Non- Mag big game rifle?

[jmad_81]

So I was organizing my new reloading room/man room last night when a very scary realization came over me... I only have three and a half boxes of fed 215M primmers left :shock:. Everywere that I buy primmers from is out and laughs at me when I ask them if they can get some more. This got me to thinking, every gun that I shoot big game with takes a Mag primmer. I have 2500 210 primmers for all my yote, and squirrel guns, but I don't have a non-mag gun that I would use to hunt anything bigger than deer.

I spent all night tossing and turning trying to figure this delima out, as I'm going to start building a 270 WSM here in a month or so. I have enough mag primmers that if I don't mess with my 338 WM or the 375 R for a summer I whould be ok to get the 270 WSM dialed and hunt for a season with it. Hopefully I can get some more 215s later. But what if I can't? What if I have to switch to a non-mag gun? I wouldn't know what to do with myself. I'm kinda leaning towards the 280 AI, pretty close to the 7 mag, and getting more popular by the day. I can't stand anything .308 cal so an 06 AI is out. Have always kind of been interested in the 6.5 relm...a 6.5-06 AI maybe? Looking for something for elk, deer, bear, and speed goats. Anybody have any more suggestions?

I'm really thinking that it won't come to this but for the fun of it lets just say it does, will, or might.

 

[SJB358]

Try the 338-06 or 35 Whelen. Both of those perform like magnums up to 400 yards or so, hit hard, make big holes and will use LR Primers with no issues. Any of the cases made off of the 30-06 will be hard to beat. Good luck with your project. I am just the opposite. I have all the magnum primers I can use, but I cannot get ahold of regular LR primers to save my life. Scotty

 

[JD338]

jmad_81

I have a 280 AI and my best loads and accuracy are with Federal GM215M mag primers.
The 338-06 and 35 Whelen would both be excellent choices using standard large rifle primers.

JD338

 

[jmad_81]

I have always wanted a 35 for some reason!

 

[FOTIS]

Use your 210 and send the 215M to me for my Wbies. Thanx! :lol:

 

[jmad_81]

Tell ya what POP, you send me a 35 Whelen and I'll box up the 350 215s that I have left and next day them to ya :wink:

 

[FOTIS]

Man you're a tough haggler!!!!!!

 

[Richracer1]

I agree with POP somewhat, use the 210s in your WSM. You can keep your 215s as I have plenty.

 

[Guest]

If you want a non-magnum heavy hitter, consider as well the CZ550 in 9.3x62. It should take standard primers, and you can get bullets that are great for deer on up. Get a .243Win for speed goats, though. You'd have to be close for that 9.3 to get them. A 250gr bullet moving about 2500fps is slow, but it will smack down whatever it hits.

 

[DrMike]

Your 270 WSM will work quite well with non-mag primers, provided you are burning non-ball powders and avoiding shooting in exceptionally cold weather. I use F210s and WLR in my WSMs and they work just fine.

Jim and POP are correct that either the 35 Whelan or the 338-06 will work very well on large game. These are excellent cartridges.

 

[nodak7mm]

The 338 Federal has my interest..

Rod

 

[Guy Miner]

There's a whole series of cartridges based on the .30-06, so if you can't stand the original take your pick of 'em from .25 - .35 and beyond...

I'm in favor of either the good old .30-06 or the .280 Rem for a general purpose round, but my doggone .25-06 is a dandy too. Maybe too light for what you propose?

I like the underlying concept here... buying a rifle to fit your on-hand supply of primers! :grin:

 

[SJB358]

I have a Remington M700 CDL in 35 Whelen. It is a great rifle, it packs well, shoots very accurately and it is a great elk/deer/bear round. So far it has taken a few whitetails, an elk, and a black bear for me. All of them except the whitetails expired on the spot. The whitetails ran a little distance. I use the 225gr TSX and it works well for large game. If I was to do it again, I would have used the AccuBond, but I have so many TSX's loaded right now, I probably won't load for that rifle for a few years. I am sure the 338-06 is just as awesome. It is really hard to beat the 35 - 338's. With a 225gr bullet at 2700+, it flys just about as flat as an 30-06 with a 180 and hits and penetrates with authority. The 35 Whelen is so close to the 338 Win Mag and hits with alot less recoil and a whole lot less powder. Scotty

 

[Antelope_Sniper]

Jmad, Powder selection greatly affects what primers you need. Stick powders are easier to ignite then ball powders. Fed 210's should work fine in the smaller magnums with H Stick powders. I'd try them with H4831, H4350 ect. In my .338 Win mag, I've found the Fed215's are just too hot. With H4350 and Fed215's it shoots 3" groups. With WMRP, it shoots 1/2".
Instinct tells me the fed 210 would work well with this combination as well.

