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270 weatherby. :mrgreen:
130 accubonds at 3450 fps. Not too shabby.
130 accubonds at 3450 fps. Not too shabby.
Here she is. Not a 6.5mm but close!!!!!!
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DrMike
Ballistician
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Always interesting to see your trades, Fotis. Good looking rifle. What are you planning to use for glass?
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Nice find, POP! I've got her twin in blued steel, and you know I love her!
HeathSexton
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I have the exact same rifle in .300Wby, I hope your's shoots better than mine.
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Heath, I'm curious, as I have a stainless synthetic in 300Wby as well. What problems are you having with yours shooting? I've found a few good loads in cursory workups just shooting three shot groups for pressure/velocity testing. I got two sub-1" groups with 180gr Hornady SST's (would shoot Interbonds at game) but I can't remember right now if it was H1000 or IMR7828 under them. Still need to do more testing and workup on that one...and a bunch of others.
What are you seeing with yours? Since you're in the Knoxville area (I think?) maybe we can catch a weekend somewhere (I'm in Huntsville) and wring them out together to see what we find?
What are you seeing with yours? Since you're in the Knoxville area (I think?) maybe we can catch a weekend somewhere (I'm in Huntsville) and wring them out together to see what we find?
HeathSexton
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- May 12, 2006
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dubyam, I'm seeing about 4"-6" vertical strings. I tried 180NBT's with IMR7828, CCI250's and Fed 215's in Weatherby brass. Leupold bases and rings, vari-XIII 6.5-20 scope.
I live in Oneida, about 60miles North of knoxville. You in Huntsville, TN or AL?
I live in Oneida, about 60miles North of knoxville. You in Huntsville, TN or AL?
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Huntsville, AL, Heath. It's a trek - about 4.5hrs - between us. I was thinking you were southwest of Knoxville for some reason. Anyway, I'd look first at three things:
1. How you rest the rifle. I've found with these tupperware stocks, any variation in pressure on the forearm will vary point of impact. I rest mine literally on the front action screw, to exert as little forearm pressure as I can. It makes for a steady and compact hold, so it works for me.
2. Screws - Are all your screws properly torqued? I just run my action screws in hand tight and then firm them with a screwdriver. Nothing over-tight. Just tight enough not to work loose. That seems to be helpful for these tupperware stocks, as well. Also, check your scope mount screws and ring screws.
3. Scope. I know it's not kosher to say this, but I've seen a number of Leupold scopes crap out right out of the box over the last few years. They usually do more than vertically string, but if you have a different scope you know is good, swap it on and see.
You might also check the crown, but it sounds like you've got a consistent problem, which generally won't happen with a crown flaw. Those, in my experience, go a little haywire and end up more than just vertically strung.
As a last resort, you could sand out the pressure points and be sure to fully float the barrel in that tupperware stock. I'd be willing to bet the vertical stringing is related to #1 above - forearm pressure. You'll still have variable pressure due to flex in the forearm, but you might float it out enough that you can have the flex without the pressure. Of course, for $250 you can restock it with a B&C Medalist. That's what I'm saving up for - for both of mine.
1. How you rest the rifle. I've found with these tupperware stocks, any variation in pressure on the forearm will vary point of impact. I rest mine literally on the front action screw, to exert as little forearm pressure as I can. It makes for a steady and compact hold, so it works for me.
2. Screws - Are all your screws properly torqued? I just run my action screws in hand tight and then firm them with a screwdriver. Nothing over-tight. Just tight enough not to work loose. That seems to be helpful for these tupperware stocks, as well. Also, check your scope mount screws and ring screws.
3. Scope. I know it's not kosher to say this, but I've seen a number of Leupold scopes crap out right out of the box over the last few years. They usually do more than vertically string, but if you have a different scope you know is good, swap it on and see.
You might also check the crown, but it sounds like you've got a consistent problem, which generally won't happen with a crown flaw. Those, in my experience, go a little haywire and end up more than just vertically strung.
As a last resort, you could sand out the pressure points and be sure to fully float the barrel in that tupperware stock. I'd be willing to bet the vertical stringing is related to #1 above - forearm pressure. You'll still have variable pressure due to flex in the forearm, but you might float it out enough that you can have the flex without the pressure. Of course, for $250 you can restock it with a B&C Medalist. That's what I'm saving up for - for both of mine.
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POP - sorry for hijacking your thread, btw.
