barnes 168 ttsx in 30-30 win.

[caribouhunter]

i would like to do some expension testing with the barnes ttsx
to see how they would perform between 2100 and 1700 fps out of my 300
ultra. but it would be easier to load them in my 30-30 (single shot of course) and test at around 50-125 yard than at 600y with the big boomer!
what do you think?
i don't know the rifling twist of the 30-30 but its a winnie 94

 

[kraky]

I'd use start data for the 170 grainers in the 30-30. (and work with a chrono) You may have to seat pretty deep...if you have an oal to ogive gauge that would be helpfull.
You could work up from there but I wouldn't expect any surprises.

 

[remingtonman_25_06]

You are on the right track. Just make sure you have a crono to help you out, which I assume you do.

Its hard to catch bullets at 1000 yards I know what you mean, so the next best thing is to load them down as far and safely as you can, and shoot at at 300-400 or wherever you want to see them perform at.

Not to sure on the twist...

 

[1Shot]

Winchester 94 30-30 has a 1 N 12 twist.

 

[FOTIS]

Cartridge : .300 Rem Ultra Mag
Bullet : .308, 168, Barnes 'TSX'BT 30844
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.598 inch or 91.39 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch or 660.4 mm
Powder : Alliant UNIQUE

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 3.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms


-21.0 36 22.12 1926 1384 28701 3843 100.0 1.993
-18.0 38 22.96 1965 1440 30304 3970 100.0 1.865
-15.0 39 23.80 2002 1495 31877 4097 100.0 1.784
-12.0 41 24.64 2038 1550 33455 4223 100.0 1.723
-09.0 42 25.48 2074 1604 35046 4349 100.0 1.671
-06.0 43 26.32 2108 1658 36654 4475 100.0 1.626
-03.0 45 27.16 2142 1712 38281 4600 100.0 1.586
+00.0 46 28.00 2175 1765 39927 4724 100.0 1.550
+03.0 48 28.84 2208 1819 41594 4847 100.0 1.517
+06.0 49 29.68 2240 1872 43283 4969 100.0 1.487
+09.0 50 30.52 2272 1926 44994 5091 100.0 1.459
+12.0 52 31.36 2303 1979 46727 5212 100.0 1.432
+15.0 53 32.20 2334 2032 48484 5332 100.0 1.408

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 46 28.00 2181 1774 41150 4713 100.0 1.526
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 46 28.00 2168 1754 38389 4739 100.0 1.581










Cartridge : .300 Rem Ultra Mag
Bullet : .308, 168, Barnes 'TSX'BT 30844
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.598 inch or 91.39 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch or 660.4 mm
Powder : Alliant BULLSEYE

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 3.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-30.0 31 19.60 1893 1337 27123 3738 100.0 1.872
-27.0 33 20.44 1934 1396 28679 3882 100.0 1.801
-24.0 34 21.28 1974 1454 30257 4026 100.0 1.744
-21.0 35 22.12 2014 1513 31857 4169 100.0 1.692
-18.0 37 22.96 2052 1571 33480 4310 100.0 1.646
-15.0 38 23.80 2090 1629 35126 4451 100.0 1.605
-12.0 39 24.64 2126 1687 36794 4591 100.0 1.568
-09.0 41 25.48 2163 1744 38485 4731 100.0 1.533
-06.0 42 26.32 2198 1802 40200 4869 100.0 1.501
-03.0 44 27.16 2233 1860 41938 5006 100.0 1.471
+00.0 45 28.00 2267 1917 43700 5143 100.0 1.443
+03.0 46 28.84 2301 1975 45486 5278 100.0 1.417
+06.0 48 29.68 2334 2032 47297 5413 100.0 1.392
+09.0 49 30.52 2367 2089 49132 5547 100.0 1.369
+12.0 50 31.36 2399 2147 50992 5680 100.0 1.346
+15.0 52 32.20 2431 2204 52877 5812 100.0 1.325

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 45 28.00 2271 1924 44861 5134 100.0 1.424
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 45 28.00 2261 1908 42230 5154 100.0 1.465

 

[Thebear_78]

I pushed three of the 168 TSX thru a moose this year. THey work, and well. I wouldn't worry too much about how they will perform. Just use them. I have been loading them in my 300 Ultra with retumbo for 3370fps. I got over 5 foot of penetration at just under 200 yards on a rump to chest shot this year.

 

[JD338]

I pushed three of the 168 TSX thru a moose this year. THey work, and well. I wouldn't worry too much about how they will perform. Just use them. I have been loading them in my 300 Ultra with retumbo for 3370fps. I got over 5 foot of penetration at just under 200 yards on a rump to chest shot this year.

Congratulations on the moose. Post a picture for us. Five feet of penetration is serious.

JD338

 

[Thebear_78]

I shot this fork horn on the fist day, fist 15 miutes of my moose hunt this year. Usually we will travel by 4 wheeler from 10-17 miles off the road depending on how much time we have to hunt. About a half mile from the truck we ran across this fork just off the trail. Its really hard to pass up that much premium meat so I took it. Young forkhorns are MUCH better eating than the older bulls anyway.

First shot was hard quartering away thru the pounch and out the off shoulder, second shot was "texas heart shot" thru the right ham and out the front of the chest on the left side of the neck, last shot was thre the ribs left to right. Tipped over backwards after the last shot. Its not uncommon to shoot moose more than once and I never shop shooting until they are down. THey have a nasty habit of finding deep, muddy, water to die in.

It doesn't get much easy than this hunt. Was able to drive my truck down the trail almost to the moose, drug it to the trailer with the 4 wheeler and then wenched it up onto the trailer usint me and my buddies 4 wheeler winches. We were on our way home no more than an hour and a half after setting out. I got it processed and now we have plenty of jerky, burger, steaks, and sausage to last the winter.