 

[YoteSmoker]

I could be wrong, but I thought WMR primers are hotter than Fed215, with CCI 250 being colder than either.

 

[Antelope_Sniper]

Most sources list fed215's as the hottest primer avaliable to reloaders. I believe I've seen it in reference from federal. I also saw a similar reference from Remington where they admitted to using a primer hotter then the Fed215's in their factory RUM ammo. Experience with heavy charges of ball powder also seem to confirm this. 100gr of wc860 in a 7mm stw seems to light a lot better with a fed215 then it does with a WMRP.

 

[Big Squeeze]

So I was organizing my new reloading room/man room last night when a very scary realization came over me... I only have three and a half boxes of fed 215M primmers left :shock:. Everywere that I buy primmers from is out and laughs at me when I ask them if they can get some more. This got me to thinking, every gun that I shoot big game with takes a Mag primmer. I have 2500 210 primmers for all my yote, and squirrel guns, but I don't have a non-mag gun that I would use to hunt anything bigger than deer.

I spent all night tossing and turning trying to figure this delima out, as I'm going to start building a 270 WSM here in a month or so. I have enough mag primmers that if I don't mess with my 338 WM or the 375 R for a summer I whould be ok to get the 270 WSM dialed and hunt for a season with it. Hopefully I can get some more 215s later. But what if I can't? What if I have to switch to a non-mag gun? I wouldn't know what to do with myself. I'm kinda leaning towards the 280 AI, pretty close to the 7 mag, and getting more popular by the day. I can't stand anything .308 cal so an 06 AI is out. Have always kind of been interested in the 6.5 relm...a 6.5-06 AI maybe? Looking for something for elk, deer, bear, and speed goats. Anybody have any more suggestions?

I'm really thinking that it won't come to this but for the fun of it lets just say it does, will, or might.

.................You`re building a 270 WSM, already have a 338 WM and a 375 Ruger??

Well! The 270 WSM will certainly do anything on game that a 7mm will, so those two will overlap in capability to a very large degree. The 270 WSM will also overlap with any 6.5mm in the same way.

Since no 30`s are on your list and out of consideration, any 8mm would really be too close and overlap with your 338.

You could go to a 35 caliber, but that again would overlap with your 338 WM and 375 Ruger in capability (except minimum cal in Africa).

I say build your 270 WSM, keep using your other two, wait to see what happens with the primer situation, use alternative primers, and save your money in the process.

 

[jmad_81]

Well I've been wanting to try some 7828SSC in my 270 WSM. doesn't look to slow in the nosler book, and QL "says" it should be one of the better powders for the 270 WSM W/ 140 ABs. I guess I'll just have to see how it shoots.

I called my local gun shop today and they had some CCI and Win. mag primers but would only sell them if you bought other reloading components with them. I already have everything I need that they carry, and I really don't want to get bent over the counter either. I explained to the guy that I was a local and had been doing busines there for a long time and they still wouldn't sell me any primers... :evil: Thinking I need a new gun shop, but that is a different topic.

 

[Greg Nolan]

Different lists exist out there and most of them give a range of heat for each primer depending on the batch. Some show CCI 250 LRM to be the hottest in some batches but Fed. 215s are consistantly hotter than the average CCI 250. Only on the biggest cartriges with the slowest powders will it be a "HAVE TO HAVE" . Other than that it's just a matter of maybe working up your load again. Win. LRs are pretty hot for a non magnum primer and work good on my 300 Wby with IMR 4350. I tried the CCI 250 s and the WLRs and I saw no real difference in how and where they shot in it. The Wby. 378 family and Rem. RUM family etc. are the real LRM's realm. Even the big Nitro Express calibers were developed long before Wby. had Federal develop the 215 primers.
It's too bad it costs so much to ship primers due to the Hazzardous Material charge. I have a couple hundred I could share.
Good Hunting
Elkhunt :grin:

 

[Powerstroke]

jmad

I guess I'll be teh only one here to jump on the 6.5-06. The one wildcat that appears in a lot of reloading manuals.... and now that Nosler has put out the 140gr A-bond :shock: