Fail safe data
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DrMike
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- Nov 8, 2006
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Apolonius,
Welcome to the forum. What powders do you commonly have available? Here are some powders to consider; theses were generated from QuickLOAD.
Cartridge : .30-06 Spring. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 180, CT FailSafe 53180
Useable Case Capaci: 59.452 grain H2O = 3.860 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 52500 psi, or 361 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 109 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Norma MRP 105.3 60.2 3.90 2722 96.5 52500 11374 1.160 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 106.6 59.7 3.87 2692 92.3 52500 11220 1.161 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 107.0 59.3 3.84 2687 94.9 52500 11002 1.164 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 107.0 59.3 3.84 2687 94.9 52500 11002 1.164 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15 107.0 59.3 3.84 2687 94.9 52500 11002 1.164 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365 101.1 55.1 3.57 2685 100.0 52500 9910 1.171 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 107.3 62.5 4.05 2681 90.3 52500 11184 1.165 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum (Big Boy) 109.0 64.0 4.14 2668 92.7 52403 11070 1.158 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 104.8 59.0 3.82 2666 92.5 52500 10829 1.157 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR 109.0 59.1 3.83 2661 94.3 51086 10904 1.179 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12 109.0 63.8 4.13 2660 92.6 51917 11024 1.162 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517 109.0 63.8 4.13 2654 92.4 51639 11010 1.165 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 98.6 55.8 3.61 2654 97.6 52500 10335 1.171 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213 105.5 58.4 3.79 2651 92.3 52500 10679 1.158 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905 108.0 58.8 3.81 2643 92.3 52500 10511 1.168 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 92.8 53.8 3.49 2642 96.7 52500 10260 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 92.8 53.8 3.49 2642 96.7 52500 10260 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 102.9 56.4 3.66 2641 94.7 52500 10392 1.168 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 97.9 53.1 3.44 2640 98.9 52500 10027 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 97.9 53.1 3.44 2640 98.9 52500 10025 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 101.9 53.4 3.46 2639 99.0 52500 10056 1.198 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 94.9 53.1 3.44 2637 98.8 52500 10114 1.187 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 102.2 55.7 3.61 2636 94.4 52500 10291 1.162 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 103.7 56.8 3.68 2635 94.7 52500 10314 1.169 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 102.8 53.9 3.50 2625 99.0 52500 9844 1.190 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 104.3 53.4 3.46 2620 99.8 52500 9366 1.175 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 100.7 55.2 3.57 2617 94.4 52500 10082 1.171 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 97.5 55.2 3.57 2617 94.4 52500 10082 1.171 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4 100.7 55.2 3.57 2617 94.4 52500 10082 1.171 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385 103.3 57.2 3.71 2613 95.9 52500 10055 1.189 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 2214 109.0 62.0 4.02 2610 91.6 51609 10465 1.168 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation 108.9 60.8 3.94 2609 89.4 52500 10310 1.165 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 108.2 57.6 3.74 2603 91.8 52500 10035 1.168 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC 104.1 57.6 3.74 2603 91.8 52500 10035 1.168 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation 98.2 54.6 3.54 2602 96.3 52500 9865 1.185 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165 108.9 59.0 3.83 2600 95.3 52500 9784 1.175 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 90.3 50.0 3.24 2598 99.9 52500 9369 1.206 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 101.7 58.8 3.81 2598 94.4 52500 9869 1.172 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903 92.4 50.1 3.24 2592 99.9 52500 9297 1.206 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex-S0701 97.0 52.6 3.41 2586 96.9 52500 9710 1.198 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355 92.2 49.4 3.20 2585 99.8 52500 9265 1.202 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904 101.1 54.7 3.54 2581 93.1 52500 9718 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex-S0651 95.7 51.3 3.32 2569 97.9 52500 9416 1.201 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 93.7 48.0 3.11 2568 100.0 52500 8725 1.231 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160 108.1 56.8 3.68 2568 92.9 52500 9546 1.178 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907 94.5 50.8 3.29 2561 96.0 52500 9449 1.196 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 91.5 50.9 3.30 2560 96.0 52500 9443 1.196 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S361 100.1 58.5 3.79 2548 91.9 52500 9476 1.190 ! Near Maximum !
Welcome to the forum. What powders do you commonly have available? Here are some powders to consider; theses were generated from QuickLOAD.
