Need 7x57 quickload for Sierra 160 SBTHP?
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DrMike
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Cartridge : 7 x 57 mm Mauser (SAAMI)
Bullet : .284, 160, Sierra HPBT 1925
Useable Case Capaci: 52.318 grain H2O = 3.397 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.071 inch = 78.00 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 60000 psi, or 413 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 112 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
7 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
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Alliant Reloder-26 107.4 55.7 3.61 2878 100.0 60000 12310 1.111 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 108.0 54.3 3.52 2842 98.8 60000 12259 1.113 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 60 97.8 49.5 3.21 2820 100.0 60000 10943 1.110 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 109.5 54.0 3.50 2820 95.7 60000 12297 1.113 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 70 104.0 53.4 3.46 2818 99.1 60000 11871 1.108 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 109.9 56.4 3.65 2810 94.0 60000 12297 1.117 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 109.9 53.6 3.47 2807 97.6 60000 11949 1.117 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15 109.9 53.6 3.47 2807 97.6 60000 11949 1.117 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 109.9 53.6 3.47 2807 97.6 60000 11949 1.117 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12 111.7 57.5 3.73 2803 96.4 60000 12069 1.107 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517 111.9 57.6 3.73 2802 96.3 60000 12080 1.107 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 96.8 49.0 3.17 2799 100.0 60000 10873 1.117 ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17 96.8 49.0 3.17 2799 100.0 60000 10873 1.117 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 107.6 53.3 3.45 2795 96.0 60000 11860 1.109 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR 112.0 53.4 3.46 2783 97.2 58415 11880 1.131 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP15 112.0 53.4 3.46 2783 97.2 58415 11880 1.131 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213 108.4 52.8 3.42 2779 95.8 60000 11720 1.109 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-23 112.0 52.8 3.42 2777 100.0 58199 10978 1.135 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum 109.1 57.3 3.71 2776 98.0 60000 11422 1.111 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-16 103.5 48.6 3.15 2775 100.0 60000 10740 1.128 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365 103.8 49.8 3.23 2773 100.0 60000 10387 1.130 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 62 100.3 50.7 3.29 2772 99.9 60000 10996 1.135 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 518 102.3 51.0 3.30 2767 99.1 60000 11187 1.125 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905 110.9 53.1 3.44 2765 95.6 60000 11495 1.121 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511 98.2 50.5 3.27 2764 99.3 60000 11123 1.126 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 101.5 50.5 3.27 2763 99.3 60000 11107 1.126 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 106.0 51.1 3.31 2760 97.5 60000 11319 1.121 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 95.8 48.9 3.17 2756 98.8 60000 11081 1.130 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 95.8 48.9 3.17 2756 98.8 60000 11081 1.130 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 105.2 50.5 3.27 2756 97.3 60000 11221 1.115 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 106.8 51.5 3.34 2753 97.4 60000 11233 1.121 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 2214 112.0 56.1 3.63 2752 95.6 59584 11527 1.113 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 101.0 48.2 3.12 2746 99.9 60000 10678 1.134 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 101.0 48.2 3.12 2746 99.9 60000 10675 1.134 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 98.0 48.3 3.13 2745 99.9 60000 10804 1.139 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 112.0 52.5 3.40 2744 95.2 56635 11683 1.138 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 100.3 48.4 3.14 2744 99.9 60000 10666 1.150 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation 112.0 55.1 3.57 2739 93.3 60000 11416 1.115 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 100.4 50.0 3.24 2734 97.2 60000 10985 1.123 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 103.7 50.0 3.24 2734 97.2 60000 10985 1.123 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4 103.7 50.0 3.24 2734 97.2 60000 10985 1.123 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 106.0 49.0 3.17 2730 100.0 60000 10458 1.142 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385 106.3 51.8 3.36 2728 98.3 60000 10874 1.140 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 111.3 52.2 3.38 2725 95.2 60000 11011 1.120 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC 107.0 52.2 3.38 2725 95.2 60000 11011 1.120 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25 112.0 53.7 3.48 2724 99.1 52559 11686 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100 109.9 53.0 3.43 2724 99.3 60000 10673 1.150 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation 101.2 49.6 3.21 2716 98.6 60000 10668 1.136 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 104.4 53.1 3.44 2713 97.2 60000 10721 1.125 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 103.7 48.4 3.14 2713 100.0 60000 9833 1.132 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165 111.8 53.3 3.46 2712 97.9 60000 10586 1.129 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070 100.3 47.8 3.10 2700 98.9 60000 10491 1.147 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904 