Damage control elk

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May 15, 2009
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Had a damage control cow tag that needed to be filled, so I headed home (Eastern Oregon) and went out with my Dad to see if we could get it done. First day we didn't see any elk other than a winter kill 6x6 bull. Talked to the rancher on the way out and he had seen a couple of elk on the other side of the ranch from where we had hunted that day. So we headed out there at first light the next morning. Sure enough we spotted one from the ranch road. I hopped out of the truck and scurried up a small bank. The elk that I had seen was trotting off but didn't seem too spooked. I moved left and right looking for more elk and found one standing broadside between 2 trees. It was uphill probably 20 degrees or so and about 240 yards. I had ranged the first elk from the truck at 267 so I had dialed my scope to 250 on the way up the bank. I sat down and pulled up on the elk between the 2 trees.....was about to touch it off when another cow walked behind her, so I waited for her to clear and BOOM...... Dad couldn't see the elk I was shooting at from where he was and with the recoil I couldn't recover fast enough to see if I had hit or missed. All I saw were elk running everywhere. I trudged up the hill and found where she was standing and soon found blood with some lung tissue in it. Then after about 10 yards there was a blood trail a blind man could follow.....and about 50 yards later there she was.

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Hanging weight dressed and skinned at the butchers was 266.

This was the first animal I've taken with the Berger VLD bullet. Hit right where I wanted to. About 4 inches behind the shoulder just below the mid-line of the chest. As far as bullet performance I have mixed reviews.....First, the entrance hole was as advertised. It hit a rib on the way in and pretty much was just a bullet diameter sized hole through the rib with no bloodshot on the entrance side. The near side lung had a about a quarter sized hole in it and the far side lung was for the most part the consistency of jello! It did a number on the off lung.... However it also did a lot more than that. According to Berger it should expend most of it's energy in the vitals and likely not exit. On the off side ribs it again hit a rib and there was about 2 1/2 inches of that rib that were just gone....and she apparently had her offside front leg back when I shot her because it also hit the back part of that front shoulder and exited through the far side leaving about a thumb sized hole in the skin. The bloodshot on the exit side was tremendous. We had to cut out a large portion of meat on that side which I wasn't too impressed with.

So, it would seem that the bullet performed as it was supposed to other than the penetration was greater than expected. Had the bullet expanded and done the type of damage that it did in the off side earlier in the vitals it would have probably been a bang flop. Now this was the 185 grain Berger out of my 300 H&H Mag at a MV of 2850.......so I'm thinking that the 168 grain shouldn't penetrate as far and may be a better choice in the future? I really like the accuracy I'm getting out of these and I like the concept of delayed expansion until it reaches the vitals, but I'm hoping to solve the huge amount of damage and subsequent blood shot meat on the exit side.

All in all it was a fun hunt. And although I've killed 17 elk this one was my first with one of my own handloads so it was still a special one to me.

Sorry for the bloody picture.....didn't think to get a picture of it until I had finished with the gutting chores.....

Regards,

Tim
 
Congratulations on your elk. Thanks for taking time to relate the performance of the VLD.
 
Wow, that is awesome. What a great way to test your handloads! There are a couple schools of thought, dump all the energy into the animal, and bullet pretty much disapears. The second is the bullet stays together a little more, does alot of damage and exits. I kinda go with the 2nd school a little more. I have used the AccuBond/Partition/TSX on elk, and my favorite so far is the Partition. It will open up very fast, creating a devastating wound channel, but it will also stay intact and more than likely exit. If it hit large bones, it will burrow through them on an off angle shot, and again, probably give a good blood trail.

I have 0 experience with the Bergers, and I am sure they are awesome, but I can't even imagine they will do any better than an AccuBond of Partition on elk. Deer, just about anything will do it, but a big, heavy boned bull woould be better served with a little tougher bullet, unless you are only going to take perfect broadside shots, and then, with the Bergers, you are going to have to contend with bloodshot meat either way.

I would bet with your reloading technique and a little time, you could get a 165-200gr AccuBond to shoot just as well, have just as much speed, plus have a pretty high BC-ed bullet that will take an elk without issue, at the off chance of steeper angle. Either way, your load works great, and maybe the bloodshot meat is just a by product of extreme organ damage and trauma, but as they say, you can't have your cake and eat it too. Although, I kinda think the AccuBond will give you alot of both, and hold together at the speeds you will push it with your H&H.