Cartridge : .30-06 Spring. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 180, CT FailSafe 53180
Useable Case Capaci: 59.452 grain H2O = 3.860 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 52500 psi, or 361 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 109 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Norma MRP 105.3 60.2 3.90 2722 96.5 52500 11374 1.160 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 106.6 59.7 3.87 2692 92.3 52500 11220 1.161 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 107.0 59.3 3.84 2687 94.9 52500 11002 1.164 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 107.0 59.3 3.84 2687 94.9 52500 11002 1.164 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15 107.0 59.3 3.84 2687 94.9 52500 11002 1.164 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365 101.1 55.1 3.57 2685 100.0 52500 9910 1.171 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 107.3 62.5 4.05 2681 90.3 52500 11184 1.165 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum (Big Boy) 109.0 64.0 4.14 2668 92.7 52403 11070 1.158 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 104.8 59.0 3.82 2666 92.5 52500 10829 1.157 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR 109.0 59.1 3.83 2661 94.3 51086 10904 1.179 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12 109.0 63.8 4.13 2660 92.6 51917 11024 1.162 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517 109.0 63.8 4.13 2654 92.4 51639 11010 1.165 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 98.6 55.8 3.61 2654 97.6 52500 10335 1.171 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213 105.5 58.4 3.79 2651 92.3 52500 10679 1.158 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905 108.0 58.8 3.81 2643 92.3 52500 10511 1.168 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 92.8 53.8 3.49 2642 96.7 52500 10260 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 92.8 53.8 3.49 2642 96.7 52500 10260 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 102.9 56.4 3.66 2641 94.7 52500 10392 1.168 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 97.9 53.1 3.44 2640 98.9 52500 10027 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 97.9 53.1 3.44 2640 98.9 52500 10025 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 101.9 53.4 3.46 2639 99.0 52500 10056 1.198 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 94.9 53.1 3.44 2637 98.8 52500 10114 1.187 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 102.2 55.7 3.61 2636 94.4 52500 10291 1.162 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 103.7 56.8 3.68 2635 94.7 52500 10314 1.169 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 102.8 53.9 3.50 2625 99.0 52500 9844 1.190 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 104.3 53.4 3.46 2620 99.8 52500 9366 1.175 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 100.7 55.2 3.57 2617 94.4 52500 10082 1.171 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 97.5 55.2 3.57 2617 94.4 52500 10082 1.171 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4 100.7 55.2 3.57 2617 94.4 52500 10082 1.171 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385 103.3 57.2 3.71 2613 95.9 52500 10055 1.189 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 2214 109.0 62.0 4.02 2610 91.6 51609 10465 1.168 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation 108.9 60.8 3.94 2609 89.4 52500 10310 1.165 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 108.2 57.6 3.74 2603 91.8 52500 10035 1.168 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC 104.1 57.6 3.74 2603 91.8 52500 10035 1.168 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation 98.2 54.6 3.54 2602 96.3 52500 9865 1.185 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165 108.9 59.0 3.83 2600 95.3 52500 9784 1.175 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 90.3 50.0 3.24 2598 99.9 52500 9369 1.206 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 101.7 58.8 3.81 2598 94.4 52500 9869 1.172 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903 92.4 50.1 3.24 2592 99.9 52500 9297 1.206 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex-S0701 97.0 52.6 3.41 2586 96.9 52500 9710 1.198 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355 92.2 49.4 3.20 2585 99.8 52500 9265 1.202 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904 101.1 54.7 3.54 2581 93.1 52500 9718 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex-S0651 95.7 51.3 3.32 2569 97.9 52500 9416 1.201 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 93.7 48.0 3.11 2568 100.0 52500 8725 1.231 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160 108.1 56.8 3.68 2568 92.9 52500 9546 1.178 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907 94.5 50.8 3.29 2561 96.0 52500 9449 1.196 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 91.5 50.9 3.30 2560 96.0 52500 9443 1.196 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S361 100.1 58.5 3.79 2548 91.9 52500 9476 1.190 ! Near Maximum !
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Welcome to the forum.
The man thing since you're new to the forum is learning to tell the high pressure signs. Once you do that then you can start at the minimum recommended charge and slowly work up.
The man thing since you're new to the forum is learning to tell the high pressure signs. Once you do that then you can start at the minimum recommended charge and slowly work up.
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Hi It is me again.With more questions.When a reloading data says C.O.L lets say 3.300" as a maximum.Is there a minimum?And why say the factory Winchester Supreme-fail safe 180 grain on 30-06 callibre is c.o.l 3.084".I do have a few in new boxes and i know this to be true.And they are very accurate.I use my Remington 700 BDL and they perform very good and they are deadly.And factory Remington same weight same callibre c.o.l is 3.220".I realise that i have to find the c.o.l for my gun by myself.But why with such a difference in c.o.l and the gun performs as good.Nosler book #6 gives as C.O.L for the same "type" of bullet 3.340".Is there a factor i need to know??I use Hodgdon powders and their data says c.o.l 3.300".And i do appreciate everyones help.
DrMike
Ballistician
- Nov 8, 2006
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Apolonius,
There are two measurements that will become apparent as you load. The SAAMI (or CIP) OAL is stated as that which was presented by the firm that developed the round, submitting it to the regulating agency. This is the standard that is set for the round. However, because differing bullets are seated to different depths, and because chambers are sometimes cut out of spec, you will need a measurement for your own rifle. The various bullet/powder manufacturers provide a COL (also known as OAL) based on their own tests. This measurement gave the best results with the particular bullet/platform combination used. Generally, if you are using the data provided by such a guide, you can load to that particular OAL and the cartridge will fit your chamber. However, for accuracy sake, you may want to measure OAL for your rifle. Information for determining a more precise OAL is given in the Nosler No. 6 guide on page 43.
There are two measurements that will become apparent as you load. The SAAMI (or CIP) OAL is stated as that which was presented by the firm that developed the round, submitting it to the regulating agency. This is the standard that is set for the round. However, because differing bullets are seated to different depths, and because chambers are sometimes cut out of spec, you will need a measurement for your own rifle. The various bullet/powder manufacturers provide a COL (also known as OAL) based on their own tests. This measurement gave the best results with the particular bullet/platform combination used. Generally, if you are using the data provided by such a guide, you can load to that particular OAL and the cartridge will fit your chamber. However, for accuracy sake, you may want to measure OAL for your rifle. Information for determining a more precise OAL is given in the Nosler No. 6 guide on page 43.
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DrMike
Ballistician
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I think you are in the company of fellows who want to do better on this forum, which makes it such a delightful place to hang out. Nobody here is so arrogant to imagine that they are delivering dicta from atop Mount Olympus, but rather they seek to learn all they can to be better hunters and riflemen.
Alaska
Handloader
- Aug 20, 2006
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30-06
180gr FS and 165gr FS
Factory load is 3.290”
180gr FS and 165gr FS
Factory load is 3.290”
FYI, this thread is 15 years old. I figure he got his load worked out by now, lol.
