Ridgerunner665
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- Oct 28, 2008
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If I ever "had" to use them...I think I'd want them lubricated (moly, HBN)...that would help with the 2 biggest down sides to mono bullets...fouling and pressure.
E-tip
- Thread starter trsmith1818
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Yeah, I would think if you start them at least .050 or maybe .1 off the rifling from the get go, you'll be in business alot quicker. I tried starting them closer and it was more of 00 buck patterns than actual groups.
The data looks pretty good, and I think you might have a little 4350 around...
Cartridge : .30-06 Spring. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 168, Nosler E-Tip 59415
Useable Case Capaci: 58.069 grain H2O = 3.770 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H4350
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 87 45.60 2296 1966 31873 7054 87.4 1.498
-18.0 89 46.74 2352 2064 34033 7281 88.7 1.457
-16.0 91 47.88 2409 2165 36346 7503 89.9 1.417
-14.0 94 49.02 2466 2268 38817 7718 91.1 1.376
-12.0 96 50.16 2522 2373 41463 7927 92.2 1.335
-10.0 98 51.30 2579 2481 44295 8127 93.2 1.295
-08.0 100 52.44 2636 2592 47334 8319 94.2 1.257
-06.0 102 53.58 2693 2705 50595 8501 95.1 1.220
-04.0 105 54.72 2750 2821 54095 8673 95.9 1.184
-02.0 107 55.86 2807 2939 57843 8833 96.7 1.150 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 109 57.00 2864 3059 61850 8982 97.3 1.117 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 111 58.14 2921 3182 66160 9118 98.0 1.085 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 113 59.28 2977 3307 70802 9240 98.5 1.054 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 115 60.42 3034 3434 75811 9348 98.9 1.024 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 118 61.56 3091 3563 81224 9441 99.3 0.995 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 120 62.70 3147 3695 87084 9519 99.6 0.967 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 109 57.00 2993 3341 73313 8880 99.9 1.041 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 109 57.00 2693 2706 50796 8669 91.1 1.215
Or Hunter..
Cartridge : .30-06 Spring. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 168, Nosler E-Tip 59415
Useable Case Capaci: 58.069 grain H2O = 3.770 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Ramshot Hunter
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 85 47.20 2319 2005 30327 7566 88.6 1.516
-18.0 88 48.38 2378 2110 32434 7815 90.0 1.474
-16.0 90 49.56 2438 2217 34694 8057 91.3 1.433
-14.0 92 50.74 2498 2327 37119 8290 92.5 1.394
-12.0 94 51.92 2558 2440 39727 8513 93.6 1.350
-10.0 96 53.10 2618 2557 42529 8725 94.7 1.308
-08.0 98 54.28 2678 2676 45548 8924 95.6 1.268
-06.0 100 55.46 2738 2797 48798 9110 96.5 1.229
-04.0 102 56.64 2799 2922 52308 9282 97.3 1.191
-02.0 105 57.82 2859 3049 56099 9439 98.0 1.155 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 107 59.00 2919 3178 60198 9579 98.6 1.120 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 109 60.18 2979 3310 64641 9702 99.1 1.086 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 111 61.36 3039 3445 69463 9807 99.5 1.053 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 113 62.54 3098 3581 74706 9893 99.7 1.022 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 115 63.72 3158 3720 80414 9958 99.9 0.991 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 117 64.90 3217 3861 86648 10003 100.0 0.961 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 107 59.00 3055 3482 73151 9300 100.0 1.037 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 107 59.00 2731 2782 48731 9323 92.6 1.228
RR665, I never noted anything more with fouling as I did with AB's or PT's. I think the copper used for the ET's is the same as the jacketing for the others.. Pressure wise, I can't really say, other than some have had great results with them..
The data looks pretty good, and I think you might have a little 4350 around...
Cartridge : .30-06 Spring. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 168, Nosler E-Tip 59415
Useable Case Capaci: 58.069 grain H2O = 3.770 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H4350
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 87 45.60 2296 1966 31873 7054 87.4 1.498
-18.0 89 46.74 2352 2064 34033 7281 88.7 1.457
-16.0 91 47.88 2409 2165 36346 7503 89.9 1.417
-14.0 94 49.02 2466 2268 38817 7718 91.1 1.376
-12.0 96 50.16 2522 2373 41463 7927 92.2 1.335
-10.0 98 51.30 2579 2481 44295 8127 93.2 1.295
-08.0 100 52.44 2636 2592 47334 8319 94.2 1.257
-06.0 102 53.58 2693 2705 50595 8501 95.1 1.220
-04.0 105 54.72 2750 2821 54095 8673 95.9 1.184
-02.0 107 55.86 2807 2939 57843 8833 96.7 1.150 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 109 57.00 2864 3059 61850 8982 97.3 1.117 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 111 58.14 2921 3182 66160 9118 98.0 1.085 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 113 59.28 2977 3307 70802 9240 98.5 1.054 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 115 60.42 3034 3434 75811 9348 98.9 1.024 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 118 61.56 3091 3563 81224 9441 99.3 0.995 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 120 62.70 3147 3695 87084 9519 99.6 0.967 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 109 57.00 2993 3341 73313 8880 99.9 1.041 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 109 57.00 2693 2706 50796 8669 91.1 1.215
Or Hunter..