Great shot, and your rifle looks awesome. I am jealous you got kill an elk so soon. I am pretty sure the rest of wished we could hunt more big game this late! Congrats. Scotty
 
Congratulations! Pretty impressive performance from the Berger. I've shot three mule deer with a smaller .25 cal Berger, but haven't shot an elk with one yet. Still, I have to admit to a pretty fair amount of meat damage with those bullets...

Again, congrats on the elk! Should be good eating! :grin:
 
Nice shooting! Where were you at in eastern Or? I have been thinking about trying the VLD in my .243 with a doe tag this fall. I can't quite bring myself to try it on elk. I'm an AccuBond kinda guy.
 
Great shot and a fine animal to eat. That 300 H&H is just a classic amoung classics! I have to say that I too am an AccuBond, Partition, or E-tip guy as well. Sometimes though animals just do not always show the same results from the same kind of shot.

A few years back I shot a spike bull with my 30-06 and 165 gr Nosler Solid Base Boattail. The shot was right behind the shoulder about 1/3 of the way up from the bottom of the chest in the lungs. The bullet entered nicely and went through and exited with just a small exit hole as it expanded nicely and performed perfectly. The bull ran about 50 yards and dropped. When I skinned him out, you would have thought that he had been hit by a truck on the off side. Just by how he blead internally when he ran, his whole rib-cage area and behind the off shoulder was a total bloodshot mess. I lost a lot of meat because of it, but it was not the bullets fault. It did a great job as far as I could determine and held together well. Sometimes it just happens!

Great elk!
 
Jmad,

I was in the John Day area. That's where I'm originally from.

I've always been a "traditional" bullet user for game such as the speer grandslam or partitions but I thought I'd try something new. I have shot a few of the accubonds but haven't taken any game with them. I had a few bad experiences with using ballistic tips for deer so I was hesitant to use the AccuBond but it sounds like they hold together much better than their predecessor.

And I suppose one example isn't a fair trial for the Bergers. I've had some extremely blood shot elk from the grandslams as well thinking back on it. Given the amount of trauma it caused to the lungs I'm sure a lot of the blood on the off side was blood exiting the chest cavity. It just caught me off guard because I wasn't expecting an exit from that bullet and it made an impressive exit wound!
 
You are right on, you can't really complain when a bullet puts game down like that. My Uncle who is an avid reloader, swears by Bergers in everything from a 243 to a 280 Rem. He only hunts deer, and absolutely likes the way the Bergers dump all of their energy internally and just drop deer. Nobody can really argue too much with their effectiveness, cause all bullets do odd stuff from time to time, but you have a very dead elk, with pinpoint bullet placement. It was a great shot you made, and with that kind of placement, any half way decent bullet would have had the same end result. I think you would really like the Accubonds in the 300. They are much tougher than a Ballistic Tip, and work very similar to the Partition. In all actuality I could shoot Accubonds in about everything I shoot and be happy. But, I like to try other stuff, once in awhile. Scotty
 
shoots5

I have got lots of experience with game and a couple of different bullets. The cow's reaction was fairly consistent with the shot you made. Thats a great place to put a bullet on any animal, if I was you I would try the Nosler Partition. I have seen lots of game taken with the GS but my trial with it resulted in lots of meat loss because I was pushing a .308, 180 past 3000fps, I think the GS holds together better at 06 velocities. I have also seen many,many elk shot with the 180 gr. Partition with excellent rusults and of course some meat loss but not at that range. Give them a try they are cheaper than the Bergers besides you only shoot a few each year anyway.

New guy on the forum old guy in the woods!!!!!!!! :grin:
 
Scotty

I sent you a note telling you I was on and wanting to see how long it took you to figure out my new handle. You beat me by hours. Your one up on me!!!!! Great forum I have lots to catch up on !!!!!! :grin:
 
Bill, I think you will see it is the best forum on the internet for Hunters, Reloaders and shooters. Great group of men. Scotty
 
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