King of the .30's

[alaska100]

Ajvigs

Find one and chamber a couple of rounds. That may, all by itself, sell you on the 300 H & H. It is one of the most reliable and smoothest feeding rounds I have used. After we moved my wife wanted to get something besides her 30-06 and A suggested a build using a pre 64 model 70 with a 26 inch barrel. We then put our uncle to work, who is the reloading guru in the family and he has that gun shooting with the 300 win mag and just a hair behind the 300 Weatherby. But as has been mentioned, they are not as easy to find as a 300 WM, WSM, or WEA.

Vince, for what it is worth the loading manuals don't do it justice, but I understand what you are saying.

Terry, Nice!

 

[ajvigs]

I must say I have now been researching this H&H Mag! It has me very intrigued.

I have also been looking at the ballistics of each round. It seems that youre gaining more FPS when stepping up to the magnums for the cost of more recoil...

If shots were all within 400 yards and under, I am thinking that the good old 30-06 will do...plus ammo is everywhere...

Still researching as much as I can and listening to all of your input. I really appreciate it. You ladies and gents really do know your stuff!

 

[Osprey78]

Mark me down for another vote on the 300 WM. I have one and have found that it covers all I need for a hunting application. I load 1800 gr TTSX's into it and find that they a great on anything from deer to black bear. In this area there are a tonne of elk and although I have yet to bring an elk or moose down (just never shot at one yet with it), I know of guys that have with the same calibre and weight of bullet. It is effective on those animals as well.

The 300 is great for long range. At 500 yards I am only dropping 49" with 1610 ftlbs. Even at 800 although the drop is 174" there is still 966 ftlbs.

Now granted, i have never shot anything out there before, and by today's standards, it probably isn't that long range, but you get the picture.

It kicks, but, when do you ever feel recoil on a hunt?

 

[6mm Remington]

Aleena I worked with a fellow who hunted with an old pre-64 Winchester Model 70. It was a sweet rifle and he used it very effectively. I too feel the 300 H&H should not be forgotten. It's a great cartridge that started this whole magnum craze in the first place.

When Ben Comfort won the Wimbledon 1000 yard competition in 1937 with a 300 H&H it really got people excited in this new beast!! Many people know this story, but how many know that a 30-06 shot by a fellow actually tied with Mr. Comfort. See two of the best right there and still doing it in style!!

 

[DrMike]

Osprey,

The 180 grain TTSX is more than sufficient to drop elk when launched from a 300 WM. I dropped more than a few moose and several elk with the 180 grain TSX launched from a 300 WSM. None ever bounced back up.

 

[Oldtrader3]

ajvigs

I have received several requests to share my thoughts with you on this thread.

Over the years while hunting with my grandfather, father and husband, I have had the opportunity to use the 30-06, 300 Savage, 303, 308, 300 WM, 300 WSM, 300 Wea, 300 ultra, and the 300 H & H

The 300 H & H has hunted with me in Africa, Alaska, Canada, Argentina, Russia, New Zealand and Europe. To date it has not let me down regardless of the weather conditions or animal sought.

the plus's

efficient powder burner
Very smooth feeding
operating pressure: eliminates problems when hunting equator countries, gives one better case life, barrel life,
less recoil

The negatives:

longer action required ( I prefer the pre 64 model 70 )
few production models
more weight, ( length and weight can be reduced if you can find a Ruger 1 A)

you should not belief the published data about the 300 H & H. If you reload you will be right on the heels of the Win and Wea mag's

I did not just wake up one morning and say the 300 H & H is the best 30 something caliber for me. My belief that it is one of the best, if not the best, came from many hours of hunting with a variety of different 30 calibers on a wide variety of game.

Having said all that, any and all of the ones mentioned in this thread are fine choices and I wish you all the best with the one that works for you.

I was a bit surprised when reading your thread that only Gerry, Charlie and Sean understood how well the H & H performs in the field, so it is possible that I, like the 300 H & H is simply out of step with the times

Aleena, I started out a very few years after the .300 WM came out wanting to make a choice on a heavier caliber than the 7mm Mag for elk hunting. So, I ended up in the late '60's buying two rifles, a Browning .338 WM and a late 1950's model Alaskan, .300 H&H Winchester Model 70. I had to sell and replace the Browning because it was one of the rust, salt wood guns. So I bought another Model 70 Alaskan, a .338 WM.

I used both of those Model 70 rifles until I woke up old one morning and retired, with life threatening illness in 2002. I sold them and felt positively undressed, so since then, I have lived with a .340 Weatherby and a 9.3x74R, both of which have served me well for shooting. I am not old, just mature and educated through experience on what constitutes a good medium bore rifle on game.

 

[Anonymous]

I have a friend in Anchorage with a very old and very well worn M70 in .300 H&H…simply the smoothest feeding rifle I've ever felt.

