wisconsinteacher
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It is not a rifle but he shoots faster than I can!!!!
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Oldtrader3
Ammo Smith
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I saw him on TV last weekend. He is pretty incredible!
tddeangelo
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- May 18, 2011
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I'm not sure what I think of this. There is a "rebuttal" out there taking issue with his narrative on the video, and I find a lot of truth to the rebuttal, to be honest. Some points made are:
-he's not shooting a war bow as witnessed by shallow penetration on targets and ease of draw. So a focus on "combat" techniques with a non-combat weapon seems odd.
-back quivers are not a Hollywood invention as the narration claims. Plenty of documentation to support their use historically.
-how did the Saracens time their archers to know they could shoot three arrows in 1.5 seconds?
There's more, but you get the idea.
He is a fantastic trick shooter, if nothing else. I'm just not quite on board with the premise of the video.
-he's not shooting a war bow as witnessed by shallow penetration on targets and ease of draw. So a focus on "combat" techniques with a non-combat weapon seems odd.
-back quivers are not a Hollywood invention as the narration claims. Plenty of documentation to support their use historically.
-how did the Saracens time their archers to know they could shoot three arrows in 1.5 seconds?
There's more, but you get the idea.
He is a fantastic trick shooter, if nothing else. I'm just not quite on board with the premise of the video.
Oldtrader3
Ammo Smith
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Tom, they timed it with sun dials, of course!
Darkhorse
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I killed my first deer (doe) with a recurve at 16. This was way before compounds. I bow hunted from the late 60's to into the 90's (compounds) and those years of experience just makes this guy look real impressive to me.
There will always be rebuttal and worse yet, denial, from jealous souls.
I can't measure penetration but I can see those arrows are moving very fast and hitting the target butts with force. Plenty of power with broadheads off horseback.
I have read that many native americans used low powered war bows off horseback. This is not the same bow they used for Bison hunts.
The Mongol's were also said to be among the best and fastest with the war bow off horseback.
I think this basic method was developed initially for fighting off horseback and from a chariot at speed. Seems to work well dismounted also.
Trouble is, while some descriptions of these feats exist the actual techniques have vanished with time, so the only recourse is detective work and then putting it into practice. I thought this guy did it all real well.
The british longbow is a different type weapon developed for standing columns of archers against more advanced armor and more power is required. I have read that many bows pulled in excess of 100 lbs. and were accurate in the right hands to 100 yards or more. But try shooting these off a galloping horse and see what happens.
Most likely this guy would be considered average back in the day.
The application of time (1.5 seconds or so) is a way to allow the modern day person to relate to the speed of shooting multiple arrows. I like the more modern descriptions of the Plains indians shooting 3 arrows before the first hit the target. All the while hanging off the farside of his war pony and shooting underneath it's neck.
And as far as backquivers being a hollywood invention, I guess none of those guys have ever been to a Native American museum.
I think I'll watch it again. I liked it.
There will always be rebuttal and worse yet, denial, from jealous souls.
I can't measure penetration but I can see those arrows are moving very fast and hitting the target butts with force. Plenty of power with broadheads off horseback.
I have read that many native americans used low powered war bows off horseback. This is not the same bow they used for Bison hunts.
The Mongol's were also said to be among the best and fastest with the war bow off horseback.
I think this basic method was developed initially for fighting off horseback and from a chariot at speed. Seems to work well dismounted also.
Trouble is, while some descriptions of these feats exist the actual techniques have vanished with time, so the only recourse is detective work and then putting it into practice. I thought this guy did it all real well.
The british longbow is a different type weapon developed for standing columns of archers against more advanced armor and more power is required. I have read that many bows pulled in excess of 100 lbs. and were accurate in the right hands to 100 yards or more. But try shooting these off a galloping horse and see what happens.
Most likely this guy would be considered average back in the day.
The application of time (1.5 seconds or so) is a way to allow the modern day person to relate to the speed of shooting multiple arrows. I like the more modern descriptions of the Plains indians shooting 3 arrows before the first hit the target. All the while hanging off the farside of his war pony and shooting underneath it's neck.
And as far as backquivers being a hollywood invention, I guess none of those guys have ever been to a Native American museum.
I think I'll watch it again. I liked it.