HeathSexton":2wagmyk7 said:
Dang Heath! I am sure that new Winchester will redeem your faith in the 300's! I know how those dang Weatherbys are all over the map!!!
Just messing with you Dubyam! Knowing now, about how easy pillars and bedding are to do, as soon as I get things like this (vertical stringing), I almost will always bed them right off. Not worth blowing powder and bullets chasing something so easily fixed. Not sure how well made the Weatherby plastics are but your right, the B&C Medalists or better take alot of stress out of tuning these rifles. Scotty
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4x12 Leupy..... :mrgreen:DrMike":1wz9350n said:
remingtonman_25_06
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270 Bee is a dang good cartridge...
Pretty under rated round IMO. Nothing wrong with 270s of any kind, especially the BEE, kill anything short of grizz pretty darn good with 140-150s out there aways.
Pretty under rated round IMO. Nothing wrong with 270s of any kind, especially the BEE, kill anything short of grizz pretty darn good with 140-150s out there aways.
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Cartridge : .270 Weath. Mag.
Bullet : .277, 140, Nosler PART SP 35200
Useable Case Capaci: 75.224 grain H2O = 4.884 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.295 inch = 83.69 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 64000 psi, or 441 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
157 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Vihtavuori N570 108.0 78.9 5.12 3385 97.5 64000 15042 1.174 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2218 110.0 81.3 5.27 3329 96.9 60409 15128 1.186
Norma MRP 2 107.1 74.3 4.81 3316 99.8 64000 13539 1.188 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum (Big Boy) 101.4 75.3 4.88 3316 99.9 64000 13302 1.172 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 99.0 70.2 4.55 3315 99.4 64000 13599 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517 101.8 75.3 4.88 3315 99.9 64000 13291 1.172 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12 101.6 75.2 4.87 3314 99.9 64000 13262 1.172 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 97.2 70.3 4.56 3309 100.0 64000 13070 1.184 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 99.3 73.2 4.74 3307 98.7 64000 13728 1.184 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25 104.9 72.4 4.69 3306 100.0 64000 12562 1.175 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 103.5 69.8 4.52 3306 99.7 64000 13162 1.166 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 97.9 69.8 4.52 3306 99.7 64000 13162 1.166 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Retumbo 110.0 76.7 4.97 3294 100.0 60183 13169 1.200
ADI AR 2213 99.0 69.4 4.50 3294 99.6 64000 13068 1.163 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 2214 102.9 74.0 4.80 3291 99.8 64000 12860 1.162 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H1000 108.2 74.2 4.81 3288 99.8 64000 12822 1.162 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 99.3 69.6 4.51 3286 100.0 64000 12983 1.182 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15 99.3 69.6 4.51 3286 100.0 64000 12983 1.182 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 99.3 69.6 4.51 3286 100.0 64000 12983 1.182 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR 102.0 70.0 4.53 3285 99.9 64000 13006 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905 100.7 69.3 4.49 3258 99.4 64000 12791 1.181 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori 24N41 110.0 81.3 5.27 3250 91.9 63535 13558 1.172 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 96.0 66.2 4.29 3248 99.9 64000 12373 1.169 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 96.5 67.0 4.34 3245 99.9 64000 12427 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 97.3 67.4 4.37 3238 99.9 64000 12340 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350 92.0 63.4 4.11 3230 100.0 64000 11755 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 92.2 66.0 4.28 3229 100.0 64000 11909 1.184 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC 97.8 68.6 4.44 3225 99.2 64000 12377 1.174 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 101.8 68.6 4.44 3225 99.2 64000 12377 1.174 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 94.7 65.7 4.26 3223 99.9 64000 12148 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4 94.7 65.7 4.26 3223 99.9 64000 12148 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 91.7 65.7 4.26 3223 99.9 64000 12148 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350 94.4 62.7 4.06 3222 100.0 64000 11747 1.178 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 91.7 62.9 4.08 3202 100.0 64000 11426 1.190 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 91.8 63.0 4.08 3202 100.0 64000 11423 1.190 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385 96.7 67.8 4.39 3201 100.0 64000 11809 1.197 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H870 110.0 78.8 5.10 3200 97.3 54457 14078 1.267
Rottweil R904 95.7 65.4 4.24 3198 99.6 64000 11927 1.175 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 94.9 63.0 4.08 3196 100.0 64000 11374 1.208 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365 93.3 64.3 4.17 3194 100.0 64000 11069 1.199 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 95.3 69.7 4.52 3194 99.9 64000 11817 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165 101.8 69.8 4.52 3186 100.0 64000 11558 1.188 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 96.2 63.9 4.14 3182 100.0 64000 11175 1.199 ! Near Maximum !
