Hi, I have a ruger m77/ mk2 atainless steel bolt action, left hand composite stock. Seems like some of the barrels ruger used for these guns were crap and some were good depending on which manufacturing plant they came from. Do any of you know where i might be able to pick up an upgraded barrel or have one made for my gun??
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What is wrong with the setup now? Is it just not shooting well, or is there something you can see down the bore that concerns you? I am asuming you have thoroughly cleaned it, as most folks on here are pretty meticulous, but if you haven't tried one of the foaming bore cleaners to remove copper fouling, try that first. Maybe your barrel is hiding something in the bore and getting it scrubbed out well will allow the gun to function to your liking.
What kind of groups is it shooting right now?
What kind of groups is it shooting right now?
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No, its not dirty. My 270 is my pride and joy, its in perfect condition. When i first got this rifle, It did not group well at all!!! We tried everything, different ammo, different scopes, through cleanings.......ect
I got frustrated because deer season was approaching, so i sent it in to ruger and they sent it back with not much of an explanation, it just stated that it had been stripped down and inspected. So out of curiousity i searched the internet for different barrels. I came accross this site that stated that on some of the mkII's they were actually manufactured with 2 different brands of barrels. One was good and one was crap (WOULD NOT GROUP). They said that it was the luck of the draw on which barrel you got. Nothing is wrong with it right now, shoots fine. But i am just looking to get something made for it. I was going to get some ribs or twists on the exterior of the barrel and was wanting to know if anyone knew of a place that made barrels. I have found one or two sights that said they can manufacture a barrel so it will group withen 1/4 at 100 yards or something like that. They put a guarentee on the barrel. Just wondering if anyone knew of a place that could make a barrel or if any companies offer them. I will have to see if i can find the sight about the barrel problems for ya.
I got frustrated because deer season was approaching, so i sent it in to ruger and they sent it back with not much of an explanation, it just stated that it had been stripped down and inspected. So out of curiousity i searched the internet for different barrels. I came accross this site that stated that on some of the mkII's they were actually manufactured with 2 different brands of barrels. One was good and one was crap (WOULD NOT GROUP). They said that it was the luck of the draw on which barrel you got. Nothing is wrong with it right now, shoots fine. But i am just looking to get something made for it. I was going to get some ribs or twists on the exterior of the barrel and was wanting to know if anyone knew of a place that made barrels. I have found one or two sights that said they can manufacture a barrel so it will group withen 1/4 at 100 yards or something like that. They put a guarentee on the barrel. Just wondering if anyone knew of a place that could make a barrel or if any companies offer them. I will have to see if i can find the sight about the barrel problems for ya.
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Before ruger broke down and purchased their own Hammer Forging machines they had several contracts with barrel makers. I have heard that Douglas was one and recently I heard Wilson was another. You could have gotten a match grade gun or a buckshot launcher! :evil:
For a while there ot was the luck of the draw. I had a 243 77V that I bought in Germany while stationed there. Would you believe that this gun did 1-1.5" at 300 yards anyday of the week and twice on Sunday? Yup shot like a house afire!
Had another 77 bought in 1998 in 300 WIn mag. Shot into less than 1/2" at 100 but with one load only!
That load was the old red/white box 150gr PMC at 3350 fps average velocity. Anything else would be like patterning a shotgun! Since this was an elk rifle and that load was no elk load the rifle went the way of the dodo bird.
A recent Ruger 77 in 25-06 (I bought last summer) would not break 1.5" at 100 yards no matter what. I sold it to somebody that thought that kind of accuracy was the greatest thing since sliced bread! Now we are both happy.
What did ruger exactly say and how did you get that 270 to shoot straight? :?:
For a while there ot was the luck of the draw. I had a 243 77V that I bought in Germany while stationed there. Would you believe that this gun did 1-1.5" at 300 yards anyday of the week and twice on Sunday? Yup shot like a house afire!
Had another 77 bought in 1998 in 300 WIn mag. Shot into less than 1/2" at 100 but with one load only!
That load was the old red/white box 150gr PMC at 3350 fps average velocity. Anything else would be like patterning a shotgun! Since this was an elk rifle and that load was no elk load the rifle went the way of the dodo bird.
A recent Ruger 77 in 25-06 (I bought last summer) would not break 1.5" at 100 yards no matter what. I sold it to somebody that thought that kind of accuracy was the greatest thing since sliced bread! Now we are both happy.
What did ruger exactly say and how did you get that 270 to shoot straight? :?:
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This had been over 4 years ago so its hard to jog my memory. But i think that they just wrote that they took it apart, cleaned, and bench tested. Sent it back and it shot fine. I dont know if it was a problem that they didnt want to disclose. Like the bad barrel problems, or if it was a recalled rifle. Some of the rifles were recalled due to bad grouping, was mine one? I dont know. dont really know what it shoots at right now, havnt really benched it. But i suspect that it shoots under an inch at 100. Will be bench testing it pretty soon.
