TBBC, using H870. However, I'm looking forward to the eventual day when my dwindling supply of H870 is finally exhausted. I also worked up an accurate load with the 175 g PT and RL22, and I also have a very good load with 160 g PT and 59.5 g H100V. I also found a good load with 160 AB and 69.5 g RL25. I want to shoot this load again, as it appears to be a touch hot. I did get my first opportunity to shoot the 150 g E-Tip, using Retumbo. 73.5 g gave very good velocity and good accuracy. Across the spectrum of charges, this looks very promising.

I hadn't shot my 30-06 for some time, so I took it with me. I found an exceptionally accurate load with the 168 g E-Tip and Ramshot Hunter, but velocities were quite low. I also worked up my first loads using the 165 and 150 g GMX bullets. 58.5 g of IMR4831 with the 165 g GMX gave excellent velocity (2900 fps) and 3/4 inch groups. Regardless of the charge with IMR4350, the 150 g GMX shot one inch groups. I'll play with seating depths and see if these can be improved.

I'm still breaking in a new 300 WSM, and so it accompanied me to the range. I worked up a load with IMR8208XBR and 165 g PT. As I approached maximum charge, the groups progressively opened up. This may not be the best powder for this particular bullet. However, I was pleased with a load consisting of 60 g N550 and 180 g E-Tip, which gave me acceptable velocity and good accuracy. As the charge increased, the groups opened up. However, there is potential here. I also worked up and shot some 200 g Sierra GK in this rifle. I am always impressed with the 200 g bullets and wonder why I'm not using them. I'll focus on some loads with 200 g AB later this summer.

On the whole, I am impressed with the accuracy potential of the monolithic bullets for a variety of cartridges. I'll likely use monolithic bullets exclusively this fall. I've used a fair number of TSX in years past and never had a failure with them. My first use of the E-Tip this past fall (130 g in 270 WSM) was quite impressive.

In all, an informative day at the range. The Conservation Service had all their officers from the entire northern BC region at the range for qualifications, so it gave me opportunity to speak to some of the fellows in the field. Several of them shoot some interesting cartridges, as well.
 
93 degree F?
I had no idea it got that warm in your area.
It's 93 here lately by 10AM.
Raining here now,77 and humid. The 77 part feels good but it will be short lived. It will be 95 and 100% humidity by 6PM I'm sure.

What kind of velocity were you seeing with the 7mm STW?
What kind of rifle,barrel length etc please.

I have been tinkering with building a 7mm STW and wonder if I'm really going to see that much difference versus a 7 Rem Mag.

Thanks in Advance,
Howard
 
Howard,

There is a reason I moved from Dallas! Seriously, that was a hot day for this area. It is all about acclimatization. What we consider to be a mild winter is brutal for southerners. I was visiting a week ago with some friends from Oregon who were driving through. He was wearing a tuque (stocking cap) and a woolen jacket, while everyone about us was dressed in shorts and shirt sleeves.

The STW I was shooting has a 24 inch barrel. It is built on a Borden action and sports a Swarovski Z6i 2-12 x 50. I would opt for a 26 inch tube if it were my rifle. The velocities with a maximum charge of Magnum and a 160 g AB was 3330, which exceeded somewhat what I anticipated. With a 160 g TSX, velocity was 3150, which was somewhat less than expected. The SD was very good on both sets of loads, but accuracy with the AB was not what the owner wanted. The "worst" group was 1.25 inches, but the rifle is capable of much better. I have been instructed to refocus on the TSX. I'll make up another set of loads with the AB, however, using H1000 as my powder and I'll fine tune the TSX load that relies on Magnum.

I like the 7mm STW. Honestly, however, if you have a 7mm RM, it is hard to justify the need. On the other hand, what does need have to do with our acquisitions? My hunting partner has used his to collect elk, moose, black bear, and a variety of deer. All were mightily impressed by the 160 grain AB that he shoots. Most of the others for which I have done load development wanted a 140 grain pill. The one which surprised me most insisted that he wanted 140 grain BTs. He would not consider the 160 g AB. He was going to hunt white tail with an occasional hunt for elk. I haven't heard whether he was satisfied with the performance at the velocities he generates or not. I do believe the 160 grain AB is just about right for this cartridge.
 