Bullet : .277, 140, Nosler PART SP 35200
Useable Case Capaci: 75.224 grain H2O = 4.884 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.295 inch = 83.69 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 64000 psi, or 441 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
157 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Vihtavuori N570 108.0 78.9 5.12 3385 97.5 64000 15042 1.174 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2218 110.0 81.3 5.27 3329 96.9 60409 15128 1.186
Norma MRP 2 107.1 74.3 4.81 3316 99.8 64000 13539 1.188 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum (Big Boy) 101.4 75.3 4.88 3316 99.9 64000 13302 1.172 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 99.0 70.2 4.55 3315 99.4 64000 13599 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517 101.8 75.3 4.88 3315 99.9 64000 13291 1.172 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12 101.6 75.2 4.87 3314 99.9 64000 13262 1.172 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 97.2 70.3 4.56 3309 100.0 64000 13070 1.184 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 99.3 73.2 4.74 3307 98.7 64000 13728 1.184 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25 104.9 72.4 4.69 3306 100.0 64000 12562 1.175 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 103.5 69.8 4.52 3306 99.7 64000 13162 1.166 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 97.9 69.8 4.52 3306 99.7 64000 13162 1.166 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Retumbo 110.0 76.7 4.97 3294 100.0 60183 13169 1.200
ADI AR 2213 99.0 69.4 4.50 3294 99.6 64000 13068 1.163 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 2214 102.9 74.0 4.80 3291 99.8 64000 12860 1.162 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H1000 108.2 74.2 4.81 3288 99.8 64000 12822 1.162 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 99.3 69.6 4.51 3286 100.0 64000 12983 1.182 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15 99.3 69.6 4.51 3286 100.0 64000 12983 1.182 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 99.3 69.6 4.51 3286 100.0 64000 12983 1.182 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR 102.0 70.0 4.53 3285 99.9 64000 13006 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905 100.7 69.3 4.49 3258 99.4 64000 12791 1.181 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori 24N41 110.0 81.3 5.27 3250 91.9 63535 13558 1.172 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 96.0 66.2 4.29 3248 99.9 64000 12373 1.169 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 96.5 67.0 4.34 3245 99.9 64000 12427 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 97.3 67.4 4.37 3238 99.9 64000 12340 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350 92.0 63.4 4.11 3230 100.0 64000 11755 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 92.2 66.0 4.28 3229 100.0 64000 11909 1.184 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC 97.8 68.6 4.44 3225 99.2 64000 12377 1.174 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 101.8 68.6 4.44 3225 99.2 64000 12377 1.174 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 94.7 65.7 4.26 3223 99.9 64000 12148 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4 94.7 65.7 4.26 3223 99.9 64000 12148 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 91.7 65.7 4.26 3223 99.9 64000 12148 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350 94.4 62.7 4.06 3222 100.0 64000 11747 1.178 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 91.7 62.9 4.08 3202 100.0 64000 11426 1.190 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 91.8 63.0 4.08 3202 100.0 64000 11423 1.190 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385 96.7 67.8 4.39 3201 100.0 64000 11809 1.197 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H870 110.0 78.8 5.10 3200 97.3 54457 14078 1.267
Rottweil R904 95.7 65.4 4.24 3198 99.6 64000 11927 1.175 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 94.9 63.0 4.08 3196 100.0 64000 11374 1.208 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365 93.3 64.3 4.17 3194 100.0 64000 11069 1.199 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 95.3 69.7 4.52 3194 99.9 64000 11817 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165 101.8 69.8 4.52 3186 100.0 64000 11558 1.188 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 96.2 63.9 4.14 3182 100.0 64000 11175 1.199 ! Near Maximum !
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Fotis,
Nice find! That should make for some really good speed goat medicine. Congratulations buddy!
JD338
Nice find! That should make for some really good speed goat medicine. Congratulations buddy!
JD338
Ridge_Runner
Handloader
- Sep 29, 2006
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you'll like it, have one in a ruger #1B that I bought in '92, great deer rifles to 500 yards.
RR
RR
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Great, can not wait for the range report!