The only reason not to own one is simple logistics- rifles aren't easy to find in the modern market and neither is ammo. If neither of those issues bother you then it's a very good choice.

In my location the ammo would be impossible to find, so I gave it a pass.

 

[Osprey78]

Osprey,

The 180 grain TTSX is more than sufficient to drop elk when launched from a 300 WM. I dropped more than a few moose and several elk with the 180 grain TSX launched from a 300 WSM. None ever bounced back up.

Oh I know. There are a bunch of reloads waiting oh so patiently for that big 6 point to show his face... :lol:

 

[Africa Huntress]

Guy, Dr Mike, Hodgeman. Understood gentlemen. Good point.

Terry, that would be the one!

David, The 300 H & H and 30-06, just like the energizer bunny

Charlie. Like the 06 and H & H you are also like the energizer bunny. You have lived a very full life but have not given up. Any man that shoots a 340 Weatherby has my respect.

ajvigs. CZ has a 300 H & H in their Safari line up, BUT, it has a 24 inch barrel. I feel that the 300 H & H is at its best with a 26 inch barrel, which is why I mentioned the Ruger 1 earlier. It has a 26 inch barrel and is a nice rifle. However, my preference would be like the one Terry posted

 

[Oldtrader3]

CZ makes good rifles. I have a Model 527, .204 Ruger and a Model 453, .22LR. Both are quite accurate and are well made rifles. The .300 H&H seems more natural in a 26 inch barrel but I could live with a 24 inch if it was well made and accurate. Thanks Aleena, you do what you have to in order to live your life actively.

 

[sask boy]

Aleena , I completely forgot about the 300 H&H. My Godson is still looking for a Model 70 in that calibre he recently sold his 338 Laupa believing he had a line on a 300 H&H but still has not had any luck. I love the old trustworthy calibres with lots of history ! On the top of my list is 375 H&H and right below it is the 300 H&H.
Thank you for reminder!!

Blessings,
Dan

 

[Vince]

Ajvigs

Find one and chamber a couple of rounds. That may, all by itself, sell you on the 300 H & H. It is one of the most reliable and smoothest feeding rounds I have used. After we moved my wife wanted to get something besides her 30-06 and A suggested a build using a pre 64 model 70 with a 26 inch barrel. We then put our uncle to work, who is the reloading guru in the family and he has that gun shooting with the 300 win mag and just a hair behind the 300 Weatherby. But as has been mentioned, they are not as easy to find as a 300 WM, WSM, or WEA.

Vince, for what it is worth the loading manuals don't do it justice, but I understand what you are saying.

Terry, Nice!

I'm glad someone understands me and what I'm trying to say. :grin:

 

[remingtonman_25_06]

300 win mag. As many options as the 06 and smacks elk with authority versus poking holes through em.

heavier bullets thrown faster with better BCs theoretically allows one to maximize his range.

Really depends how far your wanting to kill things and if elk are on the menu.

 

[big rifle man]

The .300H&H was an excellent caliber in its heyday and for all intents and purposes still is. I find though, when I'm perusing the many gunshops I don't see much if any H&H ammo on the shelves or rifles on the racks chambered for them. We all have our favorite calibers whether having been introduced to them by a long time ago friends recommendation or maybe something more recent. Too be honest If I had a choice between the .300 H&H and say a .300WM or the WSM I would opt for the .300WSM. There are too many advantages both for reloading and the rifles built around the caliber. The ammunition for both the .300WM or WSM is readily available.

 

[truck driver]

I have two 30-06s and a 300Wby, I will admit I much prefer to shoot the 30-06 more than the Wby. Also I didn't buy the Wby I won it in a raffle. I don't mind recoil but I don't care for the muzzle blast of the 300Wby. I've worn one 30-06 barrel out on a 725 Remington which I bought slightly used. If I only had one choice of caliber rifle I could own it would be the 30-06 because it will do everything I want it to do, yes the 30 mags may do some things better but I have never felt under gunned with the 30-06.

 

[HOGWILD338-378]

http://www.gunsinternational.com/WINCHE ... =100422956

Not many to be found !

 

[alaska100]

Terry, nice one, your getting to be as bad as Scotty, finding things for other people to buy

 

[HOGWILD338-378]

Believe me it's hard not wanting to buy a rifle like this but it's about 2 times the price I could afford ! 6K would probably scope my 2 new rifles :shock: I enjoy making people happy 1 rifle at a time :lol:


This is the only Winchester I could afford right finger CRF :lol:

 

[ajvigs]

All,

I think I got this one figured out. I dont think I am going to pick up a magnum. I think I will be eventually picking up a 30-06, only with a 26" barrel. I think the longer barrel and using some slow burning powder will help bring it up to the magnum class without having an actual magnum? I think that makes sense based on a few things I have read...

Thoughts?

 

[Oldtrader3]

It will certainly get you closer and will kill elk.