Cartridge : .30-06 Spring. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 168, Nosler E-Tip 59415
Useable Case Capaci: 58.069 grain H2O = 3.770 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Ramshot Hunter
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 85 47.20 2319 2005 30327 7566 88.6 1.516
-18.0 88 48.38 2378 2110 32434 7815 90.0 1.474
-16.0 90 49.56 2438 2217 34694 8057 91.3 1.433
-14.0 92 50.74 2498 2327 37119 8290 92.5 1.394
-12.0 94 51.92 2558 2440 39727 8513 93.6 1.350
-10.0 96 53.10 2618 2557 42529 8725 94.7 1.308
-08.0 98 54.28 2678 2676 45548 8924 95.6 1.268
-06.0 100 55.46 2738 2797 48798 9110 96.5 1.229
-04.0 102 56.64 2799 2922 52308 9282 97.3 1.191
-02.0 105 57.82 2859 3049 56099 9439 98.0 1.155 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 107 59.00 2919 3178 60198 9579 98.6 1.120 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 109 60.18 2979 3310 64641 9702 99.1 1.086 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 111 61.36 3039 3445 69463 9807 99.5 1.053 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 113 62.54 3098 3581 74706 9893 99.7 1.022 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 115 63.72 3158 3720 80414 9958 99.9 0.991 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 117 64.90 3217 3861 86648 10003 100.0 0.961 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 107 59.00 3055 3482 73151 9300 100.0 1.037 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 107 59.00 2731 2782 48731 9323 92.6 1.228
RR665, I never noted anything more with fouling as I did with AB's or PT's. I think the copper used for the ET's is the same as the jacketing for the others.. Pressure wise, I can't really say, other than some have had great results with them..
Ridgerunner665
Handloader
- Oct 28, 2008
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Yeah, it is guilding metal (5 percent zinc)...same as the jackets on the other bullets...I just figure that making them a little slicker couldn't hurt....might be of some use to someone.
I haven't used E-Tips...but did have a short affair with Barnes bullets in 223 and 243.
I haven't used E-Tips...but did have a short affair with Barnes bullets in 223 and 243.
Ridgerunner665":2hst9vuk said:
Got ya.. I ran a few TSX's in the past and they shot well, but yeah, the fouled like crazy too.
As much as I'd like to try them, I really like a whole bunch of lead bullets too... I believe, unless I was forced to hunt with them, I'd probably stay away.. Guy brings up a great point about the West going lead free though, one of my favorite elk hunts is in Oregon, if they go lead free I'll need Nosler to start making some 225 ET's for my 35 Newton.... :lol:
Ridgerunner665
Handloader
- Oct 28, 2008
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Can you get the Winchester version (Lubalox coated) as a component?
DrMike
Ballistician
- Nov 8, 2006
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I've worked up loads with both the E-Tip and TSX in quite a variety of rifles. One finding seems pretty consistent--they do like lots of jump. About one hundredth inch (0.100") off the lands appears to be a fairly consistent requirement for accuracy. Hornady technicians tell me that the GMX doesn't require as much jump. I've never had as much success with accuracy with the GMX. I must question whether I might not find greater accuracy with more of a jump. I shot Fail Safe bullets in both my 7RM and my 300WSM for some years. I'm not convinced that the Lubalox coating was necessary. I've never encountered excessive fouling when shooting TSX or E-Tips. Clean up was not terrible. I assumed that it would require somewhat aggressive cleaning and used either CR10 or Sweets 7.62 (Sweets doesn't darken the bore on stainless barrels, whereas CR10 can darken the bore).
- Oct 30, 2004
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What do they do at 1900 fps impact though?
FOTIS":p0jxc1a5 said:
That's about 550 yards if you start them 2850 FPS (sounds like a typical 06 load). I'd like to know what they do out that far as well. David has some 6mm ET's he recovered from 400 or 500 in the bullet test section, might be a decent indicator.
- Oct 30, 2004
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Cool I will take a look