104.3 49.6 3.21 2699 96.1 60000 10637 1.128 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 92.9 45.8 2.97 2699 99.8 60000 10253 1.147 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3 93.4 45.6 2.95 2696 100.0 60000 9882 1.157 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 93.4 45.6 2.95 2696 100.0 60000 9882 1.157 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903 95.5 45.6 2.95 2691 100.0 60000 9803 1.156 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4955 Enduron 107.9 50.6 3.28 2690 95.5 60000 10652 1.128 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355 95.5 45.1 2.92 2685 100.0 60000 9801 1.151 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160 111.3 51.5 3.34 2684 96.0 60000 10441 1.130 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065 99.0 46.7 3.03 2679 99.5 60000 10125 1.148 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7 97.7 46.3 3.00 2676 98.3 60000 10251 1.143 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907 97.7 46.3 3.00 2676 98.3 60000 10251 1.143 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 94.7 46.3 3.00 2675 98.3 60000 10244 1.143 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S361 103.1 53.0 3.43 2669 95.2 60000 10398 1.139 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 93.0 43.9 2.84 2658 100.0 60000 9244 1.179 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP30 112.0 54.0 3.50 2629 93.5 47325 11704 1.242
Norma MRP 2 112.0 54.0 3.50 2629 93.5 47325 11704 1.242
Lovex S071 112.0 51.1 3.31 2615 98.4 52220 10420 1.225 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N570 112.0 57.0 3.69 2605 85.7 46380 12112 1.250
IMR 7977 Enduron 111.9 53.4 3.46 2605 86.8 60000 9906 1.137 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2217 112.0 53.4 3.46 2578 92.5 48917 10873 1.220- Thread starter
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DrMike
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Man a'living! At this rate you're going to be singing an oratorio and doing an interpretive dance. Sorry I won't be here to watch. Maybe you could send a tape early so I could enjoy the performance. :shock:
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A bit ignorant on loads over "100 percent load ratio" so playing the Devil's Advocate here to learn a bit if I may.
Is it even POSSIBLE to get some of these in the case, especially maintaining a 3.071" OAL?
I didn't check the length of a Sierra 160 SBTHP but (of my interest) the Nosler 160gr PT is 1.27" in length (according to online info. None in hand yet). That said IIRC the Sierra BTHP is longer yet.
The 160gr PT loaded to 3.25" OAL in a 2.30" trim length case gives ample seating depth of .32". Even if loaded to neck bottom the OAL would be 3.14 ( 3.136 rounded up).
So a little curious how data would compare to the above with load ratios kept to say.......102% or whatever percentage is NOT compressed and a longer OAL. I cannot imagine wanting to seat either of these bullets down to SAAMI length.
For the record, the throat in my 700 Remington Classic is quite long. I've no worries of hitting the lands with bullets mentioned.
Of the data above, IMHO RL-17 would still be my pick considering the load ratios shown. I'd love to see if that holds for a longer OAL and (IMO) more readily filled load percentage ratios.
Feedback appreciated.
God Bless
Steve
Is it even POSSIBLE to get some of these in the case, especially maintaining a 3.071" OAL?
I didn't check the length of a Sierra 160 SBTHP but (of my interest) the Nosler 160gr PT is 1.27" in length (according to online info. None in hand yet). That said IIRC the Sierra BTHP is longer yet.
The 160gr PT loaded to 3.25" OAL in a 2.30" trim length case gives ample seating depth of .32". Even if loaded to neck bottom the OAL would be 3.14 ( 3.136 rounded up).
So a little curious how data would compare to the above with load ratios kept to say.......102% or whatever percentage is NOT compressed and a longer OAL. I cannot imagine wanting to seat either of these bullets down to SAAMI length.
For the record, the throat in my 700 Remington Classic is quite long. I've no worries of hitting the lands with bullets mentioned.
Of the data above, IMHO RL-17 would still be my pick considering the load ratios shown. I'd love to see if that holds for a longer OAL and (IMO) more readily filled load percentage ratios.
Feedback appreciated.
God Bless
Steve
DrMike
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With stick type propellants, you can fill the case to ~114%. This will be a compressed load, having excluded some of the empty space between the kernels. Ball powders, because there is less space between the individual kernels, will compress far less.
SJB358":w9k09kox said:
I'm in agreement. While not "needed" it does entice me, but RL-17 does as well (2799) without going considerably over fill percentage.
Wondering what the fill percentage of RL-26 would be with a longer OAL to compare is all.
Going from 17 to 26 didnt look like much of a gain, at least not enough IMO to make me rush out and buy RL-26.
Just my 2 cents
God Bless
"Of the data above, IMHO RL-17 would still be my pick considering the load ratios shown. I'd love to see if that holds for a longer OAL and (IMO) more readily filled load percentage ratios."
I've done a little with Re17 and the 150 gr. Nosler with interesting results. I've been wondering if I might work as well with a 160 gr. bullet and this looks like it will. Time to hike my sorry rear end to the loading bench.
Paul B.
I've done a little with Re17 and the 150 gr. Nosler with interesting results. I've been wondering if I might work as well with a 160 gr. bullet and this looks like it will. Time to hike my sorry rear end to the loading bench.
Paul B.