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Smitty - I've had good luck with several barrel makers, but for consistent accuracy, long life, and ease of cleaning... at this point I've had my best results from Krieger. They're cut-rifle barrels of excellent quality.
http://www.kriegerbarrels.com
I've also had very good results from a Hart barrel, and have an Obermeyer all threaded and chambered, waiting to be put on my match rifle, should I ever wear out this latest Krieger.
Have shot against, and have great respect for, barrels made by Dan Lilja and Pac Nor. Both are very good.
There are other barrel makers out there with excellent products as well. Broughton comes to mind...
Find a rifle builder you trust, one with match rifle building experience, and have him order up the custom tube you want. This is a real treat. You get to specify the contour, length, and rate of twist. In some cases you can even deviate from the standard bore size. You also have input into which chamber reamer is used, how tight the neck will be and how much "free bore" you want.
Some of the barrel makers will accept your rifled action, and will true it, perform any necessary modifications & improvements and then barrel it with a fine match-grade barrel. Some will even glass bed, or pillar bed your rifle for you.
When you start talking barrel replacement, you can go as simple as just replacing the tube with another factory tube, or you can open up the world of custom rifles, and get exactly what you want...
Best of luck on the project! Regards, Guy
http://www.kriegerbarrels.com
I've also had very good results from a Hart barrel, and have an Obermeyer all threaded and chambered, waiting to be put on my match rifle, should I ever wear out this latest Krieger.
Have shot against, and have great respect for, barrels made by Dan Lilja and Pac Nor. Both are very good.
There are other barrel makers out there with excellent products as well. Broughton comes to mind...
Find a rifle builder you trust, one with match rifle building experience, and have him order up the custom tube you want. This is a real treat. You get to specify the contour, length, and rate of twist. In some cases you can even deviate from the standard bore size. You also have input into which chamber reamer is used, how tight the neck will be and how much "free bore" you want.
Some of the barrel makers will accept your rifled action, and will true it, perform any necessary modifications & improvements and then barrel it with a fine match-grade barrel. Some will even glass bed, or pillar bed your rifle for you.
When you start talking barrel replacement, you can go as simple as just replacing the tube with another factory tube, or you can open up the world of custom rifles, and get exactly what you want...
Best of luck on the project! Regards, Guy
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As for rebarrelling, I don't know which barrel POP was referring to when he called one great and the other crap from Ruger's suppliers, but I have a friend with a Douglas XX barrel that loves it. His is on a Mark V action, and is chambered in .257Wby. He went out to WY for pronghorn last fall and did some phenomenal long range prep work prior, with excellent results.
I have also heard great things about Lilja, Krieger, Hart, and Shilen barrels, and there is also Montana Rifle Co, although I haven't heard anything about their stuff yet. Getting one rebarreled is a pretty straightforward experience, just send the action to the barrel maker and let them do it, or if you have a local smith you trust, have him order the barrel and do it in his shop. Should be no problem, but it may not offer much improvement over stock, if you aren't having tremendous problems right now. You will be looking at something in the $400-600 range, depending on what you get, and who does the work.
I have also heard great things about Lilja, Krieger, Hart, and Shilen barrels, and there is also Montana Rifle Co, although I haven't heard anything about their stuff yet. Getting one rebarreled is a pretty straightforward experience, just send the action to the barrel maker and let them do it, or if you have a local smith you trust, have him order the barrel and do it in his shop. Should be no problem, but it may not offer much improvement over stock, if you aren't having tremendous problems right now. You will be looking at something in the $400-600 range, depending on what you get, and who does the work.
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I had good experiences with Pac-Nor in Oregon. They did 2 rebarrels for me. I had burned out the factory barrel on my 30-06, and so I had them just rebarrel it with a Supermatch 22" sporter-profile barrel. I love it- it's very accurate and FAST. So then I had them rebarrel my Model 7 from 7mm-08 to .358 Win and again I am very happy with the results.
I just sent them the barreled actions and let them do their thing. They true up the action, lap the lugs, and install the barrel... seems like it was about $400 or so. Then, unless you have them exactly match the profile of your old barrel, you will have some stock work to do. I like the idea of having them do it instead of a gunsmith; it's the same barrel, but having them do it was faster, cheaper, and kept all the liability under one roof so to speak. It turned out I did have a problem with my .358 (short throat) and they took care of it for free very quickly.
I'm sure the other major barrel makers are equally good.
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I just sent them the barreled actions and let them do their thing. They true up the action, lap the lugs, and install the barrel... seems like it was about $400 or so. Then, unless you have them exactly match the profile of your old barrel, you will have some stock work to do. I like the idea of having them do it instead of a gunsmith; it's the same barrel, but having them do it was faster, cheaper, and kept all the liability under one roof so to speak. It turned out I did have a problem with my .358 (short throat) and they took care of it for free very quickly.
I'm sure the other major barrel makers are equally good.
-jeff
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I really like my Hart #5 chambered in 280AI. Super accurate and easy to keep clean.
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6ppcar":heku8ldy said:
I think you will really like the 280AI. Plenty of power, flat shooting and reat accuracy. The 160 gr AB is where she shines.
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