MSch M1903 QL request

ElmerThud

ElmerThud

Handloader
Jul 16, 2011
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Hi folks, hopefully Scotty or Dr Mike ??
I need some Quickload help if you’d be kind enough.

M1903 6.5x54 Mannlicher Schoenauer
Hornady 160gn RN bullet, Propellants: H4895, IMR4350 & IMR4831
Primer: Fed Premium LR Match
Cartridge Length: 3.063”

Barrel is a new Krieger Match OAL 22” (Less than 100rds fired)
Please let me know if you need more info.
Here’s hoping lads, Cheers, George
 
Code: 
Cartridge          : 6.5 x 54 Mannl. Schoen.
Bullet             : .264, 160, Hornady RN 2640
Useable Case Capaci: 45.864 grain H2O = 2.978 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.063 inch = 77.80 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder             : Hodgdon H4895

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   72    30.60   2200    1720   39697   8559     99.6    1.473
-09.0   73    30.94   2220    1752   40753   8633     99.7    1.454
-08.0   74    31.28   2240    1783   41832   8704     99.8    1.436
-07.0   75    31.62   2260    1815   42936   8772     99.9    1.418
-06.0   76    31.96   2280    1847   44065   8838     99.9    1.401
-05.0   76    32.30   2300    1879   45219   8902    100.0    1.384  ! Near Maximum !
-04.0   77    32.64   2320    1912   46399   8962    100.0    1.367  ! Near Maximum !
-03.0   78    32.98   2339    1944   47606   9021    100.0    1.350  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0   79    33.32   2359    1976   48839   9078    100.0    1.334  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0   80    33.66   2378    2009   50101   9135    100.0    1.318  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0   80    34.00   2397    2041   51390   9191    100.0    1.303  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0   81    34.34   2416    2074   52709   9247    100.0    1.287  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0   82    34.68   2435    2107   54058   9303    100.0    1.272  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0   83    35.02   2454    2140   55437   9358    100.0    1.258  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0   84    35.36   2473    2173   56847   9413    100.0    1.243  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0   84    35.70   2492    2206   58289   9468    100.0    1.229  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba     80    34.00   2436    2108   55469   9034    100.0    1.260  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba     80    34.00   2349    1960   47298   9355     99.8    1.352  ! Near Maximum !
 
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Code: 
Cartridge          : 6.5 x 54 Mannl. Schoen.
Bullet             : .264, 160, Hornady RN 2640
Useable Case Capaci: 45.864 grain H2O = 2.978 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.063 inch = 77.80 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder             : IMR 4831

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   88    35.64   2225    1759   38597   9243     98.4    1.488
-09.0   89    36.04   2249    1796   39781   9333     98.6    1.466
-08.0   90    36.43   2272    1833   41000   9419     98.9    1.446
-07.0   91    36.83   2295    1871   42254   9502     99.1    1.425
-06.0   92    37.22   2318    1909   43546   9582     99.3    1.405
-05.0   93    37.62   2341    1947   44875   9658     99.4    1.385
-04.0   94    38.02   2364    1985   46244   9730     99.6    1.366  ! Near Maximum !
-03.0   95    38.41   2386    2023   47653   9799     99.7    1.347  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0   96    38.81   2409    2062   49104   9864     99.8    1.328  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0   97    39.20   2432    2101   50598   9925     99.9    1.310  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0   98    39.60   2454    2140   52137   9982    100.0    1.292  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0   99    40.00   2477    2179   53722  10035    100.0    1.274  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0  100    40.39   2499    2219   55355  10084    100.0    1.257  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0  101    40.79   2521    2258   57037  10131    100.0    1.240  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  102    41.18   2543    2298   58771  10177    100.0    1.223  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  103    41.58   2565    2338   60557  10223    100.0    1.207  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba     98    39.60   2506    2232   57278   9766    100.0    1.241  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba     98    39.60   2390    2030   47052  10101     99.0    1.350  ! Near Maximum !
 
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Code: 
Cartridge          : 6.5 x 54 Mannl. Schoen.
Bullet             : .264, 160, Hornady RN 2640
Useable Case Capaci: 45.864 grain H2O = 2.978 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.063 inch = 77.80 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder             : IMR 4350