Dr. Mike -

You're one of the few I know that has any experience with Viht powders -

Not speaking caiber specific - short of price, have you found any reason to just plainly "NOT" use Viht ?

I've always had real good luck with it - be it N140 out of my .223, 22-250, 7-08, N-165 in the .270wsm & .280 or N560 in the .260 and soon to find out .300RUM.
N-560 so far appears to be the RL-17 version of the Viht line - velocity has been phenominal in anything I've tried it in.
I had good groups 3/4 inch with N-165 out of the RUM, just lower velocity than what I would like.
 
Powerstroke,

I've had very good success with Vihtavuori powders. N165 is a great powder in the 270 WSM, the 280 and the 7mm RM. N550 and N560 work very well in the 300 WSM. N135 is a great powder for the .358, as is N133.

Generally, I find the Vihtavuori powders to give good service. They are clean burning, not particularly temperature sensitive, and provide a good range of burn rates. In each of these cartridges, the loads developed with these powders are among my favourites.
 
Dr. Mike/Howard

It sounds like a pretty good day. A little to warm for me however I like the mid to high 70"s. I have been shooting the STW for several years now and very much like the caliber. It doesn't seem to back up quite as hard as my .300 Win Mag. A couple of elk have fallen to it one close one at medium range with typical results. The most accurate load I have found in my previous testing has been 81 gr of H-1000 with the 162 Hornady BTSP. These will typically shoot under 1/2 min of angle at 100 and 200 yards. The next best is the same powder and amount with the 160 TSX larger groups but still right at a inch minus. With this powder using the Accubonds I have been unable to get close to an inch, so as Dr. Mike knows I am working with RL-25 and will probably get to shoot in the next day or so. Wind is bad here again for a couple of days. I am not sure of velocities as I do not have a crony but using ballistic tables for 3100 works real well in this rifle with the 24 inch barrel. If the accubonds don't work out I will go back to the TSX and quit worrying about changing bullets. My whole intent in the change over was to gain a little more BC thereby flatning out the trajectory curve past 500 yards a little. I did try the Berger but could only get the best accuracy with lighter loads. Nuff from me have a great day!
 
Dr.Mike
I am intrigued by all of your post and I have to ask. What is it that you do for a living? It seems to me that you must be a doctor or have a PHD in ballistics....a Shootologist maybe. Is it possible that you work up loads and break in guns for money? That would be too cool of a job and quite frustrating at times I would guess. I'm just curious .Sounds like something that I would like to do when I retire....need a partner? Let me run this by my wife before I get my plane ticket.
 
Swamp Hunter,

I have a PhD in Biochemistry. After a successful career in that endeavour, I entered into a second career as a Baptist Pastor. In my spare time I conduct ballistics studies. I am blessed to have been in the right place at the right time to have the opportunity I have to work for one of Canada's premier rifle makers, testing their product, doing load development for customers and teaching seminars on hand loading. I was approached by one of their representatives at a time when they were beginning to offer several new services that fit with my capabilities.

I have to tell you that I guard this position somewhat jealously.
 
Swamp Hunter, there are going to be two of us trying to get Mikes second job when we retire! Plus, he lives in a real life internal ballistics lab with the ability to hunt 80% or more of North America's big game!!! Scotty
 
DrMike":lsrco4xi said:
Swamp Hunter,

I have a PhD in Biochemistry. After a successful career in that endeavour, I entered into a second career as a Baptist Pastor. In my spare time I conduct ballistics studies. I am blessed to have been in the right place at the right time to have the opportunity I have to work for one of Canada's premier rifle makers, testing their product, doing load development for customers and teaching seminars on hand loading. I was approached by one of their representatives at a time when they were beginning to offer several new services that fit with my capabilities.

I have to tell you that I guard this position somewhat jealously.

I would guess that you do!

Wow, I would have done anything for a job like that. I was an Automation Engineer, turned Mfg. Exec. and Strategic manufacturing guru (have an MBA).
 
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