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   84    35.28   2197    1715   39052   8953     95.1    1.463
-09.0   85    35.67   2220    1751   40190   9060     95.5    1.444
-08.0   86    36.06   2243    1787   41360   9165     95.9    1.424
-07.0   87    36.46   2265    1823   42562   9268     96.2    1.405
-06.0   88    36.85   2288    1860   43798   9368     96.6    1.386
-05.0   89    37.24   2311    1897   45069   9466     96.9    1.367  ! Near Maximum !
-04.0   89    37.63   2333    1934   46376   9562     97.2    1.349  ! Near Maximum !
-03.0   90    38.02   2356    1972   47719   9655     97.5    1.331  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0   91    38.42   2379    2010   49101   9746     97.8    1.313  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0   92    38.81   2401    2048   50521   9834     98.1    1.296  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0   93    39.20   2424    2087   51982   9920     98.3    1.279  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0   94    39.59   2446    2126   53485  10003     98.5    1.262  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0   95    39.98   2469    2165   55030  10083     98.8    1.246  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0   96    40.38   2491    2204   56621  10159     98.9    1.230  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0   97    40.77   2513    2244   58257  10233     99.1    1.214  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0   98    41.16   2536    2284   59941  10304     99.3    1.198  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba     93    39.20   2479    2183   56444   9884     99.6    1.234  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba     93    39.20   2360    1978   47572   9841     96.1    1.331  ! Near Maximum !
 
DrMike said:
Code: 
Cartridge          : 6.5 x 54 Mannl. Schoen.
Bullet             : .264, 160, Hornady RN 2640
Useable Case Capaci: 45.864 grain H2O = 2.978 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.063 inch = 77.80 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder             : IMR 4350

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   84    35.28   2197    1715   39052   8953     95.1    1.463
-09.0   85    35.67   2220    1751   40190   9060     95.5    1.444
-08.0   86    36.06   2243    1787   41360   9165     95.9    1.424
-07.0   87    36.46   2265    1823   42562   9268     96.2    1.405
-06.0   88    36.85   2288    1860   43798   9368     96.6    1.386
-05.0   89    37.24   2311    1897   45069   9466     96.9    1.367  ! Near Maximum !
-04.0   89    37.63   2333    1934   46376   9562     97.2    1.349  ! Near Maximum !
-03.0   90    38.02   2356    1972   47719   9655     97.5    1.331  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0   91    38.42   2379    2010   49101   9746     97.8    1.313  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0   92    38.81   2401    2048   50521   9834     98.1    1.296  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0   93    39.20   2424    2087   51982   9920     98.3    1.279  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0   94    39.59   2446    2126   53485  10003     98.5    1.262  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0   95    39.98   2469    2165   55030  10083     98.8    1.246  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0   96    40.38   2491    2204   56621  10159     98.9    1.230  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0   97    40.77   2513    2244   58257  10233     99.1    1.214  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0   98    41.16   2536    2284   59941  10304     99.3    1.198  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba     93    39.20   2479    2183   56444   9884     99.6    1.234  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba     93    39.20   2360    1978   47572   9841     96.1    1.331  ! Near Maximum !
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Many thanks Mike - Brilliant help, hopefully gonna take a red hind with this old girl on 19th Dec when I'll be in Scotland. Wishing you the very best. Cheers, George
 
SJB358 said:
Mike beat me to it, but danged if those don't all look like killers with that big 160 on top!

Great to hear from you ET!
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Wonderful to see you here Scotty, many thanks anyway. I'm hoping they will be killers - I'm sure they are, but haven't yet used it on reds in Scotland. I'm going north on 19th Dec & will I hope take a red hind. Very best to you & Mike of course.
 
ElmerThud said:
Wonderful to see you here Scotty, many thanks anyway. I'm hoping they will be killers - I'm sure they are, but haven't yet used it on reds in Scotland. I'm going north on 19th Dec & will I hope take a red hind. Very best to you & Mike of course.
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Good luck ET! Cannot wait to hear or see how you do up North on the hunt! Seems like that 6.5 has ran you through the wringer over the years!
 
SJB358 said:
Good luck ET! Cannot wait to hear or see how you do up North on the hunt! Seems like that 6.5 has ran you through the wringer over the years!
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To be honest Scotty, since it was re-barrelled with the new Krieger in 2019, I've hardly used it. My Blaser K95 was always my 'Go-to' for hunting & never failed me. I sold it a couple of months ago as my walking ability is gone now so I'm not hunting so much as 'Ambushing' whatever walks out, so I didn't see much point in keeping a $7,250 rifle in the safe. It wasn't so bad as I got damn near what I paid for the K95 new & now I'm retired & on a pension, the $$$ come in useful!
I still have 2 MSch 6.5x54 rifles & also my Swede Steyr Mannlicher Classic 6.5x55 so now they're getting some use so it's fine as all are pretty accurate.
Anyway my friend, hopefully you're doing fine & life is treating you kindly? It's great to hear from you. Both you & Mike were very helpful with load data... Tho' I'd lost the data you originally gave me when my computer gave up the ghost a couple of years ago. Anyway - all good now!
Over the last 3 years I've been visiting a friend in Colorado whom I met 'Online' when he'd bought a couple of MSch rifles & had an issue with one. Anyway we sorted the problem & all is well since.
Stay well & enjoy life - old age catches up eventually so make the most of it. Very best wishes from merry old England
 
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